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Tony VE6MVP
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:51 am Post subject:
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Folks
1988 Delta 88 Royale Brougham with the 3 series V6 motor. 4 speed
over drive transmission.
Now that cold weather has hit, 0 C or 32 F or colder, I have to drive
the car a block or two before it will shift from first to second.
It's quite sluggish for another block or two and then is just fine.
Any thoughts on this problem? My mechanic figures it needs a rebuild.
I'm a bit skeptical of that. Besides that's kinda expensive.
I did come across one posting for a similar car suggesting a stuck
governer. There's a governer inside the transmission? He sprayed 1/3
can of carb cleaner down the dipstick hole. Presumably he meant the
transmission dipstick hole.
Tony
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:31 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | I have to drive the car a block or two
before it will shift from first to second.
It's quite sluggish for another block or
two and then is just fine.
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It seems to indicate 'heavy'/dirty fluid. Has the transmission
fluid/filter been serviced in the last 50,000mi or so? What you are
saying is that once it warms up, everything works ok.
I don't know about spraying any type of cleaner into a dipstick tube, be
it the one for your engine oil or the transmission.
If it has been serviced properly, the Lucas brand of transmission
conditioners are very good. I'd sure try the Lucas product before
spending big $$ for a rebuild on an '88 vehicle......
JMO
Dave S(Texas) |
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hunkman
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:46 am Post subject:
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First thing to check is the fluid level. The transmission fluid is
normally checked when the engine is fully warmed to operating
temperature. It should show on the dipstick at the cross-hatched area
or equivalent for your car. If not, top it up it should work
properly. Also, check its color. If it is not bright red, you may
have trouble and a fluid flush and refill is in order. Failing these
things, it needs repair - it could be just a sensor, band but it could
also be worse. Let us know.
Tony VE6MVP <tony@REMOVEve6mvp.com> wrote in message news:<tgp9q09dej7evpt3p3b8942u5emckhfnar@4ax.com>...
| Quote: | Folks
1988 Delta 88 Royale Brougham with the 3 series V6 motor. 4 speed
over drive transmission.
Now that cold weather has hit, 0 C or 32 F or colder, I have to drive
the car a block or two before it will shift from first to second.
It's quite sluggish for another block or two and then is just fine.
Any thoughts on this problem? My mechanic figures it needs a rebuild.
I'm a bit skeptical of that. Besides that's kinda expensive.
I did come across one posting for a similar car suggesting a stuck
governer. There's a governer inside the transmission? He sprayed 1/3
can of carb cleaner down the dipstick hole. Presumably he meant the
transmission dipstick hole.
Tony |
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Tony VE6MVP
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:31:41 -0600, putt@webtv.net wrote:
| Quote: | I have to drive the car a block or two
before it will shift from first to second.
It's quite sluggish for another block or
two and then is just fine.
It seems to indicate 'heavy'/dirty fluid. Has the transmission
fluid/filter been serviced in the last 50,000mi or so?
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Transmission was just flushed a few days ago. I should've put that in
my email. Also it's a rebuilt with about 40K-50K kms on it.
| Quote: | I don't know about spraying any type of cleaner into a dipstick tube, be
it the one for your engine oil or the transmission.
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Agreed.
| Quote: | If it has been serviced properly, the Lucas brand of transmission
conditioners are very good. I'd sure try the Lucas product before
spending big $$ for a rebuild on an '88 vehicle......
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Ok, I'll poke about then for that brand.
Tony |
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Tony VE6MVP
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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On 24 Nov 2004 15:46:45 -0800, hunkman7@excite.com (hunkman) wrote:
| Quote: | First thing to check is the fluid level. The transmission fluid is
normally checked when the engine is fully warmed to operating
temperature. It should show on the dipstick at the cross-hatched area
or equivalent for your car. If not, top it up it should work
properly. Also, check its color. If it is not bright red, you may
have trouble and a fluid flush and refill is in order. Failing these
things, it needs repair - it could be just a sensor, band but it could
also be worse. Let us know.
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Sorry, I should've stated I just had it flushed due to this problem
Mechanic said the flud wasn't burnt or anything like that.
Tony |
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ulas cosar coskun
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:38 am Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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I had the same problem wiht my 3.0L 604 chrysler transmision at about
sub 20F. It did not shift to 3rd for about a day, and next day it
started to shift fine when the weather got warmer. I put a bottle
Trans-X (autozone or advance autopart stuff). What it does is, it just
expands the 0 rings. I stricly against spraying carb cleaner in
transmision since it will melt some gaskets. even it fixes some, it
will melt the others.
good luck. |
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Tony VE6MVP
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:39 am Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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On 25 Nov 2004 12:38:05 -0800, uccoskun@yahoo.com (ulas cosar coskun)
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| Quote: | I had the same problem wiht my 3.0L 604 chrysler transmision at about
sub 20F. It did not shift to 3rd for about a day, and next day it
started to shift fine when the weather got warmer. I put a bottle
Trans-X (autozone or advance autopart stuff). What it does is, it just
expands the 0 rings. I stricly against spraying carb cleaner in
transmision since it will melt some gaskets. even it fixes some, it
will melt the others.
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Well, no I wouldn't even think of putting any "cleaner" other than
stuff specifically for automatic transmissions.
Tony |
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Tony VE6MVP
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:49 am Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:51:49 GMT, Tony VE6MVP <tony@REMOVEve6mvp.com>
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| Quote: | Now that cold weather has hit, 0 C or 32 F or colder, I have to drive
the car a block or two before it will shift from first to second.
It's quite sluggish for another block or two and then is just fine.
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Additional information that I had forgotten. It's warmed up a bit so
another symptom is occurring.
Between 5 or 10 C and 0 C (or 45 F and 32 F) when starting off it's
very sluggish. The motor revs up fine but it's really slow
accelerating. Again a minute or so and this symptom goes away.
Tony |
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Terry Mosley
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:43 am Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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Has the fluid/filter ever been changed...sounds like your fluid is getting
thick.
A relatively small investment in a fluid and filter might just be the
ticket, especially if whats in it is the original.
T |
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Eightupman
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:43 am Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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If memory serves...there is a band adjustment on these trannies. I am going
to send you to a guy who I think will have the answer in the
alt.trucks.chevy newsgroup. Ping either "TransSurgeon" or "Doc" I have
been reading thier posts on that group for a year or so and they really know
thier stuff.....
"Tony VE6MVP" <tony@REMOVEve6mvp.com> wrote in message
news:tgp9q09dej7evpt3p3b8942u5emckhfnar@4ax.com...
| Quote: | Folks
1988 Delta 88 Royale Brougham with the 3 series V6 motor. 4 speed
over drive transmission.
Now that cold weather has hit, 0 C or 32 F or colder, I have to drive
the car a block or two before it will shift from first to second.
It's quite sluggish for another block or two and then is just fine.
Any thoughts on this problem? My mechanic figures it needs a rebuild.
I'm a bit skeptical of that. Besides that's kinda expensive.
I did come across one posting for a similar car suggesting a stuck
governer. There's a governer inside the transmission? He sprayed 1/3
can of carb cleaner down the dipstick hole. Presumably he meant the
transmission dipstick hole.
Tony |
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Tony VE6MVP
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:43 am Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:43:20 GMT, "Terry Mosley" <tmosley@woh.rr.com>
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| Quote: | Has the fluid/filter ever been changed...sounds like your fluid is getting
thick.
A relatively small investment in a fluid and filter might just be the
ticket, especially if whats in it is the original.
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I just had it flushed. Presumably they did the filter at the same
time. It's a rebuilt tranny with only 50K kms on it.
Tony |
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MisterSkippy
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:23 pm Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 02:50:32 GMT, Tony VE6MVP <tony@REMOVEve6mvp.com>
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| Quote: | On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:31:41 -0600, putt@webtv.net wrote:
I have to drive the car a block or two
before it will shift from first to second.
It's quite sluggish for another block or
two and then is just fine.
It seems to indicate 'heavy'/dirty fluid. Has the transmission
fluid/filter been serviced in the last 50,000mi or so?
Transmission was just flushed a few days ago. I should've put that in
my email. Also it's a rebuilt with about 40K-50K kms on it.
I don't know about spraying any type of cleaner into a dipstick tube, be
it the one for your engine oil or the transmission.
Agreed.
If it has been serviced properly, the Lucas brand of transmission
conditioners are very good. I'd sure try the Lucas product before
spending big $$ for a rebuild on an '88 vehicle......
Ok, I'll poke about then for that brand.
Tony
When it was flushed was the trans filter/screen changed? |
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MisterSkippy
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:28 am Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:48:53 GMT, Tony VE6MVP <tony@REMOVEve6mvp.com>
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| Quote: | On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:43:20 GMT, "Terry Mosley" <tmosley@woh.rr.com
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Has the fluid/filter ever been changed...sounds like your fluid is getting
thick.
A relatively small investment in a fluid and filter might just be the
ticket, especially if whats in it is the original.
I just had it flushed. Presumably they did the filter at the same
time. It's a rebuilt tranny with only 50K kms on it.
Tony
"Presumably" is the key word. Do you have a bill detailing the work |
done? The filter is a billable item and likely would have been noted.
Look underneath at the trans pan bolts. Do they look like they have
been off recently, as in looking clean?
On the Caddies, if the seals on the filter where it connects to the
pickup tube get hardened or shrink, it can suck a bit of air instead
of fluid when cold and the fluid is thicker. That can give the
symptoms you describe. I tried to find a post by someone I believe to
be a Caddy engineer explaining this, but can't locate it. Likely the
filter was replaced when the trans was rebuilt but who knows what
quality parts were used. I'd ask whoever flushed the trans if the
filter was changed. Then I'd drop the pan anyway to verify it was done
correctly and the retaining clips or bolts are in place. Lots cheaper
than going for a rebuild on the word of one individual.
FWIW
YMMV
DFB
Y
"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
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Sportster4Eva
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Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:25 am Post subject:
Re: Transmission doesn't shift when cold |
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Tony VE6MVP wrote:
| Quote: | Folks
1988 Delta 88 Royale Brougham with the 3 series V6 motor. 4 speed
over drive transmission.
Now that cold weather has hit, 0 C or 32 F or colder, I have to drive
the car a block or two before it will shift from first to second.
It's quite sluggish for another block or two and then is just fine.
Any thoughts on this problem? My mechanic figures it needs a rebuild.
I'm a bit skeptical of that. Besides that's kinda expensive.
I did come across one posting for a similar car suggesting a stuck
governer. There's a governer inside the transmission? He sprayed 1/3
can of carb cleaner down the dipstick hole. Presumably he meant the
transmission dipstick hole.
Tony
Don't spray ANYTHING into the dipstick tube.... |
I noticed in another part of this thread that you said the tranny is a
rebuilt. My bet is that the rebuilder over or under or improperly
torqued the valve body bolts when putting it back together, and now your
1-2 shift valve(s) are sticking. It may be presure related, or a but my
bet is valve body.
--
Paul
'91 XL1200
'89 White Pig
"I feel more like I do now than when I got here" |
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