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Austrodamous Jones
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:19 am Post subject:
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Are the Cobalt and Pontiac G6 Sister cars?
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GlassVial
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:28 am Post subject:
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An American car on Consumer Reports shitlist? Perish the thought by
the biased mother fuckers...I take everything CR says with a grain of
salt, especially when it comes to automobiles. My Chevy Lumina has
186k on it. My friend's 1991 Dodge Grand Caravan has 254k on it. My
other friend's 1984 Chevy Suburban has 450k on it. American cars not
reliable? My ass. FU Consumer Reports!
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Steve Mackie
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:57 am Post subject:
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"Austrodamous Jones" <ert@nern.com> wrote in message
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sdlomi2
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:40 am Post subject:
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"GlassVial" <glassvial@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Are the Cobalt and Pontiac G6 Sister cars?
An American car on Consumer Reports shitlist? Perish the thought by
the biased mother fuckers...I take everything CR says with a grain of
salt, especially when it comes to automobiles. My Chevy Lumina has
186k on it. My friend's 1991 Dodge Grand Caravan has 254k on it. My
other friend's 1984 Chevy Suburban has 450k on it. American cars not
reliable? My ass. FU Consumer Reports!
-GV
Ditto! In my business, I sold MANY of 2 of the 3 vehicles you |
mentioned. Not only were they good-profit units, they brought in friends of
the satisfied purchasers, who also received fantastic service and high
mileage. One older gentleman put over 1 million TOWING miles on his 454
Suburban and then sold it to a friend (who remained friends, so HE must've
received good service too!). The only complaint we EVER had on the many
Luminas was an ac condensation water leak common on a certain year--we
learned to take those to Chev. and have the problematic drain re-designed
before selling them.
We had nothing against the 3rd of your examples--just not enough room
for more units in our size operation.
*American cars not reliable* = my a$$ also! s |
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Scott
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
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"sdlomi2" <sdlomi2@spam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"GlassVial" <glassvial@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Are the Cobalt and Pontiac G6 Sister cars?
An American car on Consumer Reports shitlist? Perish the thought by
the biased mother fuckers...I take everything CR says with a grain of
salt, especially when it comes to automobiles. My Chevy Lumina has
186k on it. My friend's 1991 Dodge Grand Caravan has 254k on it. My
other friend's 1984 Chevy Suburban has 450k on it. American cars not
reliable? My ass. FU Consumer Reports!
-GV
Ditto! In my business, I sold MANY of 2 of the 3 vehicles you
mentioned. Not only were they good-profit units, they brought in friends
of the satisfied purchasers, who also received fantastic service and high
mileage. One older gentleman put over 1 million TOWING miles on his 454
Suburban and then sold it to a friend (who remained friends, so HE must've
received good service too!). The only complaint we EVER had on the many
Luminas was an ac condensation water leak common on a certain year--we
learned to take those to Chev. and have the problematic drain re-designed
before selling them.
We had nothing against the 3rd of your examples--just not enough room
for more units in our size operation.
*American cars not reliable* = my a$$ also! s
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Right!
I got American cars running that are 18 years old, 10 years old,
12 years old, three that are nearly new, hell you couldnt sell me a
damn foreign car.
Consumer Reports has been sucking Honda and Toyotas
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Austrodamous Jones
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:29 am Post subject:
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"GlassVial" <glassvial@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Are the Cobalt and Pontiac G6 Sister cars?
An American car on Consumer Reports shitlist? Perish the thought by
the biased mother fuckers...I take everything CR says with a grain of
salt, especially when it comes to automobiles. My Chevy Lumina has
186k on it. My friend's 1991 Dodge Grand Caravan has 254k on it. My
other friend's 1984 Chevy Suburban has 450k on it. American cars not
reliable? My ass. FU Consumer Reports!
-GV
Actually , I had always thought them to be biased also. |
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Chris
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:14 am Post subject:
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G6 uses the same platform as the Malibu (next size up from the Cobalt)
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Dennis Smith
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In article <hOxaf.5126$AS6.1034@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
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Are the Cobalt and Pontiac G6 Sister cars?
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No, but the Cobalt and Pontiac G4(not sold in the US) are.
I would ignore anything that Consumer Reports says because they have
clearly proven that they don't know what they are talking about time and
time again.
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Dennis Smith
-1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe-
-1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red-
-1984 Trans Am - 5.0 L - TH700R4 auto - Royal blue/silver aero-
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GRL
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:01 am Post subject:
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Pay attention, this is important and you seem to have missed the point. When
CR reports that a car has been unreliable, it's because people who own the
car have said it's unreliable in the annual surveys that CR sends out to its
subscribers. If they don't get enough responses to be statistically
significant, they report nothing. CR does not say a car is unreliable, the
car's owners say it and CR just reports it. Your argument is with the owners
of the car, not CR.
"GlassVial" <glassvial@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Are the Cobalt and Pontiac G6 Sister cars?
An American car on Consumer Reports shitlist? Perish the thought by
the biased mother fuckers...I take everything CR says with a grain of
salt, especially when it comes to automobiles. My Chevy Lumina has
186k on it. My friend's 1991 Dodge Grand Caravan has 254k on it. My
other friend's 1984 Chevy Suburban has 450k on it. American cars not
reliable? My ass. FU Consumer Reports!
-GV
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GRL
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:02 am Post subject:
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Like when?
Examples?
"Dennis Smith" <ps2guru@ReMoVyahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <hOxaf.5126$AS6.1034@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
ert@nern.com says...
Are the Cobalt and Pontiac G6 Sister cars?
No, but the Cobalt and Pontiac G4(not sold in the US) are.
I would ignore anything that Consumer Reports says because they have
clearly proven that they don't know what they are talking about time and
time again.
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Dennis Smith
-1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe-
-1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red-
-1984 Trans Am - 5.0 L - TH700R4 auto - Royal blue/silver aero-
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Repairman
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject:
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10 people respond, 8 say their car is bad so it gets a bad rating.
Brand loyal dunces never say anything bad about their Volvo, Saturn, Honda,
etc. . It's all normal service items.
CR is clueless, I service appliances and routinely see them recommend crap.
Then low and behold 2 yr. later they downgrade the item.
But I love them as the SUCKERS that read that rag and believe them buy that
garbage and I make money on them fixing that overpriced garbage.
"GRL" <GLitwinski@CHARTERMI.NET> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Pay attention, this is important and you seem to have missed the point.
When CR reports that a car has been unreliable, it's because people who
own the car have said it's unreliable in the annual surveys that CR sends
out to its subscribers. If they don't get enough responses to be
statistically significant, they report nothing. CR does not say a car is
unreliable, the car's owners say it and CR just reports it. Your argument
is with the owners of the car, not CR. |
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Mike Hunter
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:22 am Post subject:
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Years ago they rated the Dodge Omni as better than the Plymouth Horizon.
The only difference between them was the grill. They also listed the AMC
Alliance as a good buy, at one point. . ;)
mike hunt
"GRL" <GLitwinski@CHARTERMI.NET> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Like when?
Examples?
"Dennis Smith" <ps2guru@ReMoVyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dkinac$h34$1@news.doit.wisc.edu...
In article <hOxaf.5126$AS6.1034@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
ert@nern.com says...
Are the Cobalt and Pontiac G6 Sister cars?
No, but the Cobalt and Pontiac G4(not sold in the US) are.
I would ignore anything that Consumer Reports says because they have
clearly proven that they don't know what they are talking about time and
time again.
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Dennis Smith
-1971 Trans Am - 455 H.O. - M21 4speed - Cameo white/blue stripe-
-1973 Trans Am - 455 - TH400 auto - Buccaneer red-
-1984 Trans Am - 5.0 L - TH700R4 auto - Royal blue/silver aero-
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Mike Hunter
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:28 am Post subject:
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Their surveys say more about their subscribers than the vehicles they rate.
For one thing they simply compile a 'list' from best to worst. If it were
three vehicles one would be above average the other below average, among the
three, even if all three are good or bad vehicles. ;)
mike hunt
"GRL" <GLitwinski@CHARTERMI.NET> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Pay attention, this is important and you seem to have missed the point.
When CR reports that a car has been unreliable, it's because people who
own the car have said it's unreliable in the annual surveys that CR sends
out to its subscribers. If they don't get enough responses to be
statistically significant, they report nothing. CR does not say a car is
unreliable, the car's owners say it and CR just reports it. Your argument
is with the owners of the car, not CR.
"GlassVial" <glassvial@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ikalm15ql2n349kqbc7t9ebkcbf91ffvc8@4ax.com...
Are the Cobalt and Pontiac G6 Sister cars?
An American car on Consumer Reports shitlist? Perish the thought by
the biased mother fuckers...I take everything CR says with a grain of
salt, especially when it comes to automobiles. My Chevy Lumina has
186k on it. My friend's 1991 Dodge Grand Caravan has 254k on it. My
other friend's 1984 Chevy Suburban has 450k on it. American cars not
reliable? My ass. FU Consumer Reports!
-GV
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Jon Patrick
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:47 pm Post subject:
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | Their surveys say more about their subscribers than the vehicles they
rate. For one thing they simply compile a 'list' from best to worst.
If it were three vehicles one would be above average the other below
average, among the three, even if all three are good or bad vehicles.
;)
So, what's your point. Every magazine that tries to 'rank' cars does so |
from their perspective, and there is a better-->worse listing for great
cars and for crap. That argument has nothing to do with CR. Further, they
test a pretty broad cross-section, so their reviews have good points as to
how some manufacturers are making their cars just a bit better than others.
IF, however, you're talking about their reliability rankings, you're still
wrong. CR doesn't create these lists, per se, the subscribers answer a
questionaire and CR reports.
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Mike Hunter
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:03 am Post subject:
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The point is statistically their ratings or meaningless to a buyer. The
fact is they don't list which are great cars and which car is crap. The
list them as one compared to another, in the opinion of their few thousand
subscribers who bought ONE of the 18,000,000 sold annually in the US. The
fact is what they are really telling you is ALL manufacture make some that
are not up to snuff. Statically the 'bad' ones are equal to around 2% of
all the vehicles a given manufacture sells. The odds of getting one of
their 'good' ones is 98% no matter how many the manufacture sell in total.
Any buyer therefore has a 98% chance of getting one of ANY manufactures good
ones. Betting the ONE particular vehicle you buy will not be one of the 2%,
based on someone opinion of which one will be the less likely to leave you
with one of the 2%, is therefore foolish at best.
mike
"Jon Patrick" <jonrpatrick@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in
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Their surveys say more about their subscribers than the vehicles they
rate. For one thing they simply compile a 'list' from best to worst.
If it were three vehicles one would be above average the other below
average, among the three, even if all three are good or bad vehicles.
;)
So, what's your point. Every magazine that tries to 'rank' cars does so
from their perspective, and there is a better-->worse listing for great
cars and for crap. That argument has nothing to do with CR. Further,
they
test a pretty broad cross-section, so their reviews have good points as to
how some manufacturers are making their cars just a bit better than
others.
IF, however, you're talking about their reliability rankings, you're still
wrong. CR doesn't create these lists, per se, the subscribers answer a
questionaire and CR reports.
J |
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