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Dan J.S.
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject:
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http://www.autosafety.org/casresults.php?find=toyota&x=0&y=0
Do a search for "Ford" = 278 results
Do a search for "Toyota" = 73 results
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At least 20 law enforcement officers have been killed in fiery collisions
involving Ford's Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, due to an inadequate
fuel system. The civilian platform of these vehicles includes the Ford
Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Car, all with the
same faulty fuel system. Ford has fixed the police vehicles, but refuses to
recall the civilian cars.
With 12 safety recalls to date and 7 defect investigations, the Ford Focus
proved to be an embarrassment to Ford Motor Company and its President
William Clay Ford, who was trying to stress quality in the wake of the Ford
Explorer/Firestone ATX, Wilderness AT tire debacle. Not since General Motors
introduced its ill-fated X-car in 1980 (Buick Skylark, Chevrolet Citation,
Oldsmobile Omega and Pontiac Phoenix) which had 13 recalls in its first two
years has a manufacturer had so many recalls. Among the Focus recalls are
351,000 2000 models whose roof pillars can cause head injuries in crashes
and 203,700 2000 models whose left rear wheel falls off.
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Mike Hunter
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:48 pm Post subject:
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More old news. The Focus has been on every list of best buys since 2001.
The fire thing was the shark lawyers way of trying to get around workmens
compensation laws, but they lost that angle when the CV was exonerated by
the NHTSA investigation several years ago. One my youngens is a Corporal in
the PA state police and says troopers prefer the CV
over any other police car.
mike hunt
"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | http://www.autosafety.org/casresults.php?find=toyota&x=0&y=0
Do a search for "Ford" = 278 results
Do a search for "Toyota" = 73 results
Quote:
At least 20 law enforcement officers have been killed in fiery collisions
involving Ford's Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, due to an inadequate
fuel system. The civilian platform of these vehicles includes the Ford
Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Car, all with the
same faulty fuel system. Ford has fixed the police vehicles, but refuses
to recall the civilian cars.
With 12 safety recalls to date and 7 defect investigations, the Ford Focus
proved to be an embarrassment to Ford Motor Company and its President
William Clay Ford, who was trying to stress quality in the wake of the
Ford Explorer/Firestone ATX, Wilderness AT tire debacle. Not since General
Motors introduced its ill-fated X-car in 1980 (Buick Skylark, Chevrolet
Citation, Oldsmobile Omega and Pontiac Phoenix) which had 13 recalls in
its first two years has a manufacturer had so many recalls. Among the
Focus recalls are 351,000 2000 models whose roof pillars can cause head
injuries in crashes and 203,700 2000 models whose left rear wheel falls
off.
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Dan J.S.
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:54 pm Post subject:
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | More old news. The Focus has been on every list of best buys since 2001.
The fire thing was the shark lawyers way of trying to get around workmens
compensation laws, but they lost that angle when the CV was exonerated by
the NHTSA investigation several years ago. One my youngens is a Corporal
in the PA state police and says troopers prefer the CV
over any other police car.
mike hunt
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I know, because its the only rear wheel drive large sedan(GM exited the
market years back). This issue was corrected, so no doubt they prefer it
now.
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Bruce L. Bergman
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:13 am Post subject:
Re: Ford vs. Toyota safety |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:38:14 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
| Quote: | http://www.autosafety.org/casresults.php?find=toyota&x=0&y=0
Do a search for "Ford" = 278 results
Do a search for "Toyota" = 73 results
Quote:
At least 20 law enforcement officers have been killed in fiery collisions
involving Ford's Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, due to an inadequate
fuel system. The civilian platform of these vehicles includes the Ford
Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Car, all with the
same faulty fuel system. Ford has fixed the police vehicles, but refuses to
recall the civilian cars.
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This one is a bit over-hyped - many of these flaming police Crown
Vic's were parked on the shoulder of a freeway and got rear-ended by a
car doing 55 to 80, or more, usually piloted by a drunk driver that
was "hypnotized" and heading toward the blinking lights...
For the average citizen it would be a case of Wrong Place, Wrong
Time - but the officers are paid to be there at that time.
There are some things you can't design for. Short of installing
full-on racing style Fuel Cells in each car, there's little you can do
when they get smacked in the back THAT hard. You would also have to
build the cars with racing bucket seats, 5-point harnesses and a fully
integrated roll cage, too - if the fuel fire didn't kill them, the
collision forces would.
--<< Bruce >>--
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Mirabilis
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:12 am Post subject:
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Bruce L Bergman <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:38:14 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
http://www.autosafety.org/casresults.php?find=toyota&x=0&y=0
Do a search for "Ford" = 278 results
Do a search for "Toyota" = 73 results
Quote:
At least 20 law enforcement officers have been killed in fiery collisions
involving Ford's Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, due to an inadequate
fuel system. The civilian platform of these vehicles includes the Ford
Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Car, all with the
same faulty fuel system. Ford has fixed the police vehicles, but refuses to
recall the civilian cars.
This one is a bit over-hyped - many of these flaming police Crown
Vic's were parked on the shoulder of a freeway and got rear-ended by a
car doing 55 to 80, or more, usually piloted by a drunk driver that
was "hypnotized" and heading toward the blinking lights...
For the average citizen it would be a case of Wrong Place, Wrong
Time - but the officers are paid to be there at that time.
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You'd be surprised. I got hit nearly like this when I was at the back
of a slowdown on the freeway. Stopped, and waiting for traffic
to resume, I was hit when the next guy behind me didn't
notice all the cars with the brakelights on, stopped on the road.
I got a glancing blow, not a full rear-ender, but it was close.
I've always suspected he was on his cell, but have no proof
other than he spent most of his time at the scene and at
the police station answering it and yakking away. |
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Mike Hunter
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:04 am Post subject:
Re: Ford vs. Toyota safety |
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Talk to any highway patrol cop and see for yourself which they prefer for
high speed pursuit. The PA State Police do
not allow their FWD cars to be used for patrol work, to dangerous. When
Ford tested CV for the NHTSA, against the two other police models from GM
and Chrysler, under the same controlled 50 mph crash tests the other two
were completely destroyed. When the parked CV was hit the striking vehicle
went in as far as the back seat. When the Chevy was hit at 50 mph the
vehicle went in into the front seat. When the Dodge was hit the vehicle
went completely through and over the car! Do some research of the NHTSA
site of its investigation into CV fires before you make anymore foolish
comments WBMA ;)
mike
"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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More old news. The Focus has been on every list of best buys since 2001.
The fire thing was the shark lawyers way of trying to get around workmens
compensation laws, but they lost that angle when the CV was exonerated by
the NHTSA investigation several years ago. One my youngens is a Corporal
in the PA state police and says troopers prefer the CV
over any other police car.
mike hunt
I know, because its the only rear wheel drive large sedan(GM exited the
market years back). This issue was corrected, so no doubt they prefer it
now.
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FanJet
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:09 am Post subject:
Re: Ford vs. Toyota safety |
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Mike Hunter wrote:
| Quote: | Talk to any highway patrol cop and see for yourself which they prefer
for high speed pursuit. The PA State Police do
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Fortunately, for those of us forced to share the highway with these pretend
racecar drivers, high speed pursuits are a no-no for more and more
officers. |
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Mike Hunter
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject:
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If your home is ever robbed, and some nuts kills one of you kids, when you
call the cops don't forget to remind them you don't want them chasing him
down the highway if they see him LOL
mike
"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Mike Hunter wrote:
Talk to any highway patrol cop and see for yourself which they prefer
for high speed pursuit. The PA State Police do
Fortunately, for those of us forced to share the highway with these
pretend racecar drivers, high speed pursuits are a no-no for more and
more officers.
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.dbu.
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Ford vs. Toyota safety |
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In article <x7ydnbeXCqpiHx3eUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If your home is ever robbed, and some nuts kills one of you kids, when you
call the cops don't forget to remind them you don't want them chasing him
down the highway if they see him LOL
mike
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they use fords because ford has packages, options and rear wheel drive.
Toyota is not interested in making squad cars. It's a niche market.
Remember when Mopar had the police market tied up back in the sixties?
Their 440 cid would and could outrun a ford in a heartbeat.
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"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Mike Hunter wrote:
Talk to any highway patrol cop and see for yourself which they prefer
for high speed pursuit. The PA State Police do
Fortunately, for those of us forced to share the highway with these
pretend racecar drivers, high speed pursuits are a no-no for more and
more officers.
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Mike Hunter
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:56 am Post subject:
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GM and Chrysler offer squad cars but buyers that need vehicles than handle
well, like patrol cars, will continue to buy RWD vehicles.
mike
".dbu." <foolishlefties@Zapem.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <x7ydnbeXCqpiHx3eUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
If your home is ever robbed, and some nuts kills one of you kids, when
you
call the cops don't forget to remind them you don't want them chasing him
down the highway if they see him LOL
mike
they use fords because ford has packages, options and rear wheel drive.
Toyota is not interested in making squad cars. It's a niche market.
Remember when Mopar had the police market tied up back in the sixties?
Their 440 cid would and could outrun a ford in a heartbeat.
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.dbu.
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:48 am Post subject:
Re: Ford vs. Toyota safety |
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In article <dumdnSyRMp5XWx3eUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
| Quote: | GM and Chrysler offer squad cars but buyers that need vehicles than handle
well, like patrol cars, will continue to buy RWD vehicles.
mike
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Yup, the rear wheel drives are still better balanced weight wise and
handling is more stable. The FWDs are hard to control on ice once the
rear end breaks. It gets real interesting.
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".dbu." <foolishlefties@Zapem.com> wrote in message
news:foolishlefties-9CEC6D.09073720112005@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com...
In article <x7ydnbeXCqpiHx3eUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
If your home is ever robbed, and some nuts kills one of you kids, when
you
call the cops don't forget to remind them you don't want them chasing him
down the highway if they see him LOL
mike
they use fords because ford has packages, options and rear wheel drive.
Toyota is not interested in making squad cars. It's a niche market.
Remember when Mopar had the police market tied up back in the sixties?
Their 440 cid would and could outrun a ford in a heartbeat.
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FanJet
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
Re: Ford vs. Toyota safety |
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Mike Hunter wrote:
| Quote: | If your home is ever robbed, and some nuts kills one of you kids,
when you call the cops don't forget to remind them you don't want
them chasing him down the highway if they see him LOL
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This is purely cop talk and almost never true. If they spent some time on
their feet patrolling the neighborhood, odds are my hypothetical robbery
wouldn't have taken place to begin with. |
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Mike Hunter
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:39 am Post subject:
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That may be fine some folks live but obviously for some of us our next door
neighbor lives miles away. LOL
mike
"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Mike Hunter wrote:
If your home is ever robbed, and some nuts kills one of you kids,
when you call the cops don't forget to remind them you don't want
them chasing him down the highway if they see him LOL
This is purely cop talk and almost never true. If they spent some time on
their feet patrolling the neighborhood, odds are my hypothetical robbery
wouldn't have taken place to begin with.
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Mike Hunter
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:48 am Post subject:
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On wet roads as well. The PSP banned FWD cars from patrol work years ago,
after several troopers were killed in FWD cars. The feds gave them FWD cars
to enforce the federal speed limit on the Interstate highways under the '55
Alive' program. The few unmarked FWD cars they do have today are only used
by detectives and those troopers on administrative duty. They won't even
pull over speeders, who may run, they radio to troopers in the area on
patrol.
mike
".dbu." <foolishlefties@Zapem.com> wrote in message
news:foolishlefties-319E0B.13481520112005@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com...
| Quote: | In article <dumdnSyRMp5XWx3eUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
GM and Chrysler offer squad cars but buyers that need vehicles than
handle
well, like patrol cars, will continue to buy RWD vehicles.
mike
Yup, the rear wheel drives are still better balanced weight wise and
handling is more stable. The FWDs are hard to control on ice once the
rear end breaks. It gets real interesting.
".dbu." <foolishlefties@Zapem.com> wrote in message
news:foolishlefties-9CEC6D.09073720112005@news-rdr-01.rdc-kc.rr.com...
In article <x7ydnbeXCqpiHx3eUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
If your home is ever robbed, and some nuts kills one of you kids, when
you
call the cops don't forget to remind them you don't want them chasing
him
down the highway if they see him LOL
mike
they use fords because ford has packages, options and rear wheel drive.
Toyota is not interested in making squad cars. It's a niche market.
Remember when Mopar had the police market tied up back in the sixties?
Their 440 cid would and could outrun a ford in a heartbeat.
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.dbu.
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:48 am Post subject:
Re: Ford vs. Toyota safety |
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| Quote: | This is purely cop talk and almost never true. If they spent some time on
their feet patrolling the neighborhood, odds are my hypothetical robbery
wouldn't have taken place to begin with.
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A patrol officer can cover much more area and respond faster if in a
vehicle. Motorized patrols are much more effective than foot patrols,
in general. Ask any chief of any major metro PD. Having said that, if
there is a specific localized problem area, it could benefit from foot
patrol. A smart Chief will utilize both, upon a scrutiny of data to
support either one in a given situation.
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