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Graham
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:55 am Post subject:
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Two years ago, the then nearly five year-old belts on my E36
would be pretty noisy on cold mornings, for a few minutes. The belts
still looked pretty good, but I replaced them with new ones 1½ years
ago. Last winter, no noise on cold mornings, but this year, the noise
is back. These belts are only 18 months old and have probably only
about 15K miles on them. These things shouldn't be whining already
should they? They still look practically brand new.
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Graham
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Tony
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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If you used belts from the local car parts store then you will have these
problems. I have heard that the belt cross section on European belts are a bit
different from ours and the difference causes these problems.
I am basing this on what I hear often on the Audiworld forms.
They recommend buying from your friendly audi stealer.
Tony
Graham wrote:
| Quote: | Two years ago, the then nearly five year-old belts on my E36
would be pretty noisy on cold mornings, for a few minutes. The belts
still looked pretty good, but I replaced them with new ones 1½ years
ago. Last winter, no noise on cold mornings, but this year, the noise
is back. These belts are only 18 months old and have probably only
about 15K miles on them. These things shouldn't be whining already
should they? They still look practically brand new.
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Graham |
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Dave Plowman (News)
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
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In article <41b02abf.59064765@news.mts.net>,
<cselby@mts.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I recommend you readjust the belt tension. They stretch reguardless
of who made them or what engine they're on.
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Isn't this automatic? It is on my older E39.
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*Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco *
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject:
Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time |
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I recommend you readjust the belt tension. They stretch reguardless
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Refinish_King1
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:03 pm Post subject:
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This might due to:
An idler pulley or a water pump bearing's grease drying up. I've found the
same problem on many cars, and localized it to the idler pulley in most
cases but, the water pump in some cases.
The new belt just ran the bearing at a higher pre-load and got the grease
moving a bit.
I hope this helps?
Refinish King
"Tony" <tonyjnospam@nospamvisi.com> wrote in message
news:41afd8d8$0$85089$a1866201@visi.com...
| Quote: | If you used belts from the local car parts store then you will have these
problems. I have heard that the belt cross section on European belts are a
bit different from ours and the difference causes these problems.
I am basing this on what I hear often on the Audiworld forms.
They recommend buying from your friendly audi stealer.
Tony
Graham wrote:
Two years ago, the then nearly five year-old belts on my E36
would be pretty noisy on cold mornings, for a few minutes. The belts
still looked pretty good, but I replaced them with new ones 1½ years
ago. Last winter, no noise on cold mornings, but this year, the noise
is back. These belts are only 18 months old and have probably only
about 15K miles on them. These things shouldn't be whining already
should they? They still look practically brand new.
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Graham |
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Graham
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:28 pm Post subject:
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cselby@mts.net wrote in message news:<41b02abf.59064765@news.mts.net>...
| Quote: | I recommend you readjust the belt tension. They stretch reguardless
of who made them or what engine they're on.
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The car has belt tensioners.
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Graham |
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Fred W
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:55 pm Post subject:
Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time |
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cselby@mts.net wrote:
| Quote: | I recommend you readjust the belt tension. They stretch reguardless
of who made them or what engine they're on.
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There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
steering belt and also the AC belt.
I have seen one where the mechanical tensioner developed a "set" (a
detent) from engine vibration while sitting in the same place all the
time.
This made it hang up so that it would not apply the correct tension once
it reached the detent. Replacing the belt would temporarily alieve the
problem until the new belt stretched to the same length as the old one
and the tensioner reached the detent.
I'm betting that this is what is wrong with yours. To check it you can
remove the belt and exercise the tensioner throughout its full range of
motion. It should be smooth, with no detents, hangs or bumps. If not
fully smooth, replace it (they aren't that expensive) and you should be
able to put back the current belt. It should be fine.
Belts should not make any noise even as they become worn. They should
just get to the point where they noiselessly fall apart. That's why we
replace them prophylactically. Belt squeel would indicate either a
tensioning problem or possibly that one of the driven devices is binding.
-Fred W |
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Matt O'Toole
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject:
Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time |
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Graham wrote:
| Quote: | Two years ago, the then nearly five year-old belts on my E36
would be pretty noisy on cold mornings, for a few minutes. The belts
still looked pretty good, but I replaced them with new ones 1½ years
ago. Last winter, no noise on cold mornings, but this year, the noise
is back. These belts are only 18 months old and have probably only
about 15K miles on them. These things shouldn't be whining already
should they? They still look practically brand new.
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Check your alternator mounting bushings. They've probably deteriorated by now.
You'll keep chasing loose belts until you replace them.
If you do it yourself, the polyurethane replacements are far easier to press in,
and work just as well as the rubber.
Matt O. |
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Bob G.
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:22 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:09:13 -0600, Tony <tonyjnospam@nospamvisi.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | If you used belts from the local car parts store then you will have these
problems. I have heard that the belt cross section on European belts are a bit
different from ours and the difference causes these problems.
I am basing this on what I hear often on the Audiworld forms.
They recommend buying from your friendly audi stealer.
Tony
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I sure agree with your use of the term STEALER...
I have not owned an Audi in over 10 years and in fact did not even
know what kind of car the OP had when he mentioned his E36\....
But the price Audi wanted for a set of belts for my car was 5 times
what the local auto parts store wanted...
The car (an 85) was honestly a great car...too damn slow...but it
lasted over 300,000 miles before the trany went south...
Bob Griffiths |
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Refinish_King1
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:46 pm Post subject:
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The belt tensioners have bearings in them:
I'd advise to take the belt off at night, then spin the tensioners, water
pump, A/C pulley and water pump in the morning when it's cold. That will
isolate the noisy component.
I hope this helps?
Refinish King
"Graham" <graham_the_cracker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | cselby@mts.net wrote in message news:<41b02abf.59064765@news.mts.net>...
I recommend you readjust the belt tension. They stretch reguardless
of who made them or what engine they're on.
The car has belt tensioners.
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Graham |
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Ted Johnson
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Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:57 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
steering belt and also the AC belt.
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How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
Thanks in advance.
-Ted |
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Fred W
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:04 am Post subject:
Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time |
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Ted Johnson wrote:
| Quote: | There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
steering belt and also the AC belt.
How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
Thanks in advance.
-Ted
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Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
-Fred W |
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Juhan Leemet
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:19 pm Post subject:
Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time |
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On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
| Quote: | Ted Johnson wrote:
There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
steering belt and also the AC belt.
How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
Thanks in advance.
-Ted
Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
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Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
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Juhan Leemet
Logicognosis, Inc. |
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Fred W
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Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:03 pm Post subject:
Re: Noisy in cold weather for short time |
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Juhan Leemet wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:04:10 -0500, Fred W wrote:
Ted Johnson wrote:
There is no belt tension "adjustment" on BMW E36 engines. There are
automatic belt tensioners for both the Alternator-Waterpump-Power
steering belt and also the AC belt.
How do these automatic belt tensioners know how much tension to apply?
Is there a spring? If so, isn't it possible for it to fatigue?
Thanks in advance.
-Ted
Yes, spring tension. There are two types. One that has a little
mini-shock absorber looking spring assembly and one that has a torsion
type spring assembly. You'd have to look up your car to see whaich you
have. And yes, either way it is possible for them to go bad.
Dunno about BMW. FWIW, on the Alfa 2000 GTV I had back in the 70s, there
was an oil pressure operated chain tensioner. I think there was also some
kind of ratchet arrangement to keep the tension, once it had been adjusted.
We were talking about the drive belt tensioners, not the timing |
belts/chain tensioners.
-Fred W |
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