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"Well, folks, let's allow our real undoctored American history lesson
to unfold further. If our schools and the media have twisted the
historical record when it comes to Columbus, they have obliterated the
contributions of America's earliest permanent settlers, the Pilgrims.
Why? Because they were a people inspired by profound religious beliefs
to overcome incredible odds. Today, public schools are simply not
teaching how important the religious dimension was in shaping our
history and our nation's character. Whether teachers are just
uncomfortable with this material or whether there's been a concerted
effort to cover up the truth, the results are the same. Kids are no
longer learning enough to understand and appreciate how and why
America was created.
"The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth
century (that's the 1600s for those of you in Rio Linda, California).
The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and
everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual
authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who
believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned,
and sometimes executed for their beliefs. A group of separatists first
fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about
forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World,
where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship
God according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1,
1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers,
including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey,
Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and
equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their
religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the
Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible.
"The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the
Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for
their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in
Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But
this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was
a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in
November, they found, according to Bradford's detailed journal, a
cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet
them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no
inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had
made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the
Pilgrims – including Bradford's own wife – died of either starvation,
sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the
settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.
Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper!
"This is important to understand because this is where modern American
history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some
textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the
Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of
gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New
Testaments. Here is the part that has been omitted: The original
contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in
London called for everything they produced to go into a common store,
and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All
of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the
community as well. Bradford, who had become the new governor of the
colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and
destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had
taken so many lives.
"He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to
each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the
marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the
Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be
described as socialism. And what happened? It didn't work! Surprise,
surprise, huh? What Bradford and his community found was that the most
creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder
than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal
motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been
experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years – trying to
refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it – the Pilgrims decided early
on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social
experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson If it were,
we might prevent much needless suffering in the future."
Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr.
From his book 'See I Told You So'
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Scott in Florida
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Want some info on revisionist whackos assaulting our
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:33:38 -0800, Eric Dreher <ericd@cox.nét> wrote:
That really is hard to believe....
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:46:34 GMT, Scott in Florida
<NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote:
There is no bottom to their pit.
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:33:38 -0800, Eric Dreher wrote:
I heard this on Glenn Beck Wednesday morning. |
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Charles Fregeau
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Actually there is a bottom to their pit, it's at the end of the Book of
Revelations. We're a long way from that yet. Things will only get worse
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:23:28 -0600, "Charles Fregeau"
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| Quote: | There is no bottom to their pit.
Actually there is a bottom to their pit, it's at the end of the Book of
Revelations. We're a long way from that yet. Things will only get worse
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True, with some revisionists even trying to change that. Hence the
warning contained therein.
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There is a more complete version at www.rushlimbaugh.com
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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"Well, folks, let's allow our real undoctored American history lesson
to unfold further. If our schools and the media have twisted the
historical record when it comes to Columbus, they have obliterated the
contributions of America's earliest permanent settlers, the Pilgrims.
Why? Because they were a people inspired by profound religious beliefs
to overcome incredible odds. Today, public schools are simply not
teaching how important the religious dimension was in shaping our
history and our nation's character. Whether teachers are just
uncomfortable with this material or whether there's been a concerted
effort to cover up the truth, the results are the same. Kids are no
longer learning enough to understand and appreciate how and why
America was created.
"The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth
century (that's the 1600s for those of you in Rio Linda, California).
The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and
everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual
authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who
believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned,
and sometimes executed for their beliefs. A group of separatists first
fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about
forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World,
where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship
God according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1,
1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers,
including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey,
Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and
equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their
religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the
Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible.
"The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the
Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for
their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in
Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But
this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was
a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in
November, they found, according to Bradford's detailed journal, a
cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet
them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no
inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had
made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the
Pilgrims - including Bradford's own wife - died of either starvation,
sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the
settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.
Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper!
"This is important to understand because this is where modern American
history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some
textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the
Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of
gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New
Testaments. Here is the part that has been omitted: The original
contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in
London called for everything they produced to go into a common store,
and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All
of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the
community as well. Bradford, who had become the new governor of the
colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and
destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had
taken so many lives.
"He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to
each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the
marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the
Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be
described as socialism. And what happened? It didn't work! Surprise,
surprise, huh? What Bradford and his community found was that the most
creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder
than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal
motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been
experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years - trying to
refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it - the Pilgrims decided early
on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social
experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson If it were,
we might prevent much needless suffering in the future."
Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr.
From his book 'See I Told You So'
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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"Well, folks, let's allow our real undoctored American history lesson
to unfold further. If our schools and the media have twisted the
historical record when it comes to Columbus, they have obliterated the
contributions of America's earliest permanent settlers, the Pilgrims.
Why? Because they were a people inspired by profound religious beliefs
to overcome incredible odds. Today, public schools are simply not
teaching how important the religious dimension was in shaping our
history and our nation's character. Whether teachers are just
uncomfortable with this material or whether there's been a concerted
effort to cover up the truth, the results are the same. Kids are no
longer learning enough to understand and appreciate how and why
America was created.
"The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth
century (that's the 1600s for those of you in Rio Linda, California).
The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and
everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual
authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who
believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned,
and sometimes executed for their beliefs. A group of separatists first
fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about
forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World,
where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship
God according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1,
1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers,
including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey,
Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and
equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their
religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the
Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible.
"The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the
Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for
their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in
Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But
this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was
a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in
November, they found, according to Bradford's detailed journal, a
cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet
them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no
inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had
made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the
Pilgrims - including Bradford's own wife - died of either starvation,
sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the
settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.
Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper!
"This is important to understand because this is where modern American
history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some
textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the
Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of
gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New
Testaments. Here is the part that has been omitted: The original
contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in
London called for everything they produced to go into a common store,
and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All
of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the
community as well. Bradford, who had become the new governor of the
colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and
destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had
taken so many lives.
"He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to
each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the
marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the
Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be
described as socialism. And what happened? It didn't work! Surprise,
surprise, huh? What Bradford and his community found was that the most
creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder
than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal
motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been
experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years - trying to
refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it - the Pilgrims decided early
on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social
experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson If it were,
we might prevent much needless suffering in the future."
Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr.
From his book 'See I Told You So'
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Scott in Florida
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No thoughts of your own on this issue? I'm not surprised that one from your
school of thought would simply regurgitate the words of the hypocrite Rush
Limbaugh. Liberalism never works, huh? Do you even know what the word
means? Have you ever looked it up? Let me help you out.........
Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing
intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b
: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and
usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold
standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the
essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and
standing for the protection of political and civil liberties. -
Merraim-Webster dictionary.
lib·er·al·ism [ líbb?r? lìzz?m, líbbr? lìzz?m ]
noun
1. politics: progressive views: a belief in tolerance and gradual reform in
moral, religious, or political matters
2. politics: political theory stressing individualism: a political ideology
with its beginnings in western Europe that rejects authoritarian government
and defends freedom of speech, association, and religion, and the right to
own property
3. economics: free-market economics: an economic theory in favor of free
competition and minimal government regulation
4. christianity: Christian theological movement: a movement in modern
Protestantism stressing intellectual freedom and the moral content of
Christianity over the doctrines of traditional theology. -Encarta
Dictionary
lib.er.al.ism
Pronunciation: (lib'ur-u-liz"um, lib'ru-), [key]
-n.
1. the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.
2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the
individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of
political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted
development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of
individual rights and civil liberties. -Dictionary.com
Furthermore, the word liberalism comes from the word liberty, which we can
all agree is an idea that carries great value, and is the main premise that
our country is based on. Try checking out both sides of an issue sometime.
And check out Acts, chapter 2 and 4 for examples of socialism in the church. |
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In article <fxMpd.75$1z5.42@trnddc06>,
"Truckdude" <keepiton@theboard.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:ggvcq09h7er5gt8bboskrmm7ddvpq6v0kr@4ax.com...
"Well, folks, let's allow our real undoctored American history lesson
to unfold further. If our schools and the media have twisted the
historical record when it comes to Columbus, they have obliterated the
contributions of America's earliest permanent settlers, the Pilgrims.
Why? Because they were a people inspired by profound religious beliefs
to overcome incredible odds. Today, public schools are simply not
teaching how important the religious dimension was in shaping our
history and our nation's character. Whether teachers are just
uncomfortable with this material or whether there's been a concerted
effort to cover up the truth, the results are the same. Kids are no
longer learning enough to understand and appreciate how and why
America was created.
"The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth
century (that's the 1600s for those of you in Rio Linda, California).
The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and
everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual
authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who
believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned,
and sometimes executed for their beliefs. A group of separatists first
fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about
forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World,
where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship
God according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1,
1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers,
including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey,
Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and
equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their
religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the
Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible.
"The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the
Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for
their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in
Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But
this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was
a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in
November, they found, according to Bradford's detailed journal, a
cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet
them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no
inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had
made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the
Pilgrims - including Bradford's own wife - died of either starvation,
sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the
settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.
Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper!
"This is important to understand because this is where modern American
history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some
textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the
Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of
gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New
Testaments. Here is the part that has been omitted: The original
contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in
London called for everything they produced to go into a common store,
and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All
of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the
community as well. Bradford, who had become the new governor of the
colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and
destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had
taken so many lives.
"He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to
each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the
marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the
Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be
described as socialism. And what happened? It didn't work! Surprise,
surprise, huh? What Bradford and his community found was that the most
creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder
than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal
motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been
experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years - trying to
refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it - the Pilgrims decided early
on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social
experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson If it were,
we might prevent much needless suffering in the future."
Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr.
From his book 'See I Told You So'
--
Scott in Florida
No thoughts of your own on this issue? I'm not surprised that one from your
school of thought would simply regurgitate the words of the hypocrite Rush
Limbaugh. Liberalism never works, huh? Do you even know what the word
means? Have you ever looked it up? Let me help you out.........
Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing
intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b
: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and
usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold
standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the
essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and
standing for the protection of political and civil liberties. -
Merraim-Webster dictionary.
lib·er·al·ism [ líbb?r? lìzz?m, líbbr? lìzz?m ]
noun
1. politics: progressive views: a belief in tolerance and gradual reform in
moral, religious, or political matters
2. politics: political theory stressing individualism: a political ideology
with its beginnings in western Europe that rejects authoritarian government
and defends freedom of speech, association, and religion, and the right to
own property
3. economics: free-market economics: an economic theory in favor of free
competition and minimal government regulation
4. christianity: Christian theological movement: a movement in modern
Protestantism stressing intellectual freedom and the moral content of
Christianity over the doctrines of traditional theology. -Encarta
Dictionary
lib.er.al.ism
Pronunciation: (lib'ur-u-liz"um, lib'ru-), [key]
-n.
1. the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.
2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the
individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of
political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted
development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of
individual rights and civil liberties. -Dictionary.com
Furthermore, the word liberalism comes from the word liberty, which we can
all agree is an idea that carries great value, and is the main premise that
our country is based on. Try checking out both sides of an issue sometime.
And check out Acts, chapter 2 and 4 for examples of socialism in the church.
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Scott in Florida wrote:
| Quote: | "Well, folks, let's allow our real undoctored American history lesson
to unfold further. If our schools and the media have twisted the
historical record when it comes to Columbus, they have obliterated the
contributions of America's earliest permanent settlers, the Pilgrims.
Why? Because they were a people inspired by profound religious beliefs
to overcome incredible odds. Today, public schools are simply not
teaching how important the religious dimension was in shaping our
history and our nation's character. Whether teachers are just
uncomfortable with this material or whether there's been a concerted
effort to cover up the truth, the results are the same. Kids are no
longer learning enough to understand and appreciate how and why
America was created.
"The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth
century (that's the 1600s for those of you in Rio Linda, California).
The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and
everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual
authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who
believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned,
and sometimes executed for their beliefs. A group of separatists first
fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about
forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World,
where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship
God according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1,
1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers,
including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey,
Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and
equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their
religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the
Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible.
"The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the
Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for
their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in
Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But
this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was
a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in
November, they found, according to Bradford's detailed journal, a
cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet
them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no
inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had
made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the
Pilgrims - including Bradford's own wife - died of either starvation,
sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the
settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.
Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper!
"This is important to understand because this is where modern American
history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some
textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the
Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of
gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New
Testaments. Here is the part that has been omitted: The original
contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in
London called for everything they produced to go into a common store,
and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All
of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the
community as well. Bradford, who had become the new governor of the
colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and
destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had
taken so many lives.
"He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to
each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the
marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the
Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be
described as socialism. And what happened? It didn't work! Surprise,
surprise, huh? What Bradford and his community found was that the most
creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder
than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal
motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been
experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years - trying to
refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it - the Pilgrims decided early
on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social
experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson If it were,
we might prevent much needless suffering in the future."
Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr.
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At least you remembered the quotes. Hope you got matching permission.
If memory serves he was at the Crystal Cathedral shooting up with the
Schuller pair (I & II) when he had this revelation. What a piece of work.
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In article <9ePpd.4470$Fg2.1819488@newshog.newsread.com>,
"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | At least you remembered the quotes. Hope you got matching permission.
If memory serves he was at the Crystal Cathedral shooting up with the
Schuller pair (I & II) when he had this revelation. What a piece of work.
Keep the funnies coming!
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fanny,
Are the martians attacking us yet?,,, LOL
hope u had a happy TG, but i doubt it
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:31:51 -0600, <diel@spm.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <fxMpd.75$1z5.42@trnddc06>,
"Truckdude" <keepiton@theboard.com> wrote:
No thoughts of your own on this issue? I'm not surprised that one from your
school of thought would simply regurgitate the words of the hypocrite Rush
Limbaugh. Liberalism never works, huh? Do you even know what the word
means? Have you ever looked it up? Let me help you out.........
Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing
intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b
: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and
usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold
standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the
essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and
standing for the protection of political and civil liberties. -
Merraim-Webster dictionary.
lib·er·al·ism [ líbb?r? lìzz?m, líbbr? lìzz?m ]
noun
1. politics: progressive views: a belief in tolerance and gradual reform in
moral, religious, or political matters
2. politics: political theory stressing individualism: a political ideology
with its beginnings in western Europe that rejects authoritarian government
and defends freedom of speech, association, and religion, and the right to
own property
3. economics: free-market economics: an economic theory in favor of free
competition and minimal government regulation
4. christianity: Christian theological movement: a movement in modern
Protestantism stressing intellectual freedom and the moral content of
Christianity over the doctrines of traditional theology. -Encarta
Dictionary
lib.er.al.ism
Pronunciation: (lib'ur-u-liz"um, lib'ru-), [key]
-n.
1. the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.
2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the
individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of
political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted
development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of
individual rights and civil liberties. -Dictionary.com
Furthermore, the word liberalism comes from the word liberty, which we can
all agree is an idea that carries great value, and is the main premise that
our country is based on. Try checking out both sides of an issue sometime.
And check out Acts, chapter 2 and 4 for examples of socialism in the church.
sounds like a liberal dictionary, LOL
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Scott in Florida
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:45:09 GMT, "FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Scott in Florida wrote:
"Well, folks, let's allow our real undoctored American history lesson
to unfold further. If our schools and the media have twisted the
historical record when it comes to Columbus, they have obliterated the
contributions of America's earliest permanent settlers, the Pilgrims.
Why? Because they were a people inspired by profound religious beliefs
to overcome incredible odds. Today, public schools are simply not
teaching how important the religious dimension was in shaping our
history and our nation's character. Whether teachers are just
uncomfortable with this material or whether there's been a concerted
effort to cover up the truth, the results are the same. Kids are no
longer learning enough to understand and appreciate how and why
America was created.
"The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the seventeenth
century (that's the 1600s for those of you in Rio Linda, California).
The Church of England under King James I was persecuting anyone and
everyone who did not recognize its absolute civil and spiritual
authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical authority and those who
believed strongly in freedom of worship were hunted down, imprisoned,
and sometimes executed for their beliefs. A group of separatists first
fled to Holland and established a community. After eleven years, about
forty of them agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World,
where they would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship
God according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1,
1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers,
including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey,
Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and
equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their
religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the
Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible.
"The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the
Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for
their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in
Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But
this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was
a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in
November, they found, according to Bradford's detailed journal, a
cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends to greet
them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no
inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had
made for freedom was just beginning. During the first winter, half the
Pilgrims - including Bradford's own wife - died of either starvation,
sickness or exposure. When spring finally came, Indians taught the
settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats.
Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper!
"This is important to understand because this is where modern American
history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually explained in some
textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the
Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of
gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New
Testaments. Here is the part that has been omitted: The original
contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in
London called for everything they produced to go into a common store,
and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All
of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the
community as well. Bradford, who had become the new governor of the
colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and
destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had
taken so many lives.
"He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to
each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the
marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the
Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be
described as socialism. And what happened? It didn't work! Surprise,
surprise, huh? What Bradford and his community found was that the most
creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder
than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal
motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been
experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years - trying to
refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it - the Pilgrims decided early
on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social
experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson If it were,
we might prevent much needless suffering in the future."
Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr.
At least you remembered the quotes. Hope you got matching permission.
If memory serves he was at the Crystal Cathedral shooting up with the
Schuller pair (I & II) when he had this revelation. What a piece of work.
Keep the funnies coming!
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Nah...I didn't get permission....why don't you write Rush and see if
he prosecutes me....ROFL
He would be so honored that I have pissed off some liberals with his
work that he would extend my subscription to Rush 24/7!!!
btw...what do you find wrong with the facts he presented?
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Scott in Florida
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:06:07 -0600, <diel@spm.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <9ePpd.4470$Fg2.1819488@newshog.newsread.com>,
"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:
At least you remembered the quotes. Hope you got matching permission.
If memory serves he was at the Crystal Cathedral shooting up with the
Schuller pair (I & II) when he had this revelation. What a piece of work.
Keep the funnies coming!
fanny,
Are the martians attacking us yet?,,, LOL
hope u had a happy TG, but i doubt it
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ROFL
Liberals never have a nice day....
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