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Backyard Mechanic
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject:
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Went to Walmart yesterday, got 4 new Goodyear Viva Touring in prep for the
snow last night.
(seem to be GOOD tires for money, 3rd set I've bought for various vehicles)
Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional, suspicion
that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the front rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards.
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Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
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I Love Edsels
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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why Wal-Mart? they sh*t on employees and suppliers and are a money
pipeline to China.
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:29:45 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Went to Walmart yesterday, got 4 new Goodyear Viva Touring in prep for the
snow last night.
(seem to be GOOD tires for money, 3rd set I've bought for various vehicles)
Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional, suspicion
that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the front rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards. |
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Paul of Dayon
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:41 am Post subject:
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It figures - a lot of mass market auto shops don't listen very well. I just
had a round 'n round getting tires on the '93 Cougar. Michelin X-One
super-duper-everything tire was shot at 40k. Original dealer (NTB/Tire
Kingdom) said sorry but they don't make these anymore so no warranty.
Michelin cust service sent me to a local shop who processed everything for
me - new Mich Harmony tires, now. The time warranty had expired a few
months ago but Mich gave me a 25% credit anyway.
Now I need something for the Crown Vic. Same size tires. Sam's has a set
of BF Goodrich Touring TA's for $300... but it has mass market techs...
Maybe I'll wait till I'm stuck in a ditch... the X-Ones on it still look
OK... (90k)
PoD
"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Went to Walmart yesterday, got 4 new Goodyear Viva Touring in prep for the
snow last night.
(seem to be GOOD tires for money, 3rd set I've bought for various
vehicles)
Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional, suspicion
that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the front rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards.
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it! |
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CJB
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:58 am Post subject:
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I have a friend who works for a Tire Kingdom owned store. He tells me that
if you call customer service and complain, you can get just about anything.
I'm really sad to hear that your Michelins didn't last any longer than that.
I've always had excellent service from Michelin tires.
For your CV, may I suggest the good old X Radial, if it's still available.
Last time I looked they still had it at BJ's and Sams. It's a little older
design, but I've had it on my old Crown Vic and on some other stuff and I've
been thrilled with the ride and durability.
CJB
"Paul of Dayon" <plus1111@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | It figures - a lot of mass market auto shops don't listen very well. I
just had a round 'n round getting tires on the '93 Cougar. Michelin X-One
super-duper-everything tire was shot at 40k. Original dealer (NTB/Tire
Kingdom) said sorry but they don't make these anymore so no warranty.
Michelin cust service sent me to a local shop who processed everything for
me - new Mich Harmony tires, now. The time warranty had expired a few
months ago but Mich gave me a 25% credit anyway.
Now I need something for the Crown Vic. Same size tires. Sam's has a set
of BF Goodrich Touring TA's for $300... but it has mass market techs...
Maybe I'll wait till I'm stuck in a ditch... the X-Ones on it still look
OK... (90k)
PoD
"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972780623D2Dpettyfogery@207.115.17.102...
Went to Walmart yesterday, got 4 new Goodyear Viva Touring in prep for
the
snow last night.
(seem to be GOOD tires for money, 3rd set I've bought for various
vehicles)
Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional, suspicion
that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the front rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards.
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
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Puddin' Man
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:43 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:41:01 GMT, "Paul of Dayon"
<plus1111@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It figures - a lot of mass market auto shops don't listen very well. I just
had a round 'n round getting tires on the '93 Cougar. Michelin X-One
super-duper-everything tire was shot at 40k. Original dealer (NTB/Tire
Kingdom) said sorry but they don't make these anymore so no warranty.
Michelin cust service sent me to a local shop who processed everything for
me - new Mich Harmony tires, now. The time warranty had expired a few
months ago but Mich gave me a 25% credit anyway.
Now I need something for the Crown Vic. Same size tires. Sam's has a set
of BF Goodrich Touring TA's for $300... but it has mass market techs...
Maybe I'll wait till I'm stuck in a ditch... the X-Ones on it still look
OK... (90k)
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Paul,
See does the following proposed course of action make sense:
1.) Determine -exactly- what is needed, possibly with the
help of folks with this group. Maybe create a pc document
with full details and print it.
2.) Identify 3-4 shops which should be able to manage 1.).
Hand copy of requirements or fully explain to least
catatonic-looking writer or manager you can find.
If he/she doesn't fully comprehend, forget 'em.
If he/she doesn't indicate full compliance, forget 'em.
3.) Repeat 1.) and 2.) 'til you find a likely candidate.
4.) Watch 'em like a hawk that ain't et for a week or 2. :-)
Some of 2.) might be practical over the phone ...
Oh, yeah. Consider no shops where you can't watch the work
being done. And stipulate they save any old parts replaced
unless the tech. is your brother (not brother-in-law). :-)
Seriously, I hereby swear I will -never- again crack the cover of
a magazine/book whilst in the waiting room. Gonna keep
'em under my microscope. Same goes for -all- contracters/
gov't employees anywhere *near* my little home. Left to
their own devices, they'll often do anything that pleases
'em.
Best,
Puddin'
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"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972780623D2Dpettyfogery@207.115.17.102...
Went to Walmart yesterday, got 4 new Goodyear Viva Touring in prep for the
snow last night.
(seem to be GOOD tires for money, 3rd set I've bought for various
vehicles)
Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional, suspicion
that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the front rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards.
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:03 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:58:41 GMT, "CJB"
<colonyparkwagon@excite.nospam> wrote:
| Quote: | I have a friend who works for a Tire Kingdom owned store. He tells me that
if you call customer service and complain, you can get just about anything.
I'm really sad to hear that your Michelins didn't last any longer than that.
I've always had excellent service from Michelin tires.
For your CV, may I suggest the good old X Radial, if it's still available.
Last time I looked they still had it at BJ's and Sams. It's a little older
design, but I've had it on my old Crown Vic and on some other stuff and I've
been thrilled with the ride and durability.
But not worth crap on snow/ice |
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Al Bundy
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:35 am Post subject:
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Hope you discovered the error before leaving the store.
Next time try marking the rims with a magic marker like they do now
before surgery. |
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CJB
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:36 am Post subject:
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<nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:58:41 GMT, "CJB"
colonyparkwagon@excite.nospam> wrote:
I have a friend who works for a Tire Kingdom owned store. He tells me
that
if you call customer service and complain, you can get just about
anything.
I'm really sad to hear that your Michelins didn't last any longer than
that.
I've always had excellent service from Michelin tires.
For your CV, may I suggest the good old X Radial, if it's still available.
Last time I looked they still had it at BJ's and Sams. It's a little
older
design, but I've had it on my old Crown Vic and on some other stuff and
I've
been thrilled with the ride and durability.
But not worth crap on snow/ice
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Your opinion is fine. However, I drove both my 88 Crown Vic and my 92
Ranger, both 4x2, year round in WV mountain snows when I lived there, and
never had a problem. Most problems on snow and ice are related to the
driver, not the tires. The Ranger I had for 5 years, the CV for 3.
CJB |
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Petebert
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:53 am Post subject:
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wal-mart regularly messes up oil changes, certainly wouldnt put my life in
their hands and let them touch my tires
"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972780623D2Dpettyfogery@207.115.17.102...
| Quote: | Went to Walmart yesterday, got 4 new Goodyear Viva Touring in prep for the
snow last night.
(seem to be GOOD tires for money, 3rd set I've bought for various
vehicles)
Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional, suspicion
that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the front rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards.
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it! |
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:08 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:36:51 GMT, "CJB"
<colonyparkwagon@excite.nospam> wrote:
| Quote: | nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca> wrote in message
news:fpvjp1hisganjg74v9oa72aa6o2iij7sfd@4ax.com...
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:58:41 GMT, "CJB"
colonyparkwagon@excite.nospam> wrote:
I have a friend who works for a Tire Kingdom owned store. He tells me
that
if you call customer service and complain, you can get just about
anything.
I'm really sad to hear that your Michelins didn't last any longer than
that.
I've always had excellent service from Michelin tires.
For your CV, may I suggest the good old X Radial, if it's still available.
Last time I looked they still had it at BJ's and Sams. It's a little
older
design, but I've had it on my old Crown Vic and on some other stuff and
I've
been thrilled with the ride and durability.
But not worth crap on snow/ice
Your opinion is fine. However, I drove both my 88 Crown Vic and my 92
Ranger, both 4x2, year round in WV mountain snows when I lived there, and
never had a problem. Most problems on snow and ice are related to the
driver, not the tires. The Ranger I had for 5 years, the CV for 3.
CJB
Up here in Ontario I've gone back to dedicated ice and snow tires for |
winter driving on ALL family vehicles. Currently running Dunlop
Graspics on 96 Mystique, 94 TransSport and 98 Neon.
Had Bridgestone Blizzaks on 96 Colt.
I had the "old" Michelin Xs on several vehicles in the past and would
not recommend them. They wear like iron, but have poor wet traction.
In the heavy traffic of urban central Ontario, you need every
advantage you can get. |
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CJB
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:25 am Post subject:
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I do understand. I now live in the Washington DC metro area, and the type
of traffic situations one is likely to face are dramatically different from
my formerly rural clime.
My concern admittedly is more toward wear. I personally despise the soft
rubber compounds of most snow tires. With a lot of them, you're lucky if
you get more than one winter from them. I just haven't come upon conditions
that require that sticky a tire. I guess the thing is this, I do well in
the snow. However, if my wife had to drive in icy/snowy conditions all the
time, I'd probably get the stickiest things I could find. :-)
CJB
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| Quote: | On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:36:51 GMT, "CJB"
colonyparkwagon@excite.nospam> wrote:
nospam.clare.nce@sny.der.on.ca> wrote in message
news:fpvjp1hisganjg74v9oa72aa6o2iij7sfd@4ax.com...
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:58:41 GMT, "CJB"
colonyparkwagon@excite.nospam> wrote:
I have a friend who works for a Tire Kingdom owned store. He tells me
that
if you call customer service and complain, you can get just about
anything.
I'm really sad to hear that your Michelins didn't last any longer than
that.
I've always had excellent service from Michelin tires.
For your CV, may I suggest the good old X Radial, if it's still
available.
Last time I looked they still had it at BJ's and Sams. It's a little
older
design, but I've had it on my old Crown Vic and on some other stuff and
I've
been thrilled with the ride and durability.
But not worth crap on snow/ice
Your opinion is fine. However, I drove both my 88 Crown Vic and my 92
Ranger, both 4x2, year round in WV mountain snows when I lived there, and
never had a problem. Most problems on snow and ice are related to the
driver, not the tires. The Ranger I had for 5 years, the CV for 3.
CJB
Up here in Ontario I've gone back to dedicated ice and snow tires for
winter driving on ALL family vehicles. Currently running Dunlop
Graspics on 96 Mystique, 94 TransSport and 98 Neon.
Had Bridgestone Blizzaks on 96 Colt.
I had the "old" Michelin Xs on several vehicles in the past and would
not recommend them. They wear like iron, but have poor wet traction.
In the heavy traffic of urban central Ontario, you need every
advantage you can get. |
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Paul of Dayon
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:16 am Post subject:
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I will very likely go back to the local dealer that helped with the
Michelins. They have a friendly crew and they're older people who have been
doing this for a while. I got 4 Michelin Harmony tires thanks to Michelin
and that dealer. We just had a 6" snow here and they are wonderful. The
car rides better on dry roads, too.
The odd part is that the very same X-One tire on the CV has almost double
the miles on it and still goes OK in snow. I will get new tires this winter
if we get a snow like last year and I'll probably get the Harmony. The
BFG's are a lot less, tho.
Even with the first gear lockout on the CV, I got stuck a block from home
last winter. The city seems to think it shouldn't plow my little part of
town. They say there are too many speed bumps and closed streets. Of
course, the city installed the many street gates several years ago... for
our protection.
PoD
"Puddin' Man" <Pudding.Man@Gmail.Com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:41:01 GMT, "Paul of Dayon"
plus1111@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
It figures - a lot of mass market auto shops don't listen very well. I
just
had a round 'n round getting tires on the '93 Cougar. Michelin X-One
super-duper-everything tire was shot at 40k. Original dealer (NTB/Tire
Kingdom) said sorry but they don't make these anymore so no warranty.
Michelin cust service sent me to a local shop who processed everything for
me - new Mich Harmony tires, now. The time warranty had expired a few
months ago but Mich gave me a 25% credit anyway.
Now I need something for the Crown Vic. Same size tires. Sam's has a set
of BF Goodrich Touring TA's for $300... but it has mass market techs...
Maybe I'll wait till I'm stuck in a ditch... the X-Ones on it still look
OK... (90k)
Paul,
See does the following proposed course of action make sense:
1.) Determine -exactly- what is needed, possibly with the
help of folks with this group. Maybe create a pc document
with full details and print it.
2.) Identify 3-4 shops which should be able to manage 1.).
Hand copy of requirements or fully explain to least
catatonic-looking writer or manager you can find.
If he/she doesn't fully comprehend, forget 'em.
If he/she doesn't indicate full compliance, forget 'em.
3.) Repeat 1.) and 2.) 'til you find a likely candidate.
4.) Watch 'em like a hawk that ain't et for a week or 2. :-)
Some of 2.) might be practical over the phone ...
Oh, yeah. Consider no shops where you can't watch the work
being done. And stipulate they save any old parts replaced
unless the tech. is your brother (not brother-in-law). :-)
Seriously, I hereby swear I will -never- again crack the cover of
a magazine/book whilst in the waiting room. Gonna keep
'em under my microscope. Same goes for -all- contracters/
gov't employees anywhere *near* my little home. Left to
their own devices, they'll often do anything that pleases
'em.
Best,
Puddin'
"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972780623D2Dpettyfogery@207.115.17.102...
Went to Walmart yesterday, got 4 new Goodyear Viva Touring in prep for
the
snow last night.
(seem to be GOOD tires for money, 3rd set I've bought for various
vehicles)
Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional,
suspicion
that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the front rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards.
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
--
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Berkshire Bill
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:21 am Post subject:
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"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972780623D2Dpettyfogery@207.115.17.102...
| Quote: | Went to Walmart yesterday, got 4 new Goodyear Viva Touring in prep for the
snow last night.
(seem to be GOOD tires for money, 3rd set I've bought for various
vehicles)
Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional, suspicion
that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the front rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards.
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
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I'm confused (easily by the way).. you have two different design rims? One
specifically for the left side and the other for the right side or they
mounted the tires ignoring the directional arrows?
Happy modeming,
Bill K. |
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
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Paul of Dayon wrote:
| Quote: | I will very likely go back to the local dealer that helped with the
Michelins. They have a friendly crew and they're older people who have been
doing this for a while. I got 4 Michelin Harmony tires thanks to Michelin
and that dealer. We just had a 6" snow here and they are wonderful. The
car rides better on dry roads, too.
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I put Harmony tires on my 2000 Taurus SE a couple of years ago and can't say
enough nice stuff about the tires. Last year I was able to drive like a bat out
of hell through a pretty good snow without slipping and sliding. They are
quieter than the older Michelins that they replaced.
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerd@carolina.rr.com.REMOVE |
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Backyard Mechanic
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"Berkshire Bill" <bkitterm@berkshire.rr.com> wrote:
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Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional,
suspicion that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the
front rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards.
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the
price you pay..DEAL with it!
I'm confused (easily by the way).. you have two different design
rims?
One specifically for the left side and the other for the right side
or they mounted the tires ignoring the directional arrows?
Wheel are directional, not the tires
Note an early nineties Bird... they have spokes that look like
turbine vanes...
sorta like a fan blade. And I cant recall if they are that plainly
marked but they were bassackwards on my first bird and I went through
rotors quick.
Finally figured it out, the 'vanes must AT LEAST assist air passing
from the rotors.
Turned em right and no problems in 70,000 miles since.
On a vane type wheel as you describe if all four wheels are the same
pattern, two of them are always going to be wrong .. one side pushing
air in to the rotors, the other side pulling brake dust out. When we
sell sets off a car two of them are always dirtier for that reason.
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arrgghhhh!!!
there are two designed for the left, two for the right.
Damn... dont you think I can see my own f$%^g car!
Tbirds aint that rare, still, look at one!
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it! |
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