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ad libitum
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject:
strange starting problem |
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This morning, I went out to start my wifes car, it cranked two or
three times, I let off, then went to crank again and there was
nothing. I tried jumping it, thinking maybe the battery died but that
seemed to do nothing.
Then I noticed that while the lights, annoying ding, and other stuff
worked, the dash clock, heater, radio, power windows, etc.. did
absolutely nothing no matter how the key was turned. I checked the
fuses under the dash and near the battery, what else could be causing
this?
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Mike Romain
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject:
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A dirty main battery cable end can cause that. Don't forget that the
cables have 2 ends...
I would start on the ground cables, but the power cable could be bad
where it joins the power distribution center or where the fuse links
hook up. On some that is at the starter, some have a box with relays
and some have a relay or solenoid. I would be checking the power wire
at that first connection from the battery.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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ad libitum wrote:
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This morning, I went out to start my wifes car, it cranked two or
three times, I let off, then went to crank again and there was
nothing. I tried jumping it, thinking maybe the battery died but that
seemed to do nothing.
Then I noticed that while the lights, annoying ding, and other stuff
worked, the dash clock, heater, radio, power windows, etc.. did
absolutely nothing no matter how the key was turned. I checked the
fuses under the dash and near the battery, what else could be causing
this? |
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ad libitum
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Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:53:32 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
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| Quote: | A dirty main battery cable end can cause that. Don't forget that the
cables have 2 ends...
I would start on the ground cables, but the power cable could be bad
where it joins the power distribution center or where the fuse links
hook up. On some that is at the starter, some have a box with relays
and some have a relay or solenoid. I would be checking the power wire
at that first connection from the battery.
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For more detail, it's a 92 Hyundai Elantra.
Started and ran until this morning, tried starting this morning even
(no slow cranking or anything like a low charge battery, just stopped
altogether)
New starter (2months or so, 2nd in 2 years)
Battery is about a year old.
If you put the key in, it goes ding ding etc..
If you turn the car to the ON position, you get nothing from the power
windows, wipers, radio, heater, etc.. but the headlights, break
lights, blinkers, inside lights (the ones on the doors and overhead)
all still seem to work. you also dont get the radio or anything in
ACC.
If you try to start it, it still does nothing, no clicks, no radio, no
heater, no wipers, etc..
all the fuses appear to be good, i played with the battery cables,
tried jumping it etc but doesnt seem to make much difference.
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:21 am Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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Check with a test lite; The smaller wire coming off the battery +
where it goes into the relay/fuse box next to the battery. Pull a fuse
and see if power comes to one terminal. (you may only have the small
fuse box on the + batt post). Test and inspect ALL the fuses and main
relay. Test the ignition is getting power at the key switch assy.
With key in ON position, check if power gets to the ACC 1, ACC 2, and
IGN terminals.
Best guess from here, is there is blown fuse in the relay/fuse box
next to the battery.
Pete |
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ad libitum
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:56 am Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:21:48 GMT, cselby@mts.net wrote:
| Quote: | Check with a test lite; The smaller wire coming off the battery +
where it goes into the relay/fuse box next to the battery. Pull a fuse
and see if power comes to one terminal. (you may only have the small
fuse box on the + batt post). Test and inspect ALL the fuses and main
relay. Test the ignition is getting power at the key switch assy.
With key in ON position, check if power gets to the ACC 1, ACC 2, and
IGN terminals.
Best guess from here, is there is blown fuse in the relay/fuse box
next to the battery.
Pete
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What about the ignition switch? any way to test that without removing
half the dash? Everything thats wrong with the car seems to relate to
that (ie radio, wipers, heater, starter, power window, all need
ignition swith to work, lights, chime, interior lights, etc.. dont
need ignition switch) |
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:09 am Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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Only need to remove the shroud under the wheel (two halves) and the
valence under the dash below the wheel to see the switch. I'd be
inclined to test for power leading up to the switch before looking at
the actual switch.
| Quote: | What about the ignition switch? any way to test that without removing
half the dash? Everything thats wrong with the car seems to relate to
that (ie radio, wipers, heater, starter, power window, all need
ignition swith to work, lights, chime, interior lights, etc.. dont
need ignition switch) |
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tom
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:08 am Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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take the battery cables off, and clean them inside real good, and the
battery terminals also. put it all back together and it will start rite up.
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| Quote: | This morning, I went out to start my wifes car, it cranked two or
three times, I let off, then went to crank again and there was
nothing. I tried jumping it, thinking maybe the battery died but that
seemed to do nothing.
Then I noticed that while the lights, annoying ding, and other stuff
worked, the dash clock, heater, radio, power windows, etc.. did
absolutely nothing no matter how the key was turned. I checked the
fuses under the dash and near the battery, what else could be causing
this? |
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ad libitum
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:36:57 -0500, ad libitum <> wrote:
| Quote: | This morning, I went out to start my wifes car, it cranked two or
three times, I let off, then went to crank again and there was
nothing. I tried jumping it, thinking maybe the battery died but that
seemed to do nothing.
Then I noticed that while the lights, annoying ding, and other stuff
worked, the dash clock, heater, radio, power windows, etc.. did
absolutely nothing no matter how the key was turned. I checked the
fuses under the dash and near the battery, what else could be causing
this?
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Just double checked the fuses, and replaced the 30A ignition fuse
under the hood, still has power enough to run lights and stuff (even
tried jumping it with other car) but still no power to anything that
requires the ignition be in the ACC or ON posistion (radio, wipers,
power windows, etc). Is there any wiring under the dash I should
check for shorts or fuses/relays/etc/fusible links not in the kick
panel fusebox or under the hood before i assume it's the ignition
switch itself? |
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tom
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:46 am Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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once again, clean the battery terminals and inside the battery wires. this
is a common problem with the hundai .
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| Quote: | On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:36:57 -0500, ad libitum <> wrote:
This morning, I went out to start my wifes car, it cranked two or
three times, I let off, then went to crank again and there was
nothing. I tried jumping it, thinking maybe the battery died but that
seemed to do nothing.
Then I noticed that while the lights, annoying ding, and other stuff
worked, the dash clock, heater, radio, power windows, etc.. did
absolutely nothing no matter how the key was turned. I checked the
fuses under the dash and near the battery, what else could be causing
this?
Just double checked the fuses, and replaced the 30A ignition fuse
under the hood, still has power enough to run lights and stuff (even
tried jumping it with other car) but still no power to anything that
requires the ignition be in the ACC or ON posistion (radio, wipers,
power windows, etc). Is there any wiring under the dash I should
check for shorts or fuses/relays/etc/fusible links not in the kick
panel fusebox or under the hood before i assume it's the ignition
switch itself? |
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ad libitum
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:23 am Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:36:57 -0500, ad libitum <> wrote:
| Quote: | This morning, I went out to start my wifes car, it cranked two or
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So i get in the car today, and just stick the key in it, and it cranks
(and all the electronics work now) . I havent done anything yet, I had
just gotten my voltmeter and was getting ready to test wires. It'll
crank 3-4 times then just click a few times, I let it sit a minute or
two and try again it'll just crank a few times. But it doesn't seem to
want to fire over even after a long crank. It's usually hard to start
after one day, So i'm guessing its just bring a pain after 3 days.
The clicking doesnt seem to be low charge since it will do it whether
or no it's hooked up to another car via jumpers. It's a new starter
and solenoid, is there a relay somewhere that could be bad? |
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tom
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:48 am Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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and I bet you still have not cleaned the battery cables or terminals.
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| Quote: | On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:36:57 -0500, ad libitum <> wrote:
This morning, I went out to start my wifes car, it cranked two or
So i get in the car today, and just stick the key in it, and it cranks
(and all the electronics work now) . I havent done anything yet, I had
just gotten my voltmeter and was getting ready to test wires. It'll
crank 3-4 times then just click a few times, I let it sit a minute or
two and try again it'll just crank a few times. But it doesn't seem to
want to fire over even after a long crank. It's usually hard to start
after one day, So i'm guessing its just bring a pain after 3 days.
The clicking doesnt seem to be low charge since it will do it whether
or no it's hooked up to another car via jumpers. It's a new starter
and solenoid, is there a relay somewhere that could be bad? |
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Mike Romain
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:49 am Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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A dirty battery cable can easily act like that. Don't forget the cables
have 'two' ends.....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
ad libitum wrote:
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:36:57 -0500, ad libitum <> wrote:
This morning, I went out to start my wifes car, it cranked two or
So i get in the car today, and just stick the key in it, and it cranks
(and all the electronics work now) . I havent done anything yet, I had
just gotten my voltmeter and was getting ready to test wires. It'll
crank 3-4 times then just click a few times, I let it sit a minute or
two and try again it'll just crank a few times. But it doesn't seem to
want to fire over even after a long crank. It's usually hard to start
after one day, So i'm guessing its just bring a pain after 3 days.
The clicking doesnt seem to be low charge since it will do it whether
or no it's hooked up to another car via jumpers. It's a new starter
and solenoid, is there a relay somewhere that could be bad? |
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ad libitum
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:29 am Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:49:16 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
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| Quote: | A dirty battery cable can easily act like that. Don't forget the cables
have 'two' ends.....
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So with cleaned up battery cales the thing cranks and cranks and
cranks to no end, every now and then it 'jumps" like it wants to fire
over, but doesn't
Then, just a few mintues ago, the same thing that started this all
happened, was like a fuse got blown, and all the power in the dash,
door windows, ignition, all goes out. Is there a circuit breaker
somewhere that causes this? because the last time the only thing that
fixed it was time, after letting it sit awhile all the power came
back, and it would crank again. |
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Mike Romain
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Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:50 am Post subject:
Re: strange starting problem |
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ad libitum wrote:
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On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:49:16 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca
wrote:
A dirty battery cable can easily act like that. Don't forget the cables
have 'two' ends.....
So with cleaned up battery cales the thing cranks and cranks and
cranks to no end, every now and then it 'jumps" like it wants to fire
over, but doesn't
Then, just a few mintues ago, the same thing that started this all
happened, was like a fuse got blown, and all the power in the dash,
door windows, ignition, all goes out. Is there a circuit breaker
somewhere that causes this? because the last time the only thing that
fixed it was time, after letting it sit awhile all the power came
back, and it would crank again.
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Interesting. I would try to run a booster cable from the battery
negative to the firewall to see if that has any effect.
You might also have a circuit breaker in the power box. I don't have a
manual for a car like yours to know for sure.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) |
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