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Cal
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:14 am Post subject:
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The rear passenger side brake/turn signal bulb has burned out in my wife's
1997 Buick LeSabre Custom (3.8 V6). The manual says to pull the carpet away
from the area of the tail lamp assembly, then turn the bulb holder assembly
to remove it. However, it seems that the design is different from that
described in the manual. If I pull back the carpet it looks as iff the only
way to get at the bulb holder is to remove two nuts and pull the whole lamp
assembly off the rear of the vehicle. Is this the way to change a simple
bulb? Am I missing something here?
Cal.
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Al Tsiemers
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Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject:
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"Cal" <Replyto@group.pls> wrote in
news:VMAff.234$fO5.142@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
Just did one on my wife's 2000 LeSabre. Same deal. It's what happens when
things are designed by engineers that can't/don't replace their own
lightbulbs.
| Quote: | The rear passenger side brake/turn signal bulb has burned out in my
wife's 1997 Buick LeSabre Custom (3.8 V6). The manual says to pull
the carpet away from the area of the tail lamp assembly, then turn the
bulb holder assembly to remove it. However, it seems that the design
is different from that described in the manual. If I pull back the
carpet it looks as iff the only way to get at the bulb holder is to
remove two nuts and pull the whole lamp assembly off the rear of the
vehicle. Is this the way to change a simple bulb? Am I missing
something here?
Cal.
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Mike Marlow
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:14 am Post subject:
Re: LeSabre bulb replacement |
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"Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Al Tsiemers" <Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote in message
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"Cal" <Replyto@group.pls> wrote in
news:VMAff.234$fO5.142@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
Just did one on my wife's 2000 LeSabre. Same deal. It's what happens
when
things are designed by engineers that can't/don't replace their own
lightbulbs.
Maybe, but in years past, when bulbs were easier to get to, the lenses
often
had water in them and the sockets corroded easily. They are infinitely
better today.
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Correct. And... it's not that hard to get the tail light assembly out.
It's really quite obvious with a quick look.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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The rear passenger side brake/turn signal bulb has burned out in my
wife's 1997 Buick LeSabre Custom (3.8 V6). The manual says to pull
the carpet away from the area of the tail lamp assembly, then turn the
bulb holder assembly to remove it. However, it seems that the design
is different from that described in the manual. If I pull back the
carpet it looks as iff the only way to get at the bulb holder is to
remove two nuts and pull the whole lamp assembly off the rear of the
vehicle. Is this the way to change a simple bulb? Am I missing
something here?
Cal.
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Hairy
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Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:14 am Post subject:
Re: LeSabre bulb replacement |
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"Al Tsiemers" <Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97136317095A16666@69.28.186.121...
| Quote: | "Cal" <Replyto@group.pls> wrote in
news:VMAff.234$fO5.142@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
Just did one on my wife's 2000 LeSabre. Same deal. It's what happens when
things are designed by engineers that can't/don't replace their own
lightbulbs.
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Maybe, but in years past, when bulbs were easier to get to, the lenses often
had water in them and the sockets corroded easily. They are infinitely
better today.
| Quote: | The rear passenger side brake/turn signal bulb has burned out in my
wife's 1997 Buick LeSabre Custom (3.8 V6). The manual says to pull
the carpet away from the area of the tail lamp assembly, then turn the
bulb holder assembly to remove it. However, it seems that the design
is different from that described in the manual. If I pull back the
carpet it looks as iff the only way to get at the bulb holder is to
remove two nuts and pull the whole lamp assembly off the rear of the
vehicle. Is this the way to change a simple bulb? Am I missing
something here?
Cal.
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Al Tsiemers
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:48 am Post subject:
Re: LeSabre bulb replacement |
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in news:86a5e$43800e7c
$45289579$7257@ALLTEL.NET:
Give me a break. Same sockets they've used for 15 years. Like they can't
design a lens to drain moisture.
His original complaint was about the changing of a 2 minute, toolless job
into a 15 minute job requiring a flare wrench or deep socket.
| Quote: | "Hairy" <hairy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Al Tsiemers" <Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97136317095A16666@69.28.186.121...
"Cal" <Replyto@group.pls> wrote in
news:VMAff.234$fO5.142@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
Just did one on my wife's 2000 LeSabre. Same deal. It's what happens
when
things are designed by engineers that can't/don't replace their own
lightbulbs.
Maybe, but in years past, when bulbs were easier to get to, the lenses
often
had water in them and the sockets corroded easily. They are infinitely
better today.
Correct. And... it's not that hard to get the tail light assembly out.
It's really quite obvious with a quick look.
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Mike Marlow
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:10 am Post subject:
Re: LeSabre bulb replacement |
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"Al Tsiemers" <Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in news:86a5e$43800e7c
$45289579$7257@ALLTEL.NET:
Give me a break. Same sockets they've used for 15 years. Like they can't
design a lens to drain moisture.
His original complaint was about the changing of a 2 minute, toolless job
into a 15 minute job requiring a flare wrench or deep socket.
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What do you mean "give me a break", Al? My only point was that the
assemblies today *are* better than what they used to use and it's not a huge
job to replace a bulb. Sure - they could have put a cut out in there so you
could just reach in and twist out or pull out the offending bulb, but come
on - it's not that big of a deal to take off a nut. 15 minutes would be
quite on the long side of that job. I supposed if you stopped for a
cigaretter or maybe a little... well, we won't go there.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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"Al Tsiemers" <Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote in message
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"Cal" <Replyto@group.pls> wrote in
news:VMAff.234$fO5.142@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com:
Just did one on my wife's 2000 LeSabre. Same deal. It's what happens
when
things are designed by engineers that can't/don't replace their own
lightbulbs.
Maybe, but in years past, when bulbs were easier to get to, the lenses
often
had water in them and the sockets corroded easily. They are infinitely
better today.
Correct. And... it's not that hard to get the tail light assembly out.
It's really quite obvious with a quick look.
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:37 am Post subject:
Re: LeSabre bulb replacement |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:10:15 -0500, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net>
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What do you mean "give me a break", Al? My only point was that the
assemblies today *are* better than what they used to use and it's not a huge
job to replace a bulb. Sure - they could have put a cut out in there so you
could just reach in and twist out or pull out the offending bulb, but come
on - it's not that big of a deal to take off a nut. 15 minutes would be
quite on the long side of that job. I supposed if you stopped for a
cigaretter or maybe a little... well, we won't go there.
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I wonder what my BUICK dealer'd charge to replace the bulb... ???
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Ken Weitzel
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:16 am Post subject:
Re: LeSabre bulb replacement |
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Mike Marlow wrote:
| Quote: | "Al Tsiemers" <Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9714A0CCC99B6666@69.28.186.121...
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in news:86a5e$43800e7c
$45289579$7257@ALLTEL.NET:
Give me a break. Same sockets they've used for 15 years. Like they can't
design a lens to drain moisture.
His original complaint was about the changing of a 2 minute, toolless job
into a 15 minute job requiring a flare wrench or deep socket.
What do you mean "give me a break", Al? My only point was that the
assemblies today *are* better than what they used to use and it's not a huge
job to replace a bulb. Sure - they could have put a cut out in there so you
could just reach in and twist out or pull out the offending bulb, but come
on - it's not that big of a deal to take off a nut. 15 minutes would be
quite on the long side of that job. I supposed if you stopped for a
cigaretter or maybe a little... well, we won't go there.
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Hi...
Just the next step on the greed driven throwaway world path of big
business.
Next, someone somewhere will raise a stink about the crazing/fogging
of the interior, and before we know it we'll be fixing a burned out
bulb by replacing a 300 dollar headlamp "module".
It goes without saying that replacing this module will require
special tools :)
Take care.
Ken |
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Mike Marlow
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject:
Re: LeSabre bulb replacement |
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"Ken Weitzel" <kweitzel@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Mike Marlow wrote:
"Al Tsiemers" <Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9714A0CCC99B6666@69.28.186.121...
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in news:86a5e$43800e7c
$45289579$7257@ALLTEL.NET:
Give me a break. Same sockets they've used for 15 years. Like they can't
design a lens to drain moisture.
His original complaint was about the changing of a 2 minute, toolless
job
into a 15 minute job requiring a flare wrench or deep socket.
What do you mean "give me a break", Al? My only point was that the
assemblies today *are* better than what they used to use and it's not a
huge
job to replace a bulb. Sure - they could have put a cut out in there so
you
could just reach in and twist out or pull out the offending bulb, but
come
on - it's not that big of a deal to take off a nut. 15 minutes would be
quite on the long side of that job. I supposed if you stopped for a
cigaretter or maybe a little... well, we won't go there.
Hi...
Just the next step on the greed driven throwaway world path of big
business.
Next, someone somewhere will raise a stink about the crazing/fogging
of the interior, and before we know it we'll be fixing a burned out
bulb by replacing a 300 dollar headlamp "module".
It goes without saying that replacing this module will require
special tools :)
Take care.
Ken
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Which raises a good point Ken. The other day I had to change a parking
light in my 98 Regal. I didn't know the bulb was gone until I was driving
down the road and the flasher was running at double speed. So - I pulled
into the local Advance Auto and picked up an 1147.
In the old days I would either have had to get down on my knees in the
parking lot to reach up under the fender (never a clean job), or grab a
phillips or a torex driver to take the lens off. Neither approach are
terribly difficult but one is dirty and the other requires that I have the
right tool with me. Instead, now all I had to do was slide two plastic
retainer slides down about 1/2 inch and pull out the headlamp module which
gave me clear and easy access to replace the bulb. Put it back in place,
slide the plastic slides back in that lock it down and head down the
highway. Every bulb for the front end of the car is contained within the
headlamp module, and access could not be easier.
To the OP's point, if the rear module was secured in a similar manner to
what the headlamp module is, then it too could be a completely tool-less
maintenance point. It does require a socket to remove the nut that secures
it. I just don't consider that to be such a big deal. For those to whom
the use of a socket is a major affront, I would suggest getting a wingnut
and replacing the factory nut with the wing nut. That'll take care of that
socket wrench issue. My daughter's old '94 Sunbird used finger nuts to
secure the tail lamp modules. One could get ahold of a couple of those and
use them in place of the Buick factory hex nut too.
--
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Al Tsiemers
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 5:20 pm Post subject:
Re: LeSabre bulb replacement |
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in
news:77d86$4381a4d4$45289579$5289@ALLTEL.NET:
On the 2000 LeSabre, you needed to remove 3 of the 5 nuts on 1.5 inch
posts. It was not obvious which 3 needed to come off in the end. The
posts were too tall for even my deep sockets, which I got on my second
trip to the basement, and I ended up making a third trip for tools, and
using a flare nut wrench.
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"Ken Weitzel" <kweitzel@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Slbgf.555569$1i.139953@pd7tw2no...
Mike Marlow wrote:
"Al Tsiemers" <Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9714A0CCC99B6666@69.28.186.121...
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in
news:86a5e$43800e7c $45289579$7257@ALLTEL.NET:
Give me a break. Same sockets they've used for 15 years. Like they
can't design a lens to drain moisture.
His original complaint was about the changing of a 2 minute,
toolless
job
into a 15 minute job requiring a flare wrench or deep socket.
What do you mean "give me a break", Al? My only point was that the
assemblies today *are* better than what they used to use and it's
not a
huge
job to replace a bulb. Sure - they could have put a cut out in
there so
you
could just reach in and twist out or pull out the offending bulb,
but
come
on - it's not that big of a deal to take off a nut. 15 minutes
would be quite on the long side of that job. I supposed if you
stopped for a cigaretter or maybe a little... well, we won't go
there.
Hi...
Just the next step on the greed driven throwaway world path of big
business.
Next, someone somewhere will raise a stink about the crazing/fogging
of the interior, and before we know it we'll be fixing a burned out
bulb by replacing a 300 dollar headlamp "module".
It goes without saying that replacing this module will require
special tools :)
Take care.
Ken
Which raises a good point Ken. The other day I had to change a
parking light in my 98 Regal. I didn't know the bulb was gone until I
was driving down the road and the flasher was running at double speed.
So - I pulled into the local Advance Auto and picked up an 1147.
In the old days I would either have had to get down on my knees in the
parking lot to reach up under the fender (never a clean job), or grab
a phillips or a torex driver to take the lens off. Neither approach
are terribly difficult but one is dirty and the other requires that I
have the right tool with me. Instead, now all I had to do was slide
two plastic retainer slides down about 1/2 inch and pull out the
headlamp module which gave me clear and easy access to replace the
bulb. Put it back in place, slide the plastic slides back in that
lock it down and head down the highway. Every bulb for the front end
of the car is contained within the headlamp module, and access could
not be easier.
To the OP's point, if the rear module was secured in a similar manner
to what the headlamp module is, then it too could be a completely
tool-less maintenance point. It does require a socket to remove the
nut that secures it. I just don't consider that to be such a big
deal. For those to whom the use of a socket is a major affront, I
would suggest getting a wingnut and replacing the factory nut with the
wing nut. That'll take care of that socket wrench issue. My
daughter's old '94 Sunbird used finger nuts to secure the tail lamp
modules. One could get ahold of a couple of those and use them in
place of the Buick factory hex nut too.
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Mike Marlow
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject:
Re: LeSabre bulb replacement |
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"Al Tsiemers" <Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in
news:77d86$4381a4d4$45289579$5289@ALLTEL.NET:
On the 2000 LeSabre, you needed to remove 3 of the 5 nuts on 1.5 inch
posts. It was not obvious which 3 needed to come off in the end. The
posts were too tall for even my deep sockets, which I got on my second
trip to the basement, and I ended up making a third trip for tools, and
using a flare nut wrench.
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The 2000 LeSabre is definitely different than either my earlier Park Ave
(92) or my Regal (98) then. Though - a 1.5 inch stud should have posed no
problem for your deep socket. That's not much of a stud length. On my
Regal, most of the fasteners are finger nuts with one hex nut for each tail
light module. I admit to wondering why they didn't just use finger nuts all
the way. Maybe they ran out...
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-Mike-
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Cal
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:16 am Post subject:
Re: LeSabre bulb replacement |
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The job was quite easy, but my point was that the actual procedure used to
change the bulb differed greatly from the procedure outlined in the original
owner's manual. Nothing in the owner's manual indicated that three nuts had
to be removed and the whole assembly removed before accessing the bulb
holder. The manual just said to pull back the carpet and turn the bulb
holder a 1/4 turn.
Thank you all for your responses.
Cal.
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
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"Al Tsiemers" <Al.Tsiemers@IForgot.net> wrote in message
news:Xns971536684DDD6666@69.28.186.121...
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in
news:77d86$4381a4d4$45289579$5289@ALLTEL.NET:
On the 2000 LeSabre, you needed to remove 3 of the 5 nuts on 1.5 inch
posts. It was not obvious which 3 needed to come off in the end. The
posts were too tall for even my deep sockets, which I got on my second
trip to the basement, and I ended up making a third trip for tools, and
using a flare nut wrench.
The 2000 LeSabre is definitely different than either my earlier Park Ave
(92) or my Regal (98) then. Though - a 1.5 inch stud should have posed no
problem for your deep socket. That's not much of a stud length. On my
Regal, most of the fasteners are finger nuts with one hex nut for each
tail
light module. I admit to wondering why they didn't just use finger nuts
all
the way. Maybe they ran out...
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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