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Outsider
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Thu May 12, 2005 1:13 am Post subject:
Corolla seatbelt warning incorrect (sometimes) |
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I seem to remember seeing this in relation to a Sienna but I am not 100%
sure. The seatbelt indicator on my 1999 Corolla LE is sometimes off when
the belt is not pulled out and off when the belt is pulled around me [this
is correct] but at other times it is OFF when the belt is fully retracted
and BLINKING when wrapped around me (and clicked, of course). Having never
driven without a seatbelt for the last 32 years the light is quite an
irritant. If I pull the belt out just a little bit further the light goes
off again so I guess I could gain another 10 pounds or so!
Does anyone know anything about this? Will it affect my side/front airbag
deploy? Any other info appreciated.
Andy
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Ray O
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Thu May 12, 2005 6:53 am Post subject:
Re: Corolla seatbelt warning incorrect (sometimes) |
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"Outsider" <not@this_address.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I seem to remember seeing this in relation to a Sienna but I am not 100%
sure. The seatbelt indicator on my 1999 Corolla LE is sometimes off when
the belt is not pulled out and off when the belt is pulled around me [this
is correct] but at other times it is OFF when the belt is fully retracted
and BLINKING when wrapped around me (and clicked, of course). Having
never
driven without a seatbelt for the last 32 years the light is quite an
irritant. If I pull the belt out just a little bit further the light goes
off again so I guess I could gain another 10 pounds or so!
Does anyone know anything about this? Will it affect my side/front airbag
deploy? Any other info appreciated.
Andy
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When you say "my" seatbelt I'm assuming that you are referring to the
driver's seat belt and not the passenger seat belt. Check the opening in
seat belt receptacle to see if anything is stuck in there like a coin. A
foreign object in the receptacle is the most common cause of your complaint.
When the seat belt light is blinking, the belt may feel like it is secured
but it probably is not because the foreign object makes if feel like it is
engaged. The airbags offer a lot less protection if the seatbelt is not
worn properly and securely because if the latch releases, your body won't be
positioned correctly for the airbags to work.
The switch in the seatbelt receptacles are very reliable - I've never seen
one fail but I have seen lots of coins, paper clips, hair pins, spilled
liquid residue in there.
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Ray O
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Outsider
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Fri May 13, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:
Re: Corolla seatbelt warning incorrect (sometimes) |
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in
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"Outsider" <not@this_address.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9653A512CBEEDoutsideroutnet@69.28.186.158...
I seem to remember seeing this in relation to a Sienna but I am not
100%
sure. The seatbelt indicator on my 1999 Corolla LE is sometimes off
when the belt is not pulled out and off when the belt is pulled
around me [this is correct] but at other times it is OFF when the
belt is fully retracted and BLINKING when wrapped around me (and
clicked, of course). Having never
driven without a seatbelt for the last 32 years the light is quite an
irritant. If I pull the belt out just a little bit further the light
goes off again so I guess I could gain another 10 pounds or so!
Does anyone know anything about this? Will it affect my side/front
airbag deploy? Any other info appreciated.
Andy
When you say "my" seatbelt I'm assuming that you are referring to the
driver's seat belt and not the passenger seat belt. Check the opening
in seat belt receptacle to see if anything is stuck in there like a
coin. A foreign object in the receptacle is the most common cause of
your complaint. When the seat belt light is blinking, the belt may
feel like it is secured but it probably is not because the foreign
object makes if feel like it is engaged. The airbags offer a lot less
protection if the seatbelt is not worn properly and securely because
if the latch releases, your body won't be positioned correctly for the
airbags to work.
The switch in the seatbelt receptacles are very reliable - I've never
seen one fail but I have seen lots of coins, paper clips, hair pins,
spilled liquid residue in there.
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Correct Ray, the seatbelt is the driver side. I will get in there with
with a good flashlight and check for objects. Thanks for the response.
Andy
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Ray O
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Fri May 13, 2005 2:04 am Post subject:
Re: Corolla seatbelt warning incorrect (sometimes) |
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"Outsider" <not@this_address.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9654A54E48C45outsideroutnet@69.28.186.158...
| Quote: | "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in
news:c02a4$4282b72e$180fead6$17807@msgid.meganewsservers.com:
"Outsider" <not@this_address.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9653A512CBEEDoutsideroutnet@69.28.186.158...
I seem to remember seeing this in relation to a Sienna but I am not
100%
sure. The seatbelt indicator on my 1999 Corolla LE is sometimes off
when the belt is not pulled out and off when the belt is pulled
around me [this is correct] but at other times it is OFF when the
belt is fully retracted and BLINKING when wrapped around me (and
clicked, of course). Having never
driven without a seatbelt for the last 32 years the light is quite an
irritant. If I pull the belt out just a little bit further the light
goes off again so I guess I could gain another 10 pounds or so!
Does anyone know anything about this? Will it affect my side/front
airbag deploy? Any other info appreciated.
Andy
When you say "my" seatbelt I'm assuming that you are referring to the
driver's seat belt and not the passenger seat belt. Check the opening
in seat belt receptacle to see if anything is stuck in there like a
coin. A foreign object in the receptacle is the most common cause of
your complaint. When the seat belt light is blinking, the belt may
feel like it is secured but it probably is not because the foreign
object makes if feel like it is engaged. The airbags offer a lot less
protection if the seatbelt is not worn properly and securely because
if the latch releases, your body won't be positioned correctly for the
airbags to work.
The switch in the seatbelt receptacles are very reliable - I've never
seen one fail but I have seen lots of coins, paper clips, hair pins,
spilled liquid residue in there.
Correct Ray, the seatbelt is the driver side. I will get in there with
with a good flashlight and check for objects. Thanks for the response.
Andy
A stiff paper clip wire or coat hanger wire with an L-shaped bend at the end |
makes a good seat belt receptacle foreign object getter outer.
Good luck!
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Ray O
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Ray O
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Fri May 13, 2005 3:44 am Post subject:
Re: Corolla seatbelt warning incorrect (sometimes) |
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in message news:...
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"Outsider" <not@this_address.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9653A512CBEEDoutsideroutnet@69.28.186.158...
I seem to remember seeing this in relation to a Sienna but I am not 100%
sure. The seatbelt indicator on my 1999 Corolla LE is sometimes off when
the belt is not pulled out and off when the belt is pulled around me
[this
is correct] but at other times it is OFF when the belt is fully retracted
and BLINKING when wrapped around me (and clicked, of course). Having
never
driven without a seatbelt for the last 32 years the light is quite an
irritant. If I pull the belt out just a little bit further the light
goes
off again so I guess I could gain another 10 pounds or so!
Does anyone know anything about this? Will it affect my side/front
airbag
deploy? Any other info appreciated.
Andy
When you say "my" seatbelt I'm assuming that you are referring to the
driver's seat belt and not the passenger seat belt. Check the opening in
seat belt receptacle to see if anything is stuck in there like a coin. A
foreign object in the receptacle is the most common cause of your
complaint. When the seat belt light is blinking, the belt may feel like it
is secured but it probably is not because the foreign object makes if feel
like it is engaged. The airbags offer a lot less protection if the
seatbelt is not worn properly and securely because if the latch releases,
your body won't be positioned correctly for the airbags to work.
The switch in the seatbelt receptacles are very reliable - I've never seen
one fail but I have seen lots of coins, paper clips, hair pins, spilled
liquid residue in there.
--
Ray O
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Let us know what you find in the receptacle!
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Ray O
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Outsider
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Sun May 15, 2005 12:14 am Post subject:
Re: Corolla seatbelt warning incorrect (sometimes) |
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OK, after inspecting the belt mechanics as much as I can without
disassembly it strikes me we are on different wavelengths here. When you
say receptacle I NOW imagine you mean the snap thing. If so, this is NOT
how my belt determines worn/not worn. The snap is easily seen and there is
no wiring going to it at all. The way my belt does worn/not worn is by how
far the belt is pulled from the roller (in the door post). Now, I WAS able
to pull the cowling off slightly and look inside there and down at the
roller but not enough to see what does the sensing. A switch in the snap
would be great! Don't know why that is not the case.
So, the question is do I understand you right; do other Corollas have
switches in the snap like normal cars?
Andy |
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Ray O
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Mon May 16, 2005 8:14 am Post subject:
Re: Corolla seatbelt warning incorrect (sometimes) |
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"Outsider" <not@this_address.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | OK, after inspecting the belt mechanics as much as I can without
disassembly it strikes me we are on different wavelengths here. When you
say receptacle I NOW imagine you mean the snap thing. If so, this is NOT
how my belt determines worn/not worn. The snap is easily seen and there
is
no wiring going to it at all. The way my belt does worn/not worn is by
how
far the belt is pulled from the roller (in the door post). Now, I WAS
able
to pull the cowling off slightly and look inside there and down at the
roller but not enough to see what does the sensing. A switch in the snap
would be great! Don't know why that is not the case.
So, the question is do I understand you right; do other Corollas have
switches in the snap like normal cars?
Andy
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I am not familiar with the seat belt in your car but I have never seen a
seat belt warning circuit set up like you are describing. This is because
of the wide range of occupant sizes, and it would be possible to defeat the
flashing light just by pulling the seat belt out far enough In other words,
how would the car know if the occupant has a 30 inch waist or a 50 inch
waist, especially given that the seat can slide forward and back?
The wiring is more likely in the female receptacle, what you are calling the
"snap thing." If the chimes and warning light go out when you snap the seat
belt in and not when you just pull out the belt, then it has to be in the
receptacle. More likely, you can't see the wires.
Did you look inside the receptacle and poke around?
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Ray O
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Gord Beaman
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Mon May 16, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Corolla seatbelt warning incorrect (sometimes) |
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
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"Outsider" <not@this_address.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9656C170887D9outsideroutnet@69.28.186.158...
OK, after inspecting the belt mechanics as much as I can without
disassembly it strikes me we are on different wavelengths here. When you
say receptacle I NOW imagine you mean the snap thing. If so, this is NOT
how my belt determines worn/not worn. The snap is easily seen and there
is
no wiring going to it at all. The way my belt does worn/not worn is by
how
far the belt is pulled from the roller (in the door post). Now, I WAS
able
to pull the cowling off slightly and look inside there and down at the
roller but not enough to see what does the sensing. A switch in the snap
would be great! Don't know why that is not the case.
So, the question is do I understand you right; do other Corollas have
switches in the snap like normal cars?
Andy
I am not familiar with the seat belt in your car but I have never seen a
seat belt warning circuit set up like you are describing. This is because
of the wide range of occupant sizes, and it would be possible to defeat the
flashing light just by pulling the seat belt out far enough In other words,
how would the car know if the occupant has a 30 inch waist or a 50 inch
waist, especially given that the seat can slide forward and back?
The wiring is more likely in the female receptacle, what you are calling the
"snap thing." If the chimes and warning light go out when you snap the seat
belt in and not when you just pull out the belt, then it has to be in the
receptacle. More likely, you can't see the wires.
Did you look inside the receptacle and poke around?
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Don't forget that some makes use a 'weight switch' also...IOW a
switch mounted 'under' the seat which tells whether there's an
occupant sitting there...
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-Gord.
Keep in mind that I'm an expert with
questions, so if you have any, fire
away.
Be aware however, that answers
quite often give me trouble. |
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Outsider
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Tue May 17, 2005 12:17 am Post subject:
Re: Corolla seatbelt warning incorrect (sometimes) |
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote in
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"Outsider" <not@this_address.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9656C170887D9outsideroutnet@69.28.186.158...
OK, after inspecting the belt mechanics as much as I can without
disassembly it strikes me we are on different wavelengths here. When
you say receptacle I NOW imagine you mean the snap thing. If so,
this is NOT how my belt determines worn/not worn. The snap is easily
seen and there is
no wiring going to it at all. The way my belt does worn/not worn is
by how
far the belt is pulled from the roller (in the door post). Now, I
WAS able
to pull the cowling off slightly and look inside there and down at
the roller but not enough to see what does the sensing. A switch in
the snap would be great! Don't know why that is not the case.
So, the question is do I understand you right; do other Corollas have
switches in the snap like normal cars?
Andy
I am not familiar with the seat belt in your car but I have never seen
a seat belt warning circuit set up like you are describing. This is
because of the wide range of occupant sizes, and it would be possible
to defeat the flashing light just by pulling the seat belt out far
enough In other words, how would the car know if the occupant has a
30 inch waist or a 50 inch waist, especially given that the seat can
slide forward and back?
The wiring is more likely in the female receptacle, what you are
calling the "snap thing." If the chimes and warning light go out when
you snap the seat belt in and not when you just pull out the belt,
then it has to be in the receptacle. More likely, you can't see the
wires.
Did you look inside the receptacle and poke around?
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Trust me here, there is no switch inside the recepticle and no place to
hide wires AND the belt has never waited to be plugged into the receptacle
to switch off. Strange but true. While in "reverse mode" pulling the belt
out further turns the indicator off even though it has been plugged in all
the time. I have never seen such a thing either but it is the case. This
is a 99 corolla with side air bags if I failed to indicate that. |
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Outsider
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Thu May 19, 2005 5:47 am Post subject:
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Outsider <not@this_address.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | Trust me here, there is no switch inside the recepticle and no place
to hide wires AND the belt has never waited to be plugged into the
receptacle to switch off. Strange but true. While in "reverse mode"
pulling the belt out further turns the indicator off even though it
has been plugged in all the time. I have never seen such a thing
either but it is the case. This is a 99 corolla with side air bags if
I failed to indicate that.
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image link bellow = Recepticle from both sides. Flat steel about 1/8"
thick and 1 1/4" wide. No wires, no switches. If anyone knows how to
access Toyota parts drawings/info via net (expect that is not likely) let
me know otherwise I appreciate the time. I will take the full cowling off
the door post and examine the roller up close and see how it works and
hopefully why it whacks out now and then.
Later,
Andy
http://www.panix.com/~outsider/corolla/recepticle.jpg |
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TeGGeR®
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Thu May 19, 2005 6:14 am Post subject:
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Outsider <not@this_address.com> wrote in
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access Toyota parts drawings/info via net (expect that is not likely)
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Sure it is.
http://techinfo.toyota.com
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Outsider
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Thu May 19, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject:
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"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
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| Quote: | Outsider <not@this_address.com> wrote in
news:Xns965AD36DB586Coutsideroutnet@69.28.186.158:
If anyone knows how to
access Toyota parts drawings/info via net (expect that is not likely)
Sure it is.
http://techinfo.toyota.com
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Excellent! $10 for one day access and I now have all the info on the
affected switch. Thanks TeGGeR! I know just what I plan to do now.
Andy |
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smokeybear
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Wed May 25, 2005 8:15 am Post subject:
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"Outsider" wrote:
| Quote: | I seem to remember seeing this in relation to a Sienna but I
am not 100%
sure. The seatbelt indicator on my 1999 Corolla LE is
sometimes off when
the belt is not pulled out and off when the belt is pulled
around me [this
is correct] but at other times it is OFF when the belt is
fully retracted
and BLINKING when wrapped around me (and clicked, of course).
Having never
driven without a seatbelt for the last 32 years the light is
quite an
irritant. If I pull the belt out just a little bit further
the light goes
off again so I guess I could gain another 10 pounds or so!
Does anyone know anything about this? Will it affect my
side/front airbag
deploy? Any other info appreciated.
Andy
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i also have a 98 corolla with the exact same problem with driver side
seat belt.light is flashing until i pull out about 2 more inches of
the belt.hope someone can tell us the correction
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smokeybear <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | "Outsider" wrote:
I seem to remember seeing this in relation to a Sienna but I
am not 100%
sure. The seatbelt indicator on my 1999 Corolla LE is
sometimes off when
the belt is not pulled out and off when the belt is pulled
i also have a 98 corolla with the exact same problem with driver side
seat belt.light is flashing until i pull out about 2 more inches of
the belt.hope someone can tell us the correction
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The part that is defective is the seatbelt retractor switch. I have not
"gone in" yet but all I plan to do on mine is disable the switch since I am
the only driver and after driver over 30 years with a seatbelt I don't
really need to be reminded. If you need the indicator to work correctly
you will need to replace the seatbelt retractor switch or try to repair it.
Two separate documents describe the switch as open and closed with seatbelt
worn so I don't yet know if I will need to unplug the switch or unplug then
jump the connector.
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Outsider
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Sun May 29, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject:
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Outsider <not@this_address.com> wrote in
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| Quote: | smokeybear <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in
news:1_591130_47009978ec851276ccee9dd8deae9892@autoforumz.com:
"Outsider" wrote:
I seem to remember seeing this in relation to a Sienna but I
am not 100%
sure. The seatbelt indicator on my 1999 Corolla LE is
sometimes off when
the belt is not pulled out and off when the belt is pulled
i also have a 98 corolla with the exact same problem with driver side
seat belt.light is flashing until i pull out about 2 more inches of
the belt.hope someone can tell us the correction
The part that is defective is the seatbelt retractor switch. I have
not "gone in" yet but all I plan to do on mine is disable the switch
since I am the only driver and after driver over 30 years with a
seatbelt I don't really need to be reminded. If you need the
indicator to work correctly you will need to replace the seatbelt
retractor switch or try to repair it. Two separate documents describe
the switch as open and closed with seatbelt worn so I don't yet know
if I will need to unplug the switch or unplug then jump the connector.
Andy
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To follow up. While I don't offer this as a recommendation, if one wants
to disable the seatbelt indicator and is willing to assume responsibility
for those who may need the indicator to remind them to wear the belt (!)
you must remove the plug from the SB retractor and provide a jumper on the
plug to simulate the retractor. at this point you will no longer have a
belt warning indication.
Andy |
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