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Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:08 am Post subject:
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What I have always wondered about for a while is about the mechanical
design of automobile transmissions.
I am only about 6'1" but with legs of a 6'3" and it annoys me to be
boxed in the cars, especially the so called sports luxury cars, where
the freaking transmission sits between the driver and passenger and I
cannot stretch my legs on long trips.
I do not know of any non American cars with bench seats.
What I don't understand is this .
Why the hell should the transmission sit in between driver and
passenger ? Even in those cars where the control is on the steering
column, it looks like the transmission is under the area in front of
the front seats . Why ? why can't you place the transmission near the
engine and use electronic controls to change gears (at least in auto
transmission cars)
It annoys me to see a 70,000 Mercedes that boxes my legs into a
cramped area. This sux
What is wrong with split bench type bucket seats ?
Isn't also more < romantic > ?
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:43 am Post subject:
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On 27 Oct 2005 18:08:37 -0700 karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | It annoys me to see a 70,000 Mercedes that boxes my legs into a
cramped area. This sux
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Try a Corvette - now THAT sucks.
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:06 am Post subject:
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mst wrote:
| Quote: | On 27 Oct 2005 18:08:37 -0700 karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
It annoys me to see a 70,000 Mercedes that boxes my legs into a
cramped area. This sux
Try a Corvette - now THAT sucks.
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Bob
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
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<karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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mst wrote:
On 27 Oct 2005 18:08:37 -0700 karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
It annoys me to see a 70,000 Mercedes that boxes my legs into a
cramped area. This sux
Try a Corvette - now THAT sucks.
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Well it DOES.........for some of us
Personally I would prefer a split bucket bench or even a bench seat car
anyday to the most expensive pretentious vain overprized crap like
Corvette
You totally miss my point. I am talking about NOT having to
sacrifice comfort
What is wrong if everything is same the Corvette but if gearshift
control was on the steering column and the area between seats if free
to move your legs. I am not saya ing everyone would prefer it but there
will be s significant % that would prefer it.
How much ? I do not know but at least 25% which is good enough to
justify another model with such a design
Yet you missed (or just prefer to troll because you are clueless about
technical issues) the central issue of my quetion.
Vain moron............goodbye
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Bob
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
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<karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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mst wrote:
On 27 Oct 2005 18:08:37 -0700 karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
It annoys me to see a 70,000 Mercedes that boxes my legs into a
cramped area. This sux
Try a Corvette - now THAT sucks.
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Well it DOES.........for some of us
Personally I would prefer a split bucket bench or even a bench seat car
anyday to the most expensive pretentious vain overprized crap like
Corvette
You totally miss my point. I am talking about NOT having to
sacrifice comfort
What is wrong if everything is same the Corvette but if gearshift
control was on the steering column and the area between seats if free
to move your legs. I am not saya ing everyone would prefer it but there
will be s significant % that would prefer it.
How much ? I do not know but at least 25% which is good enough to
justify another model with such a design
Yet you missed (or just prefer to troll because you are clueless about
technical issues) the central issue of my quetion.
Vain moron............goodbye
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Sure thing... a vette with three on the tree and a bench seat...... and you
call him a moron.......lmfao!
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C. E. White
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
Re: Design of automobile transmissions |
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<karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | What I have always wondered about for a while is about the mechanical
design of automobile transmissions.
I am only about 6'1" but with legs of a 6'3" and it annoys me to be
boxed in the cars, especially the so called sports luxury cars, where
the freaking transmission sits between the driver and passenger and I
cannot stretch my legs on long trips.
I do not know of any non American cars with bench seats.
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I think some of the older Avalons offered them as an option.
| Quote: | What I don't understand is this .
Why the hell should the transmission sit in between driver and
passenger ? Even in those cars where the control is on the steering
column, it looks like the transmission is under the area in front of
the front seats . Why ? why can't you place the transmission near the
engine and use electronic controls to change gears (at least in auto
transmission cars)
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Not all cars have the transmission between the seats. Most transverse engine
front wheel drive cars have it either beside, in front of, or under the
engine. Such cars still usually have a small tunnel for routing the exhaust
pipe. Plus the tunnel acts to stiffen the floor pan. For rear wheel drive
cars, the transmission is usually bolted directly to the rear of the engine.
In order to distribute the weight of the engine and transmission as evenly
as possible between the front and rear wheels, designers usually try to
position the engine and transmission as far to the rear as possible. The
tunnel you are complaining about has to provide room for the engine,
transmission, exhaust manifolds and pipes, wiring, etc., etc. Vee style
engines are wider than the inline engines, so the tunnel has to be
particularly wide near the front of the passenger compartment. Automatic
transmissions tend to be particularly large and require more room in the
tunnel than manual transmissions. Older cars sat up higher, and therefore
the tunnel was smaller. There are also older designs that pushed the
passenger compartment towards the rear of the car However, if you want a
spacious four seat passenger compartment and a useful trunk, this makes for
a very long car. There have been cars in the past that separated the
transmission from the engine. Instead of having the transmission directly
behind the engine, it is relocated to the rear of the car and combined with
the final drive. The engine and transmission are connected by a relatively
long high speed drive shaft. These have been done to have vibration
problems.
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It annoys me to see a 70,000 Mercedes that boxes my legs into a
cramped area. This sux
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Try one the large front wheel drive cars instead, like a Toyota Avalon or
Buick La Crosse. You might also find a Ford Crown Victoria meets your needs.
| Quote: | What is wrong with split bench type bucket seats ?
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Just out of fashion. If manufacturer's thought they would sell more cars,
they would make them available. The last car I owned with a split front
bench seat was a 1989 Ford Taurus Wagon. My Mom's Grand Marquis has a bench
seat - and the tunnel is very small - very much an old style car.
| Quote: | Isn't also more < romantic > ?
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Hmmmmmm
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Ted Mittelstaedt
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
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<karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130461717.569262.220330@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | What I have always wondered about for a while is about the mechanical
design of automobile transmissions.
I am only about 6'1" but with legs of a 6'3" and it annoys me to be
boxed in the cars, especially the so called sports luxury cars, where
the freaking transmission sits between the driver and passenger and I
cannot stretch my legs on long trips.
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I would strongly suggest you try driving a minivan a while. Legroom
is far better in these, even for the driver.
Ted |
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:12 am Post subject:
Re: Design of automobile transmissions |
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mst wrote:
| Quote: | On 27 Oct 2005 18:08:37 -0700 karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
It annoys me to see a 70,000 Mercedes that boxes my legs into a
cramped area. This sux
Try a Corvette - now THAT sucks.
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Well it DOES.........for some of us
Personally I would prefer a split bucket bench or even a bench seat car
anyday to the most expensive pretentious vain overprized crap like
Corvette
You totally miss my point. I am talking about NOT having to
sacrifice comfort
What is wrong if everything is same the Corvette but if gearshift
control was on the steering column and the area between seats if free
to move your legs. I am not saya ing everyone would prefer it but there
will be s significant % that would prefer it.
How much ? I do not know but at least 25% which is good enough to
justify another model with such a design
Yet you missed (or just prefer to troll because you are clueless about
technical issues) the central issue of my quetion.
Vain moron............goodbye |
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N8N
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:36 pm Post subject:
Re: Design of automobile transmissions |
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karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | mst wrote:
On 27 Oct 2005 18:08:37 -0700 karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
It annoys me to see a 70,000 Mercedes that boxes my legs into a
cramped area. This sux
Try a Corvette - now THAT sucks.
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Well it DOES.........for some of us
Personally I would prefer a split bucket bench or even a bench seat car
anyday to the most expensive pretentious vain overprized crap like
Corvette
You totally miss my point. I am talking about NOT having to
sacrifice comfort
What is wrong if everything is same the Corvette but if gearshift
control was on the steering column and the area between seats if free
to move your legs. I am not saya ing everyone would prefer it but there
will be s significant % that would prefer it.
How much ? I do not know but at least 25% which is good enough to
justify another model with such a design
Yet you missed (or just prefer to troll because you are clueless about
technical issues) the central issue of my quetion.
Vain moron............goodbye
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Tell ya what, I'll trade you Vlad the Impala (complete with column
shift and split bench) for that Corvette you don't want.
Problem is, bench seats and column shifters are seen as "low rent" so
only the completely suckiest cars get them.
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject:
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"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:Bvh8f.1034
| Quote: | Not all cars have the transmission between the seats. Most transverse
engine
front wheel drive cars have it either beside, in front of, or under the
engine.
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It confused me for a moment too, CE, but she or he means the shifter, not
the
tranny.
And there are cars that you can buy that have the shifter on the column, and
individually adjustable bench type front seats. My wife's Buick has that
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject:
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HLS@nospam.nix wrote in article
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It confused me for a moment too, CE, but she or he means the shifter, not
the
tranny.
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Actually, I DO believe she was talking about the transmission itself....and
the "hump" it needs in the floor.....
• • Karen_2005_z wrote:
• • What I don't understand is this .
Why the hell should the transmission sit in between driver and
passenger ?
• • Even in those cars where the control is on the steering
column, it looks like the transmission is under the area in front of
the front seats . Why ?
• • • • why can't you place the transmission near the
engine and use electronic controls to change gears (at least in auto
transmission cars)
If she actually knew what she was talking about, she would KNOW that the
transmission couldn't get any closer to the engine in most RWD cars such as
hers since it is attached directly to the engine.
Then she questions the technical knowledge of another poster by saying.....
• • Yet you missed (or just prefer to troll because you are clueless about
technical issues) the central issue of my quetion. |
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject:
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"*" <nospam@this.addy.com> wrote in message
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HLS@nospam.nix wrote in article
dTm8f.7398$7h7.5536@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...
It confused me for a moment too, CE, but she or he means the shifter,
not
the
tranny.
Actually, I DO believe she was talking about the transmission
itself....and
the "hump" it needs in the floor.....
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Could be. I havent seen a car with a transmission hump lately. In the
good old days, the hump was in the back seat too;>) |
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John S.
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject:
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karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | What I have always wondered about for a while is about the mechanical
design of automobile transmissions.
I am only about 6'1" but with legs of a 6'3" and it annoys me to be
boxed in the cars, especially the so called sports luxury cars, where
the freaking transmission sits between the driver and passenger and I
cannot stretch my legs on long trips.
I do not know of any non American cars with bench seats.
What I don't understand is this .
Why the hell should the transmission sit in between driver and
passenger ? Even in those cars where the control is on the steering
column, it looks like the transmission is under the area in front of
the front seats . Why ? why can't you place the transmission near the
engine and use electronic controls to change gears (at least in auto
transmission cars)
It annoys me to see a 70,000 Mercedes that boxes my legs into a
cramped area. This sux
What is wrong with split bench type bucket seats ?
Isn't also more < romantic > ?
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Get a Lincoln Navigator or a Chevy Caprice ...plenty of leg room.
Actually I'm long legged 6 feet and 180 pounds and have no problem
getting into mid-sized Volvo V70 wagons. Is there another "size" issue
your are not telling us about? |
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Steve
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject:
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karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | I do not know of any non American cars with bench seats.
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So buy an American car. Get a full-size front-drive American car (eg. a
Cadillac DTS), and you get a nearly flat floorboard AND a bench seat.
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What I don't understand is this .
Why the hell should the transmission sit in between driver and
passenger ?
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In a conventional rear-drive car, the transmission has to lie between
the engine (front) and the rear wheels. OR, you can do it like the
Corvette C5/C6, and put the transmission between the rear wheels (a rear
transAXLE) and avoid the problem. Its nothing to do with where the
"control" (I presume you mean the gearshift lever) is located. FWD cars
have had the transmission out by the left front wheel (in most cases-
IIRC Hondas have it on the right side) for YEARS, and have variously
located both manual and automatic shifters between the seats or on the
steering column. Chryslers had pushbutton gear selectors on the
dashboard and a transmission under the floor for YEARS back in the 50s.
| Quote: | It annoys me to see a 70,000 Mercedes that boxes my legs into a
cramped area. This sux
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Yes. Mercedes sux. They're overpriced and overcomplicated, and I still
haven't forgiven Daimler for screwing-over Chrysler. Its a matter of
great amusement to me that the Chrysler group is currently carrying the
burden of keeping Mercedes in business because Mercedes can't make a
profit on their own.. in SPITE of grossly over-priced cars. |
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mst
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:06 am Post subject:
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On 27 Oct 2005 20:14:34 -0700 karen_2005_zs@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Try a Corvette - now THAT sucks.
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Well it DOES.........for some of us
Personally I would prefer a split bucket bench or even a bench seat car
anyday to the most expensive pretentious vain overprized crap like
Corvette
You totally miss my point.
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I didnt miss your point - you didnt
see the sarcasm in mine.
And if you want to talk technical, if you dont understand
why a tranny is where is it and the bulkiness of it and
why there is a hump where it is, then, you're ...
Oh, never mind. Because of your lack of technical knowledge
of vehicles and their engineering requirements, it would
be fruitless to try and explain.
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