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Scott C
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:42 am Post subject:
BMW 545 vs Acura RL |
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Test drove the Acura RL today - a nice car, for $10K less, same equipment,
as the 545. Provides an interesting choice. Standard on the RL is a Nav
System, heated seats, 6 disk CD changer, remote fuel door release, trunk
pass through, voice activated controls, RF key - no key needed in steering,
plus a few other things I have forgot.. RL is 300HP, 260lb torque, 545 is
325 HP, 330lb torque. I did not like the car as much as the BMW, but it's
$10K less - there are no options, all standard equipment.
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JD
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:42 am Post subject:
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"Scott C" <sns1820@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Test drove the Acura RL today - a nice car, for $10K less, same equipment,
as the 545. Provides an interesting choice. Standard on the RL is a Nav
System, heated seats, 6 disk CD changer, remote fuel door release, trunk
pass through, voice activated controls, RF key - no key needed in
steering,
plus a few other things I have forgot.. RL is 300HP, 260lb torque, 545 is
325 HP, 330lb torque. I did not like the car as much as the BMW, but it's
$10K less - there are no options, all standard equipment.
sc
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The disappointment of the 2nd choice lingers on much longer than the thrill
of the lower price....
JD |
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bfd
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: BMW 545 vs Acura RL |
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"Scott C" <sns1820@aol.com> wrote in message
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Test drove the Acura RL today - a nice car, for $10K less, same
equipment,
as the 545. Provides an interesting choice. Standard on the RL is a Nav
System, heated seats, 6 disk CD changer, remote fuel door release, trunk
pass through, voice activated controls, RF key - no key needed in
steering,
plus a few other things I have forgot.. RL is 300HP, 260lb torque, 545 is
325 HP, 330lb torque. I did not like the car as much as the BMW, but it's
$10K less - there are no options, all standard equipment.
sc
The disappointment of the 2nd choice lingers on much longer than the
thrill
of the lower price....
More importantly, you state that you *drove* the Acura RL, have you ever |
driven a 545i? If so, which one did you prefer? If you couldn't tell the
difference, then save $10K and get the Acura....
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Somebody
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: BMW 545 vs Acura RL |
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"bfd" <bfd853@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"JD" <MrJackDanielsBlack@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Scott C" <sns1820@aol.com> wrote in message
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Test drove the Acura RL today - a nice car, for $10K less, same
equipment,
as the 545. Provides an interesting choice. Standard on the RL is a Nav
System, heated seats, 6 disk CD changer, remote fuel door release,
trunk
pass through, voice activated controls, RF key - no key needed in
steering,
plus a few other things I have forgot.. RL is 300HP, 260lb torque, 545
is
325 HP, 330lb torque. I did not like the car as much as the BMW, but
it's
$10K less - there are no options, all standard equipment.
sc
The disappointment of the 2nd choice lingers on much longer than the
thrill
of the lower price....
More importantly, you state that you *drove* the Acura RL, have you ever
driven a 545i? If so, which one did you prefer? If you couldn't tell the
difference, then save $10K and get the Acura....
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Well put. We should just can that response up and regurgitate it with
appropriate changes every time somebody comes here with a "tried that aisian
car it's pretty nice is the BMW worth the money?" questions. |
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Scott C
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:42 am Post subject:
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You guys are bad! ;-)..
I'm not sure if the question is, does the BMW drive better.. yes, is the
answer. I have the 1990 535 and my wife has a 2002 325i.. both are great
cars.. this is why I'm looking at the 545, and yes, I have driven it.
When does it become about value for the money we spend? I could drive a
$200,000 Lotus, and it would drive better than the BMW.. should I buy that?
I think most would answer 'no'.. the BMW is a good value for the money, or
perhaps, 'if you have the money, buy it'.. but we don't always (I hope) buy
the most expensive thing we can afford.. we buy a compromise between what's
practical and what we want. Ever bought any tools besides Craftsman? Sure,
we all do.. but we know Craftsman are very good, and cost a bit more. We
evaluate the money we have to spend vs the final product and it's
competition.
I did state, "I did not like the car as much as the BMW".. which I drove
(545), but I wonder where the trade off's are in price / performance /
handling?
Most of us BMW owners like our cars. We think they are the best thing
going.. but let's keep an open mind. There are other cars out there, they
have more horse power, more features, cost less, same warranty, ... and are
a better initial value for our dollar - I say initial because we don't know
how the car will hold up over the long run.. but the same is true for he
BMW.
I'll more than likely get the BMW. Perhaps this was just a comparison
showing you can get more for your money with the Acura. Let's face it, BMW's
are overpriced.. but we all want them.
sc
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Test drove the Acura RL today - a nice car, for $10K less, same
equipment,
as the 545. Provides an interesting choice. Standard on the RL is a
Nav
System, heated seats, 6 disk CD changer, remote fuel door release,
trunk
pass through, voice activated controls, RF key - no key needed in
steering,
plus a few other things I have forgot.. RL is 300HP, 260lb torque,
545
is
325 HP, 330lb torque. I did not like the car as much as the BMW, but
it's
$10K less - there are no options, all standard equipment.
sc
The disappointment of the 2nd choice lingers on much longer than the
thrill
of the lower price....
More importantly, you state that you *drove* the Acura RL, have you ever
driven a 545i? If so, which one did you prefer? If you couldn't tell the
difference, then save $10K and get the Acura....
Well put. We should just can that response up and regurgitate it with
appropriate changes every time somebody comes here with a "tried that
aisian
car it's pretty nice is the BMW worth the money?" questions.
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TonyK
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:47 pm Post subject:
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You could? What one? Seriously are they *that* expensive in the US?! |
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Oliver Hui
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:55 pm Post subject:
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I believe that most people buy cars NOT only for their utilitarian value.
ie. they don't just buy any 4 wheels mounted with an engine and a cab. If
this is not true, then cars like the Toyota Corolla should be on everyone's
shopping list (or Kia, or similar). Popular brands today are all quite high
quality, otherwise they'll go extinct. If one is only comparing features
and costs, then why buy the more expensive choice? Why even ask the question
of which is a 'better' buy? I think before we ask 'which is a better buy',
we should ask ourselves (and only we know) 'what am I looking for and what
am I really buying?'. That can be prestige, sense of comfort, egoistic
reasons like 'I've made it, see me in a Merc/Beemer/Lexus' etc. etc., more
so than x bhps and y lb-ft.
I was about to buy the new Subaru B4 (260bhp with 35 lb-ft torque) ... so
why did I now end up with an e60 530i that's 2 times more expensive and I am
still loving it instead?
Cause the Beemer somehow gives me a very good and indescribable feeling
(although the Subaru drives great...I have owned two before).
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Dan Drake
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:20 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:47:41 -0000, "TonyK" <Aenuff@bobsplace.org>
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| Quote: | I could drive a $200,000 Lotus,
You could? What one? Seriously are they *that* expensive in the US?!
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Nah. A new Esprit is about $90K.
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Scott C
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:35 pm Post subject:
Re: BMW 545 vs Acura RL |
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Well said Oliver..
sc
"Oliver Hui" <huioliver@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I believe that most people buy cars NOT only for their utilitarian value.
ie. they don't just buy any 4 wheels mounted with an engine and a cab. If
this is not true, then cars like the Toyota Corolla should be on
everyone's
shopping list (or Kia, or similar). Popular brands today are all quite
high
quality, otherwise they'll go extinct. If one is only comparing features
and costs, then why buy the more expensive choice? Why even ask the
question
of which is a 'better' buy? I think before we ask 'which is a better
buy',
we should ask ourselves (and only we know) 'what am I looking for and what
am I really buying?'. That can be prestige, sense of comfort, egoistic
reasons like 'I've made it, see me in a Merc/Beemer/Lexus' etc. etc., more
so than x bhps and y lb-ft.
I was about to buy the new Subaru B4 (260bhp with 35 lb-ft torque) ... so
why did I now end up with an e60 530i that's 2 times more expensive and I
am
still loving it instead?
Cause the Beemer somehow gives me a very good and indescribable feeling
(although the Subaru drives great...I have owned two before).
Oliver
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Scott C
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:51 pm Post subject:
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Oh yea, I should add, Bluetooth enabled phone, quick shifters on steering
wheel, all standard on the RL..
sc
"Scott C" <sns1820@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Test drove the Acura RL today - a nice car, for $10K less, same equipment,
as the 545. Provides an interesting choice. Standard on the RL is a Nav
System, heated seats, 6 disk CD changer, remote fuel door release, trunk
pass through, voice activated controls, RF key - no key needed in
steering,
plus a few other things I have forgot.. RL is 300HP, 260lb torque, 545 is
325 HP, 330lb torque. I did not like the car as much as the BMW, but it's
$10K less - there are no options, all standard equipment.
sc
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Ramone Cila
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject:
Re: BMW 545 vs Acura RL |
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"Scott C" <sns1820@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Test drove the Acura RL today - a nice car, for $10K less, same equipment,
as the 545. Provides an interesting choice. Standard on the RL is a Nav
System, heated seats, 6 disk CD changer, remote fuel door release, trunk
pass through, voice activated controls, RF key - no key needed in
steering,
plus a few other things I have forgot.. RL is 300HP, 260lb torque, 545 is
325 HP, 330lb torque. I did not like the car as much as the BMW, but it's
$10K less - there are no options, all standard equipment.
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If you like the BMW better then it has already been established which car
you prefer. Bottom line, if you are considering content for price you will
do much better with a Japanese automobile. I don't think any single person
on the ng can tell you what value to place on the 10 grand difference. Do
you need the all-wheel drive? Do you realize that even if peak power levels
are similar, power distribution is not. It is very clear to me one can get
better ergonomics better layout and finer interiors with other makes vs.
BMW. In the end the only reason a BMW is worth the money to some people is
because of the tactile response.
Me, after driving numerous BMW's over the years and 2 e39's over the past 7
years, I drive a 545 and become more impressed with it as time goes by. The
content and price advantages from other makes still doesn't match the joy
and confidence that BMW driving brings.
That may change as I age :^) |
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Fred W
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:41 pm Post subject:
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Scott C wrote:
| Quote: | Oh yea, I should add, Bluetooth enabled phone, quick shifters on steering
wheel, all standard on the RL..
sc
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FWIW, I believe that those "quick shifters" on the Acura are connected
to a conventional automatic transmission.
Personally, I do not see whre the two cars are even closely comparable.
If you can afford the BMW, do it and don't look back. If you can't,
buy what you can afford.
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bfd
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:50 am Post subject:
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Scott C wrote:
| Quote: | You guys are bad! ;-)..
I'm not sure if the question is, does the BMW drive better.. yes, is
the
answer. I have the 1990 535 and my wife has a 2002 325i.. both are
great
cars.. this is why I'm looking at the 545, and yes, I have driven it.
I too have a 1990 535i, 5spd, 97K miles and just recently had the |
headgasket repaired. It runs great!
| Quote: | When does it become about value for the money we spend? I could drive
a
$200,000 Lotus, and it would drive better than the BMW.. should I buy
that?
I think most would answer 'no'.. the BMW is a good value for the
money, or
perhaps, 'if you have the money, buy it'.. but we don't always (I
hope) buy
the most expensive thing we can afford.. we buy a compromise between
what's
practical and what we want. Ever bought any tools besides Craftsman?
Sure,
we all do.. but we know Craftsman are very good, and cost a bit more.
We
evaluate the money we have to spend vs the final product and it's
competition.
The issue here is not so much about "value for the money spent", but |
which one do you prefer to drive. I haven't driven the Acura, but if
you think it drives *as well* as the BMW, and you can save $10K, then
do it!
Hey, Acura makes great cars. Its electronics like NAV system is far
superior to BMWs idrive, so its not really a "compromise".
| Quote: | I did state, "I did not like the car as much as the BMW".. which I
drove
(545), but I wonder where the trade off's are in price / performance
/
handling?
That's subjective. If you "think" the Acura drives as well as the 545i, |
why not save $10K.
| Quote: | Most of us BMW owners like our cars. We think they are the best thing
going.. but let's keep an open mind. There are other cars out there,
they
have more horse power, more features, cost less, same warranty, ...
and are
a better initial value for our dollar - I say initial because we
don't know
how the car will hold up over the long run.. but the same is true for
he
BMW.
I'll more than likely get the BMW. Perhaps this was just a comparison
showing you can get more for your money with the Acura. Let's face
it, BMW's
are overpriced.. but we all want them.
Agree, BMWs are vastly overpriced, especially when a 525i is "around" |
$45K+! Ouch! But if you can afford the extra $10K+ for the 545i, get
it.
Of course, this assumes you like the looks of the car.... |
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bfd
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:51 am Post subject:
Re: BMW 545 vs Acura RL |
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Scott C wrote:
| Quote: | You guys are bad! ;-)..
I'm not sure if the question is, does the BMW drive better.. yes, is
the
answer. I have the 1990 535 and my wife has a 2002 325i.. both are
great
cars.. this is why I'm looking at the 545, and yes, I have driven it.
I too have a 1990 535i, 5spd, 97K miles and just recently had the |
headgasket repaired. It runs great!
| Quote: | When does it become about value for the money we spend? I could drive
a
$200,000 Lotus, and it would drive better than the BMW.. should I buy
that?
I think most would answer 'no'.. the BMW is a good value for the
money, or
perhaps, 'if you have the money, buy it'.. but we don't always (I
hope) buy
the most expensive thing we can afford.. we buy a compromise between
what's
practical and what we want. Ever bought any tools besides Craftsman?
Sure,
we all do.. but we know Craftsman are very good, and cost a bit more.
We
evaluate the money we have to spend vs the final product and it's
competition.
The issue here is not so much about "value for the money spent", but |
which one do you prefer to drive. I haven't driven the Acura, but if
you think it drives *as well* as the BMW, and you can save $10K, then
do it!
Hey, Acura makes great cars. Its electronics like NAV system is far
superior to BMWs idrive, so its not really a "compromise".
| Quote: | I did state, "I did not like the car as much as the BMW".. which I
drove
(545), but I wonder where the trade off's are in price / performance
/
handling?
That's subjective. If you "think" the Acura drives as well as the 545i, |
why not save $10K.
| Quote: | Most of us BMW owners like our cars. We think they are the best thing
going.. but let's keep an open mind. There are other cars out there,
they
have more horse power, more features, cost less, same warranty, ...
and are
a better initial value for our dollar - I say initial because we
don't know
how the car will hold up over the long run.. but the same is true for
he
BMW.
I'll more than likely get the BMW. Perhaps this was just a comparison
showing you can get more for your money with the Acura. Let's face
it, BMW's
are overpriced.. but we all want them.
Agree, BMWs are vastly overpriced, especially when a 525i is "around" |
$45K+! Ouch! But if you can afford the extra $10K+ for the 545i, get
it.
Of course, this assumes you like the looks of the car.... |
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Jeff Strickland
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:19 am Post subject:
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"Scott C" <sns1820@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | You guys are bad! ;-)..
I'm not sure if the question is, does the BMW drive better.. yes, is the
answer. I have the 1990 535 and my wife has a 2002 325i.. both are great
cars.. this is why I'm looking at the 545, and yes, I have driven it.
When does it become about value for the money we spend?
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This is the core question, and the answer is different for every driver. It
is a question that only you can answer for yourself.
Another poster said it almost perfectly, the bitterness of low quality
remains long after the sweetness of low cost is gone. If you can save ten
grand and be happy, then do it. If you need to spend the ten grand to find
happiness, then do it. |
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