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E.R.
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:22 pm Post subject:
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In a previous posting, "Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> had
the audacity to say:
:Jason G wrote:
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:> Except Virginia and D.C., I think. Detectors are legal in
:> California, jammers are not. Check out all the useful info at the
:> Valentine One site, it has all sorts of non-product-specific info too.
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:I think I noticed a sign in CT saying they were illegal there too.
That law was repealed over ten years back.
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E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo
present location: vancouver bc canada
refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy
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Matt O'Toole
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:29 pm Post subject:
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E.R. wrote:
| Quote: | In a previous posting, "Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> had
the audacity to say:
Jason G wrote:
Except Virginia and D.C., I think. Detectors are legal in
California, jammers are not. Check out all the useful info at the
Valentine One site, it has all sorts of non-product-specific info
too.
I think I noticed a sign in CT saying they were illegal there too.
That law was repealed over ten years back.
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Wow, I guess they forgot to take some signs down.
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Trey
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject:
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Peter Bozz wrote:
| Quote: | The Cherman road death rate (normalised, of course) is greater than
the British! But I have seen no analysis/evidence why. More to do
with driving habits than speed, maybe.
Statistically, I think most road deaths occur on two lane roadways
with no median divider (pls excuse the US-like terminology) where
speed limits are about 80kph (some sections 100kph), or on crossings.
Highways are generally the safest roads, so I have to agree with you.
That thought had occurred to me, i.e. that the roads are built to
the speed limit. I have a feeling that British lanes are narrower
than the German, but I have no doubt that the British motorways are
generally safe at 85 mph, if not at 110.
Personally, I don't think the lanes are wider in Germany than in
England. On the other hand, when I drove from London to Coventry
(don't remember the actual motorway number) I remember thinking how
bad the surface was. :)
I don't find Autobahn surfaces that much better than UK Motorway
ones. Same applies to Belgium and Netherlands. All suffer from
road works every summer...
The road works are there to keep 'em in good shape, of course. And
please, everyone knows Belgian highways are abominable. Most lanes
have ruts for miles and miles and have been patched so many times
they look like checkerboard. Dutch highways are more or less in good
shape, and they do resurface some of them quite often.
And what difference does it make whether fewer cars drive on the
road at 90 mph or many more at 75? Loads of wear on the surface
either way.
The biggest load on the surface are lorries, and those don't drive
faster than 80kph (well, aren't supposed to). A couple of BMW blasting
by at 150kph won't really cause a depression in the apron.
And in any case, the official government position is that the speed
limit is there to keep us, motorists, safe. A nice side effect for
them, is the cash they get everytime someone gets photographed for
doing 101kph in a 100 zone. "Safety first."
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I believe in the 80s, and early 90s, they reduced the speed limit on the
freeways to 55mph in an effort to "conserve fuel". So its not always a
safety issue. Sometimes they really are just thinking about your pocket
book.
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Peter Bozz
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | And in any case, the official government position is that the speed
limit is there to keep us, motorists, safe. A nice side effect for
them, is the cash they get everytime someone gets photographed for
doing 101kph in a 100 zone. "Safety first."
I believe in the 80s, and early 90s, they reduced the speed limit on the
freeways to 55mph in an effort to "conserve fuel". So its not always a
safety issue. Sometimes they really are just thinking about your pocket
book.
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True, true. But then, they launch an aggressive enforcement policy,
making the fines such, that a single transgression is sufficient to wipe
out any savings I made on fuel for the last 3 years. Kinda doesn't make
sense...
I don't really buy it that the government is concerned about my pocket
book (except for what they can pull *out* of it, of course) :-) But
maybe the US government is different.... |
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Ramone Cila
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:41 pm Post subject:
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"Jason G" <jrgusenet@yahoo.REMOVE-x-THIS-x-PART.com> wrote in message
news:coo6rv014f9@drn.newsguy.com...
| Quote: | In article <10quu4p6fftgd72@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff Strickland says...
I am not sure it would have helped me, here's why. I was driving and the
cop
was in front of me and the radar was aimed at the back of the cars in
front
of me.
Oh yes, they like that, sit on the entrance ramp shoulder and shoot you in
the
back. Hardly seems sporting.
Yes, the Valentine could help there, because of the reflections you
mention. |
The Valentines are so sensitive, and radar bounces around to such a degree,
you don't have to be in the funnel to get a warning. That's one reason you
get detection over hills and around bends. It is physically impossible for
the gun to be reading you, but the detector is picking up bounces...all over
the place.
The V1 is really quite incredible.I don't drive without it
anymore.....course with my point level I'd be a fool not to :^) |
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Jeff Strickland
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject:
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"Ramone Cila" <dontw@nt.spam> wrote in message
news:cH0sd.8$6p1.3443@news.uswest.net...
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"Jason G" <jrgusenet@yahoo.REMOVE-x-THIS-x-PART.com> wrote in message
news:coo6rv014f9@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <10quu4p6fftgd72@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff Strickland says...
I am not sure it would have helped me, here's why. I was driving and
the
cop
was in front of me and the radar was aimed at the back of the cars in
front
of me.
Oh yes, they like that, sit on the entrance ramp shoulder and shoot you
in
the
back. Hardly seems sporting.
Yes, the Valentine could help there, because of the reflections you
mention.
The Valentines are so sensitive, and radar bounces around to such a
degree,
you don't have to be in the funnel to get a warning. That's one reason you
get detection over hills and around bends. It is physically impossible for
the gun to be reading you, but the detector is picking up bounces...all
over
the place.
The V1 is really quite incredible.I don't drive without it
anymore.....course with my point level I'd be a fool not to :^)
My ticket cost me nearly $200. My point count is OK, but I can't take too |
many fines. I should invest my next fine into a Valentine, and save the
hassle later ... |
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Matt O'Toole
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject:
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
| Quote: | My ticket cost me nearly $200. My point count is OK, but I can't take
too many fines. I should invest my next fine into a Valentine, and
save the hassle later ...
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How does the "point count" affect your insurance though? Sometimes it's a lot,
sometimes not at all, depending on the insurance company. Over the few years
the points remain on your license, the extra premiums can really add up.
Matt O. |
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Matt O'Toole
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:21 pm Post subject:
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Trey wrote:
| Quote: | I believe in the 80s, and early 90s, they reduced the speed limit on
the freeways to 55mph in an effort to "conserve fuel".
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That was the 70s, in response to the Arab oil embargo. There was a lot of green
consciousness back then too, and class war politics against "the man" and his
big cars.
Matt O. |
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Trey
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:33 pm Post subject:
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Peter Bozz wrote:
| Quote: | And in any case, the official government position is that the speed
limit is there to keep us, motorists, safe. A nice side effect for
them, is the cash they get everytime someone gets photographed for
doing 101kph in a 100 zone. "Safety first."
I believe in the 80s, and early 90s, they reduced the speed limit on
the freeways to 55mph in an effort to "conserve fuel". So its not
always a safety issue. Sometimes they really are just thinking about
your pocket book.
True, true. But then, they launch an aggressive enforcement policy,
making the fines such, that a single transgression is sufficient to
wipe out any savings I made on fuel for the last 3 years. Kinda
doesn't make sense...
I don't really buy it that the government is concerned about my pocket
book (except for what they can pull *out* of it, of course) :-) But
maybe the US government is different....
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I think the speed reduction back then was more to conserve fuel at the
national fuel reserve level, in order to avoid another '70s fuel crisis.
They can really care less about saving you money. If they really cared, they
would impose tighter regulations and more tax on the gas guzzlers and
excessively large vehicles. |
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Ramone Cila
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Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:47 am Post subject:
Re: Orange county, speed limit reduced? |
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"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:10r17cjeup73o59@corp.supernews.com...
| Quote: | My ticket cost me nearly $200. My point count is OK, but I can't take too
many fines. I should invest my next fine into a Valentine, and save the
hassle later ...
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I must admit to suffering some sticker shock when buying my first one, I now
have them in each car and truck, but. as you imply, what they have saved me
in fines is far more than I have spent to purchase them. The one time in the
last 3 years that I driving without it I got caught for that 85 on a 55 and
paid about $ 250.00. One time and I get caught...it's just my luck!
I think they are still selling at $ 399.00. |
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Ramone Cila
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Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:50 am Post subject:
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"Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message
news:31blh2F38gj5dU1@individual.net...
| Quote: | Jeff Strickland wrote:
My ticket cost me nearly $200. My point count is OK, but I can't take
too many fines. I should invest my next fine into a Valentine, and
save the hassle later ...
How does the "point count" affect your insurance though? Sometimes it's a
lot,
sometimes not at all, depending on the insurance company. Over the few
years
the points remain on your license, the extra premiums can really add up.
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That's for sure and nowadays the insurance companies count the lowest point
as 3 no matter what the local municipality has charged you. So if you get a
4 pointer and the city reduces that to 2, your insurance carrier will still
record it as a 3 pointer. If you get a 1 pointer your carrier will still
record it as a 3.
And you are right, the premium adjustment does add up. |
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Matt O'Toole
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Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:42 am Post subject:
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Trey wrote:
| Quote: | I think the speed reduction back then was more to conserve fuel at the
national fuel reserve level, in order to avoid another '70s fuel
crisis. They can really care less about saving you money. If they
really cared, they would impose tighter regulations and more tax on
the gas guzzlers and excessively large vehicles.
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At the time, gas prices had skyrocketed, so a tax would never have worked
politically.
Matt O. |
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