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Jason G
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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In article <10qqblij1e0ovdb@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff Strickland says...
| Quote: | I was all alone on 4 lanes of concrete, and the only car that could
have been doing 80+ was me.
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Hie thyself to http://www.valentine1.com my good man! Worth every single penny.
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Jason G
"This isn't a matter of being tolerant,
it's a matter of being sane." --REP, a.s.c.
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Trey
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:22 pm Post subject:
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Matt O'Toole wrote:
| Quote: | Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
I agree that lower speeds in very busy periods can actually speed up
the flow of traffic (queuing theory etc). However, rush hour isn't
most of the time. That is just an argument for variable limits on
selected sections of road -- no big deal to implement.
In southern CA it is, or almost -- 5:30-10AM, and 2-8PM, in most
places. The window of opportunity to get anywhere easily is outside
these hours.
Matt O.
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And dont forget the 11am to 1pm lunch rush, and the 9pm to 5am CalTrans
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Trey
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:36 pm Post subject:
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Matt O'Toole wrote:
| Quote: | Trey wrote:
I know people that drive as much as 90+ miles each way. (Apple Valley
to Disneyland, Lake Ellsinore to Santa Ana, Temecula to Newport) I
really don't know who in their right mind would do that, but its
rather popular. However, with that long of a commute, the speed
limit, 55 or 65 would drive me INSANE of I had to commute 90 miles
each way. So what do they do? they pound the gas! Is it smart? I wont
answer that. That's just how it is.
Wow, 180 miles a day, five days a week, 46,800 a year. ave 65, and
that's 720 hours a year, at 85 that's 550 hours a year, What would
you like to be doing for that extra 170 hours a year you save?
Think of the money you're pissing away driving. Just going by the
standard IRS reimbursement of what, 36 cents a mile -- do the math
for yourself. Of course, many people drive cars costing much more
than that. Late model BMWs definately fall into that category,
probably around 50 cents a mile. According to the figures you just
quoted, that's a couple hundred thousand dollars more house you could
afford! Which is a better place for your money -- your house
(appreciating at over 20% in southern CA), or out your tailpipe?
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That would be why I do not have a BMW. My truck is parked all week while I
ride the motorcycle to work (50 MPG or 11 MPG, hmm, let me think about that
one!)
BMWs are out of my price range, but I WILL have one eventually. Im sure I
will have a house first though. Like you said, much better investment.
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I think a good solution would be creating jobs closer to people's
homes, so they don't have to drive as far.
The jobs are there and the homes are there, but people don't even
think to look for them. They work a certain place and then get it in
their minds they have to live a certain place, without exploring the
alternatives.
Many of my friends have migrated from the suburbs to the middle of
Los Angeles, so they could either live right near work, or do a
"reverse commute," against the normal traffic patterns.
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Some also like the high-paying jobs in the Newport Bay area, and the low
cost housing in the Elsonor area, and dont mind the Ortega highway commute
every day. There was a guy that lived in Arizona and worked at our office!
He only worked three days a week and we have bunks and showers in the
basement and he was about six months from retirment.
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If I could, I would walk
or ride a bicycle to work.
You probably can. Where do you live, and work? I know a couple of
people who commute from Laguna Beach to Long Beach (that's a long
one, 28 mi), a whole bunch who go from Huntington or Costa Mesa to
Irvine Spectrum (15 mi), one who goes from Manhattan Beach to Santa
Monica College (12 mi), and two who go from Echo Park to Santa Monica
(probably 12 mi). In all cases except the first, riding a bike is
faster than driving at rush hour.
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about ten miles. and when its not 42 degrees out when I leave for work, I
will be riding my bicycle again. Orange to Anaheim is not that bad, but I
need to find a "bicycle friendly" route since not all the streets have bike
lanes.
With gas, insurance, and registration, my motorcycle is about 15 cents a
mile. my truck is about 40 cents a mile. My bicycle, um... pretty much free
when its warm enough.
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Bike to work, and save the BMW for pleasant road trips.
Matt O. |
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Trey
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:46 pm Post subject:
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Jason G wrote:
| Quote: | In article <10qqblij1e0ovdb@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff Strickland
says...
I was all alone on 4 lanes of concrete, and the only car that could
have been doing 80+ was me.
Hie thyself to http://www.valentine1.com my good man! Worth every
single penny.
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How useful is a radar detector? I would think that by the time the detector
alerts you, the cop has your reading. Also they are not legal in all states
are they?
I would find a jammer far more helpful... far less legal, but more helpful
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Ramone Cila
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:54 pm Post subject:
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"Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lDArd.4629$OS3.303@twister.socal.rr.com...
| Quote: | Jason G wrote:
Hie thyself to http://www.valentine1.com my good man! Worth every
single penny.
How useful is a radar detector? I would think that by the time the
detector
alerts you, the cop has your reading.
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The V1 is exceptional. Over hills around bends and if there is laser pulsing
anywhere nearby you will know it. Unless you are dumb, conventional radar
won't get you and laser will only do so if you are the only car on the road
for miles and miles and the cop hasn't pulsed anyone for 4 or 5 minutes.
Remember, the idea behind detectors is you hear the report from the cop
reading other people and that alerts you they are working nearby. The V1
lets you know if what direction you should be looking.
I have not used any of the new Escort/Passport models but the V1 is
incredibly useful, and legal in most states. |
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:17 am Post subject:
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The Cherman road death rate (normalised, of course) is greater than the
British! But I have seen no analysis/evidence why. More to do with driving
habits than speed, maybe.
That thought had occurred to me, i.e. that the roads are built to the speed
limit. I have a feeling that British lanes are narrower than the German,
but I have no doubt that the British motorways are generally safe at 85 mph,
if not at 110.
In the (unlikely) event of there being a stretch considered unsafe it is
always possible to impose lower limits. Since we seem to be taking Germany
as a reference, they have plenty of such limited sections, where it is
obvious that the bends are far too sharp for much over the given limit.
E.g. on the western outskirts of Frankfurt. Another reason for a limit
might be sudden gusts of wind on a long and exposed bridge -- seen at least
one of those on a N-S road along the Rhine; can't remember whether on the
left (Koblenz) or on the right.
I don't find Autobahn surfaces that much better than UK Motorway ones. Same
applies to Belgium and Netherlands. All suffer from road works every
summer...
And what difference does it make whether fewer cars drive on the road at 90
mph or many more at 75? Loads of wear on the surface either way.
DAS
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I believe that one reason they can't simply abolish or even raise the
speed limits is the fact that the current freeways in England (or Holland
for that matter) are not designed for very high speed traffic. Most if not
all German Autobahns *are* specifically designed for that: for instance,
the maximum road inclination allowed is 4%. Also the apron is much more
robust (a German Autobahn is twice as thick as an American freeway), and
corners have been constructed with high speed in mind. Stir in some
Cherman obsession with Maitenance and some good old Cherman Discipline,
and you can see why their roads are safe even at very high speeds :-) |
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:19 am Post subject:
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Different budgets...
DAS
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| Quote: | With politics here its easier to get
half the funding now and build something that will fall apart, and then
spend three times as much in repairing it.
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:23 am Post subject:
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You reminded me of my younger days when a friend and I both had Honda 175s.
Our slogan was "Seventy miles an hour at seventy miles a gallon"...
Sigh.
:-)
DAS
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Jason G
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:42 am Post subject:
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In article <1VGrd.4$wy5.550@news.uswest.net>, Ramone Cila says...
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How useful is a radar detector? I would think that by the time the
detector
alerts you, the cop has your reading.
The V1 is exceptional. Over hills around bends and if there is laser pulsing
anywhere nearby you will know it. Unless you are dumb, conventional radar
won't get you and laser will only do so if you are the only car on the road
for miles and miles and the cop hasn't pulsed anyone for 4 or 5 minutes.
Remember, the idea behind detectors is you hear the report from the cop
reading other people and that alerts you they are working nearby. The V1
lets you know if what direction you should be looking.
I have not used any of the new Escort/Passport models but the V1 is
incredibly useful, and legal in most states.
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Except Virginia and D.C., I think. Detectors are legal in California, jammers
are not. Check out all the useful info at the Valentine One site, it has all
sorts of non-product-specific info too.
It works. It works really well. For Ka, which is what CHP uses most it seems,
it works far enough in advance on a sparsely populated road that I was able to
slow from 115mph to 64.5 mph without panic stopping, and cruised on by Mr. Chips
with a serene, law-abiding look on my face.
I like the counter too, as on the 15 CHP often runs sequential traps, about a
mile apart. My counter said 2, I saw the one, passed him, the arrows pointed
one forward and one back. Sure enough, over the next rise, there was Mr. Chips
tagging people who had sped back up after the passing first unit.
Detection is great. Though I discovered that there is a particular store sign
near my house that makes the laser-band alarm go nuts. I just about shit my
pants the first time that thing went off.
BTW, anyone know if any cops still use X-band in SoCal? I'd like to set the V1
to ignore it if I can, as that is what I get most of my false alarms from.
Every legitimate bogey has been Ka so far.
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Jason G
"This isn't a matter of being tolerant,
it's a matter of being sane." --REP, a.s.c. |
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Jeff Strickland
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:12 am Post subject:
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"Jason G" <jrgusenet@yahoo.REMOVE-x-THIS-x-PART.com> wrote in message
news:colqfd0f64@drn.newsguy.com...
| Quote: | In article <10qqblij1e0ovdb@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff Strickland says...
I was all alone on 4 lanes of concrete, and the only car that could
have been doing 80+ was me.
Hie thyself to http://www.valentine1.com my good man! Worth every single
penny.
--
Jason G
"This isn't a matter of being tolerant,
it's a matter of being sane." --REP, a.s.c.
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I am not sure it would have helped me, here's why. I was driving and the cop
was in front of me and the radar was aimed at the back of the cars in front
of me. I actually saw the cop before he aimed his gun at me, but by then my
brake lights were a dead give away that I knew I was doing something wrong.
In this instance, the officer had a visual from a stationary position, but
he could only get a radar lock after his victims had already passed him by.
I agree that I need a radar detector, or laser or a combination of the two,
but in this particular instance, the configuration of the firing range for
the officer was such that any detection equipment I might have had would be
blind to his shooting equipment until it was too late. I don't know if a
detector will pick up the reflected signals from the vehicles in front of
me, but that would have been the only way for it to save me in this
circumstance. The cop was shooting down range from me, so I would not have
seen him with any kind of detector until I was already past, or if my
detector could pick up the signals bouncing off the back of cars in fromt of
me. |
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Matt O'Toole
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:42 am Post subject:
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Jason G wrote:
| Quote: | Except Virginia and D.C., I think. Detectors are legal in
California, jammers are not. Check out all the useful info at the
Valentine One site, it has all sorts of non-product-specific info too.
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I think I noticed a sign in CT saying they were illegal there too.
Matt O. |
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Ramone Cila
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:22 am Post subject:
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"Jason G" <jrgusenet@yahoo.REMOVE-x-THIS-x-PART.com> wrote in message
news:conr6c030ub@drn.newsguy.com...
| Quote: | In article <1VGrd.4$wy5.550@news.uswest.net>, Ramone Cila says...
I discovered that there is a particular store sign
near my house that makes the laser-band alarm go nuts. I just about shit
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pants the first time that thing went off.
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Ah ha ha ha....that's funny. You thought you were had....dintcha! |
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Jason G
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:01 am Post subject:
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In article <10quu4p6fftgd72@corp.supernews.com>, Jeff Strickland says...
| Quote: | I am not sure it would have helped me, here's why. I was driving and the cop
was in front of me and the radar was aimed at the back of the cars in front
of me.
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Oh yes, they like that, sit on the entrance ramp shoulder and shoot you in the
back. Hardly seems sporting.
Yes, the Valentine could help there, because of the reflections you mention.
You wouldn't have as MUCH warning, but you most likely would get enough,
especially if he radared a truck. On straight-ahead shots on the 5, I get
oodles of warning on Ka even with the rolling hills and curves, and it has
detected the on-ramp backshot for me with enough time to slow.
| Quote: | I agree that I need a radar detector, or laser or a combination of the two,
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V1 does both, and front and rear too. Although interestingly I have discovered
that the light from my Nav system triggers the laser warning. Only happens when
I'm taking it down before I've unplugged it though and it 'sees' the screen.
Go read all the articles on the v1 site about radar/laser in general. Quite
enlightening. I'm particularly concerned about the new "POP" radar (which it
detects), which the V1 designer is convinced is fundamentally incapable of being
accurate.
I sound like a zealot for the V1, and I am, but I don't have any relation to the
company other than just being thrilled with the product.
--
Jason G
"This isn't a matter of being tolerant,
it's a matter of being sane." --REP, a.s.c. |
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Peter Bozz
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:09 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | The Cherman road death rate (normalised, of course) is greater than the
British! But I have seen no analysis/evidence why. More to do with driving
habits than speed, maybe.
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Statistically, I think most road deaths occur on two lane roadways with
no median divider (pls excuse the US-like terminology) where speed
limits are about 80kph (some sections 100kph), or on crossings. Highways
are generally the safest roads, so I have to agree with you.
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That thought had occurred to me, i.e. that the roads are built to the speed
limit. I have a feeling that British lanes are narrower than the German,
but I have no doubt that the British motorways are generally safe at 85 mph,
if not at 110.
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Personally, I don't think the lanes are wider in Germany than in
England. On the other hand, when I drove from London to Coventry (don't
remember the actual motorway number) I remember thinking how bad the
surface was. :)
| Quote: | I don't find Autobahn surfaces that much better than UK Motorway ones. Same
applies to Belgium and Netherlands. All suffer from road works every
summer...
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The road works are there to keep 'em in good shape, of course. And
please, everyone knows Belgian highways are abominable. Most lanes have
ruts for miles and miles and have been patched so many times they look
like checkerboard. Dutch highways are more or less in good shape, and
they do resurface some of them quite often.
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And what difference does it make whether fewer cars drive on the road at 90
mph or many more at 75? Loads of wear on the surface either way.
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The biggest load on the surface are lorries, and those don't drive
faster than 80kph (well, aren't supposed to). A couple of BMW blasting
by at 150kph won't really cause a depression in the apron.
And in any case, the official government position is that the speed
limit is there to keep us, motorists, safe. A nice side effect for them,
is the cash they get everytime someone gets photographed for doing
101kph in a 100 zone. "Safety first." |
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E.R.
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:50 pm Post subject:
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In a previous posting, "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> had
the audacity to say:
:>If they actually want everyone to do the speed limit, they will just
:> have to set up an eight lane speed trap and ticket the entire morning
:> commute crowd to get them to slow down.
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:This is how it is on the UK roads now - specs cameras that speed average
:over a 3 mile stretch and note your number plate without flashing or
:radar/laser usage.
A good GPS detector should take good care of those menaces.
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E.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo
present location: vancouver bc canada
refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy |
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