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Trey
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:59 am Post subject:
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I was coming home tonight, and since the traffic was rather light, I was
able to notice the new speed limit signs on the 22 east, from the 5 south to
the 55 south. the speed limit on this stretch has been reduced from 65 to
55. How many other sections of SoCal freeway have been reduced? and why? gas
crunch again?
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Alphageek
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:05 am Post subject:
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"Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0JUpd.63566$hN1.45894@twister.socal.rr.com...
| Quote: | I was coming home tonight, and since the traffic was rather light, I was
able to notice the new speed limit signs on the 22 east, from the 5 south
to
the 55 south. the speed limit on this stretch has been reduced from 65 to
55. How many other sections of SoCal freeway have been reduced? and why?
gas
crunch again?
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Refer to the following story from KNBC TV
http://www.nbc4.tv/traffic/3942689/detail.html |
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Trey
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:53 am Post subject:
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"Alphageek" <no_email_please@uhdelfeeyuh.net> wrote in message
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"Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I was coming home tonight, and since the traffic was rather light, I was
able to notice the new speed limit signs on the 22 east, from the 5
south
to
the 55 south. the speed limit on this stretch has been reduced from 65
to
55. How many other sections of SoCal freeway have been reduced? and why?
gas
crunch again?
Refer to the following story from KNBC TV
http://www.nbc4.tv/traffic/3942689/detail.html
OUCH |
We get it at both ends with this one, reduced speed limit for the
construction, AND since its construction, traffic fines are doubled!
However, its nice to see they are going to expand the freeway finally!
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Matt O'Toole
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 4:42 am Post subject:
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Trey wrote:
| Quote: | "Alphageek" <no_email_please@uhdelfeeyuh.net> wrote in message
news:iKadnai-zd5vUjXcRVn-vg@adelphia.com...
"Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0JUpd.63566$hN1.45894@twister.socal.rr.com...
I was coming home tonight, and since the traffic was rather light,
I was able to notice the new speed limit signs on the 22 east, from
the 5 south to
the 55 south. the speed limit on this stretch has been reduced from
65 to
55. How many other sections of SoCal freeway have been reduced? and
why? gas
crunch again?
Refer to the following story from KNBC TV
http://www.nbc4.tv/traffic/3942689/detail.html
OUCH
We get it at both ends with this one, reduced speed limit for the
construction, AND since its construction, traffic fines are doubled!
However, its nice to see they are going to expand the freeway finally!
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Sure beats being routed down surface streets in the middle of the night, like
with the 5 and the 91 a couple of years ago. I'll take 55 MPH.
Matt O. |
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tech27
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:31 am Post subject:
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"Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message
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Maybe they just figured that too many yahoo's will be trying to drive fast
because of all the "Orange County" hype on tv these days. (On both coasts).
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Matt O'Toole
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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tech27 wrote:
| Quote: | "Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message
news:30shqaF354nsoU1@uni-berlin.de...
Maybe they just figured that too many yahoo's will be trying to drive
fast because of all the "Orange County" hype on tv these days. (On
both coasts). (-;
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They've been driving too fast (literally and figuratively) as long as I can
remember, which is about '73.
Matt O. |
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Trey
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 2:24 pm Post subject:
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Matt O'Toole wrote:
| Quote: | tech27 wrote:
"Matt O'Toole" <matt@deltanet.com> wrote in message
news:30shqaF354nsoU1@uni-berlin.de...
Maybe they just figured that too many yahoo's will be trying to drive
fast because of all the "Orange County" hype on tv these days. (On
both coasts). (-;
They've been driving too fast (literally and figuratively) as long as
I can remember, which is about '73.
Matt O.
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I have been ticketed for doing 85 on the freeway. This makes for quite a
dilemma. In traffic school they say you are not to exceed the speed limit.
ok, so do 65 (or now 55) I tried that, I did 65 in the slow lane, and
amazingly, I was being passed on BOTH sides! I was even passed by a school
bus. If they actually want everyone to do the speed limit, they will just
have to set up an eight lane speed trap and ticket the entire morning
commute crowd to get them to slow down. Some flashing sign that says
"Caution, speed limit reduced, 55MPH" will do nothing. Ticketing five
commuters a day during rush hour, is about as effective as using a dental
pick to strip the paint off a barn. |
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Coyoteboy
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | If they actually want everyone to do the speed limit, they will just
have to set up an eight lane speed trap and ticket the entire morning
commute crowd to get them to slow down.
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This is how it is on the UK roads now - specs cameras that speed average
over a 3 mile stretch and note your number plate without flashing or
radar/laser usage. Nightmare if you accidentally slip over the speed limit.
Some people are still stupid enough to think they can slow down just before
each camera and speed in between - duhhh
J |
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Jeff Strickland
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:53 am Post subject:
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"Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Alphageek" <no_email_please@uhdelfeeyuh.net> wrote in message
news:iKadnai-zd5vUjXcRVn-vg@adelphia.com...
"Trey" <treydog90spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0JUpd.63566$hN1.45894@twister.socal.rr.com...
I was coming home tonight, and since the traffic was rather light, I
was
able to notice the new speed limit signs on the 22 east, from the 5
south
to
the 55 south. the speed limit on this stretch has been reduced from 65
to
55. How many other sections of SoCal freeway have been reduced? and
why?
gas
crunch again?
Refer to the following story from KNBC TV
http://www.nbc4.tv/traffic/3942689/detail.html
OUCH
We get it at both ends with this one, reduced speed limit for the
construction, AND since its construction, traffic fines are doubled!
However, its nice to see they are going to expand the freeway finally!
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California ALWAYS doubles the fines in Construction Zones, especially on the
freeways and other regional routes. They may not double the fines for work
on city streets, but they will for work on county roads.
Anytime you suspect you are in a construction zone, you will want to be sure
you are following the rules for that section of roadway. Usually, you can
tell if you are in a construction zone, but not always. This is especially
true when construction projects are just getting started, the guys can come
along and plant a sign that creates the construction zone, but they haven't
moved in the equipment yet so you don't see that construction is underway;
of course the cops are dialed in on the signs that are posted and they will
take advantage of the lack of equipment to get you speeding. |
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Vernon Balbert
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
| Quote: | California ALWAYS doubles the fines in Construction Zones, especially on the
freeways and other regional routes. They may not double the fines for work
on city streets, but they will for work on county roads.
Anytime you suspect you are in a construction zone, you will want to be sure
you are following the rules for that section of roadway. Usually, you can
tell if you are in a construction zone, but not always. This is especially
true when construction projects are just getting started, the guys can come
along and plant a sign that creates the construction zone, but they haven't
moved in the equipment yet so you don't see that construction is underway;
of course the cops are dialed in on the signs that are posted and they will
take advantage of the lack of equipment to get you speeding.
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I find it rather appalling that people seem to think that it's okay to
break the law as long as they don't get caught. It's not the police's
responsibility to see that you obey the law. They just clobber you if
they catch you. It's YOUR responsibility to obey it. Sheesh! |
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Matt O'Toole
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
Re: Orange county, speed limit reduced? |
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
| Quote: | Anytime you suspect you are in a construction zone, you will want to
be sure you are following the rules for that section of roadway.
Usually, you can tell if you are in a construction zone, but not
always. This is especially true when construction projects are just
getting started, the guys can come along and plant a sign that
creates the construction zone, but they haven't moved in the
equipment yet so you don't see that construction is underway; of
course the cops are dialed in on the signs that are posted and they
will take advantage of the lack of equipment to get you speeding.
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The zones are decided ahead of time, and signs posted. Actual construction
could be going on within those zones, or not, at any given time. There may not
even be any sign of construction. But as long as you're in a posted zone, watch
out.
Matt O. |
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Matt O'Toole
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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Vernon Balbert wrote:
| Quote: | I find it rather appalling that people seem to think that it's okay to
break the law as long as they don't get caught. It's not the police's
responsibility to see that you obey the law. They just clobber you if
they catch you. It's YOUR responsibility to obey it. Sheesh!
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I find finger-waggers appalling.
Right or wrong, speed laws are widely ignored in southern CA. Late at night,
the freeways are pretty much a free-for-all. There are enough drunks and
seriously reckless drivers to keep the cops busy, so the average speeder is
unlikely to suffer consequences.
I'm not sure the current practice of broad-brush construction zones is wise, if
it leads to the masses ignoring well-intentioned laws.
Matt O. |
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Peter Bozz
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:20 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | California ALWAYS doubles the fines in Construction Zones, especially on the
freeways and other regional routes. They may not double the fines for work
on city streets, but they will for work on county roads.
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Just for the fun of it, I'm interested in how much the fines are in
California (or the States for that matter). Here in the Netherlands, I
got fined for going 13 mph over the speed limit. Usual fine is EUR 90,
but since it was a construction zone (something I had failed to notice,
on account of there being no equipment, workers, or any additional road
signs to underscore that fact), the fine was raised to EUR 145. (It
wasn't DOUBLED, I admit. Lucky me.)
How does that reflect the amount you have to pay in the States or the UK?
Oh, yeah, we don't even have a points system for our licenses. Pay up
and be on your way. Great for the individual offender, useless for
improving safety on the roads. |
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Trey
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Orange county, speed limit reduced? |
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Matt O'Toole wrote:
| Quote: | Vernon Balbert wrote:
I find it rather appalling that people seem to think that it's okay
to break the law as long as they don't get caught. It's not the
police's responsibility to see that you obey the law. They just
clobber you if they catch you. It's YOUR responsibility to obey it.
Sheesh!
I find finger-waggers appalling.
Right or wrong, speed laws are widely ignored in southern CA. Late
at night, the freeways are pretty much a free-for-all. There are
enough drunks and seriously reckless drivers to keep the cops busy,
so the average speeder is unlikely to suffer consequences.
I'm not sure the current practice of broad-brush construction zones
is wise, if it leads to the masses ignoring well-intentioned laws.
Matt O.
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I think one problem we have here in SoCal is that we are always in a rush.
We always plan everything so tight, and never really figure in traffic or
travel times accurately. And then, the distances traveled. Some things are
15-20 miles apart and it can be a lot of open roads. Also a lot of tighter
places but since its an open stretch, we floor it to make up time that was
lost while waiting for all the stupid traffic lights that seem to always be
red.
Down by my grand parents house, its a two lane per side road. with a posted
speed of 25 MPH, and two stop signs. These stop signs have always been a
problem. people will turn onto their street and will be doing about 70 by
the time they get to the stop sign and blow through it. This is a
residential street, with houses. We have almost been nailed by cars when
trying to pull out. My grand parents will complain about the cars running
the stop sign, two motors will come out and park in plain sight at the stop
sign, within five minutes of parking, you will hear one tearing off to
ticket someone. Before he is done, the second motor takes off to ticket
someone.
I make an effort to maintain the speed limit, and I would say that I am
getting a lot better, but I still have a lot of work to do. The Freeways are
by far the worst though. They are pretty much a steady 85-90. when traffic
is 65-75, it is truly bumper to bumper. If I am driving in 70 mph traffic,
the person behind me is so close, I cant see their head lights. I look next
to me, there is about half a car length between the car that is pacing me,
and car in front of them. Tell me, how do I change lanes? And then if you do
leave one and a half car lengths of space (you know, to try to be a safe
driver) then people will funnel into that open space. |
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Peter Bozz
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:52 pm Post subject:
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Anytime you suspect you are in a construction zone, you will want to
be sure
you are following the rules for that section of roadway. Usually, you can
tell if you are in a construction zone, but not always. This is
especially
true when construction projects are just getting started, the guys can
come
along and plant a sign that creates the construction zone, but they
haven't
moved in the equipment yet so you don't see that construction is
underway;
of course the cops are dialed in on the signs that are posted and they
will
take advantage of the lack of equipment to get you speeding.
I find it rather appalling that people seem to think that it's okay to
break the law as long as they don't get caught. It's not the police's
responsibility to see that you obey the law. They just clobber you if
they catch you. It's YOUR responsibility to obey it. Sheesh!
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What I find appalling is the fact the the police are mainly interested
in writing out tickets and collecting profits from fines, NOT in public
safety on the roads. I can rip at twice the speed limit in a residential
neighborhood, with kids playing nearby and a school down the road, and
there will *never* be a cop there to bust my ass. No, the cop is out on
an empty stretch of wide open country road, with a speed trap hidden
behind a tree, ticketing people that went 5-10kph over the 80kph speed
limit, because that is the more *profitable* activity.
I agree one should obey the law, but that's hard to justify when the law
has been turned into a mockery of itself by the very people that are
enforcing it. |
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