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Charles Fregeau
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:44 am Post subject:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:31:51 -0600, <diel@spm.com> wrote:
In article <fxMpd.75$1z5.42@trnddc06>,
"Truckdude" <keepiton@theboard.com> wrote:
No thoughts of your own on this issue? I'm not surprised that one from
your
school of thought would simply regurgitate the words of the hypocrite
Rush
Limbaugh. Liberalism never works, huh? Do you even know what the word
means? Have you ever looked it up? Let me help you out.........
Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing
intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of
Christianity b
: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint
and
usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the
gold
standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the
essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual
and
standing for the protection of political and civil liberties. -
Merraim-Webster dictionary.
lib·er·al·ism [ líbb?r? lìzz?m, líbbr? lìzz?m ]
noun
1. politics: progressive views: a belief in tolerance and gradual reform
in
moral, religious, or political matters
2. politics: political theory stressing individualism: a political
ideology
with its beginnings in western Europe that rejects authoritarian
government
and defends freedom of speech, association, and religion, and the right
to
own property
3. economics: free-market economics: an economic theory in favor of free
competition and minimal government regulation
4. christianity: Christian theological movement: a movement in modern
Protestantism stressing intellectual freedom and the moral content of
Christianity over the doctrines of traditional theology. -Encarta
Dictionary
lib.er.al.ism
Pronunciation: (lib'ur-u-liz"um, lib'ru-), [key]
-n.
1. the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.
2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the
individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification
of
political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted
development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental
guarantees of
individual rights and civil liberties. -Dictionary.com
Furthermore, the word liberalism comes from the word liberty, which we
can
all agree is an idea that carries great value, and is the main premise
that
our country is based on. Try checking out both sides of an issue
sometime.
And check out Acts, chapter 2 and 4 for examples of socialism in the
church.
sounds like a liberal dictionary, LOL
It sure is that!!!
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Scott in Florida
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'Tis really sad. There was a school of liberals before the Commies took
over the far left that would live up to the old definition of liberal. Now
the only phrase fit for most of the liberals in this country is the Russian
phrase "Na Levo" which means both "On the Left" and is slang for "Under the
table", which definitions both fit. <g>
Charles of Kankakee
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HachiRoku
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:44 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:06:07 -0600, diel wrote:
| Quote: | In article <9ePpd.4470$Fg2.1819488@newshog.newsread.com>,
"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:
At least you remembered the quotes. Hope you got matching permission.
If memory serves he was at the Crystal Cathedral shooting up with the
Schuller pair (I & II) when he had this revelation. What a piece of work.
Keep the funnies coming!
fanny,
Are the martians attacking us yet?,,, LOL
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And I thought it was ME!
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hope u had a happy TG, but i doubt it |
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FanJet
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:44 am Post subject:
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Scott in Florida wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:45:09 GMT, "FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com
wrote:
Scott in Florida wrote:
"Well, folks, let's allow our real undoctored American history
lesson to unfold further. If our schools and the media have twisted
the historical record when it comes to Columbus, they have
obliterated the contributions of America's earliest permanent
settlers, the Pilgrims. Why? Because they were a people inspired by
profound religious beliefs to overcome incredible odds. Today,
public schools are simply not teaching how important the religious
dimension was in shaping our history and our nation's character.
Whether teachers are just uncomfortable with this material or
whether there's been a concerted effort to cover up the truth, the
results are the same. Kids are no longer learning enough to
understand and appreciate how and why America was created.
"The story of the Pilgrims begins in the early part of the
seventeenth century (that's the 1600s for those of you in Rio
Linda, California). The Church of England under King James I was
persecuting anyone and everyone who did not recognize its absolute
civil and spiritual authority. Those who challenged ecclesiastical
authority and those who believed strongly in freedom of worship
were hunted down, imprisoned, and sometimes executed for their
beliefs. A group of separatists first fled to Holland and
established a community. After eleven years, about forty of them
agreed to make a perilous journey to the New World, where they
would certainly face hardships, but could live and worship God
according to the dictates of their own consciences. On August 1,
1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers,
including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey,
Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and
equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of
their religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas
expressed in the Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible.
"The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the
Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for
their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in
Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work. But
this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World
was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New
England in November, they found, according to Bradford's detailed
journal, a cold, barren, desolate wilderness. There were no friends
to greet them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them.
There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. And the
sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning. During the
first winter, half the Pilgrims - including Bradford's own wife -
died of either starvation, sickness or exposure. When spring
finally came, Indians taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish
for cod and skin beavers for coats. Life improved for the Pilgrims,
but they did not yet prosper!
"This is important to understand because this is where modern
American history lessons often end. Thanksgiving is actually
explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims
gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a
devout expression of gratitude grounded in the tradition of both
the Old and New Testaments. Here is the part that has been omitted:
The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their
merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to
go into a common store, and each member of the community was
entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the
houses they built belong to the community as well. Bradford, who
had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this
form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims
as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives.
"He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to
each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the
marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the
Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be
described as socialism. And what happened? It didn't work! Surprise,
surprise, huh? What Bradford and his community found was that the
most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any
harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of
personal motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has
been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years -
trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it - the Pilgrims
decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about
this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history
lesson If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering in the
future."
Rush H. Limbaugh, Jr.
At least you remembered the quotes. Hope you got matching permission.
If memory serves he was at the Crystal Cathedral shooting up with the
Schuller pair (I & II) when he had this revelation. What a piece of
work. Keep the funnies coming!
Nah...I didn't get permission....why don't you write Rush and see if
he prosecutes me....ROFL
He would be so honored that I have pissed off some liberals with his
work that he would extend my subscription to Rush 24/7!!!
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What a combination.You're comfortable speaking for Limbaugh (without
permission) and the Schullers & Bushes speak to and for GOD (with no
evidence of fact or permission). I see a pattern.
| Quote: | btw...what do you find wrong with the facts he presented?
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Did you read it before posting?
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:18 pm Post subject:
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In article <1M-dnS3nsNceeDrcRVn-uw@comcast.com>,
"Charles Fregeau" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:cenfq055ods4mau1uic9b1923o2sph8ufh@4ax.com...
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:31:51 -0600, <diel@spm.com> wrote:
In article <fxMpd.75$1z5.42@trnddc06>,
"Truckdude" <keepiton@theboard.com> wrote:
No thoughts of your own on this issue? I'm not surprised that one from
your
school of thought would simply regurgitate the words of the hypocrite
Rush
Limbaugh. Liberalism never works, huh? Do you even know what the word
means? Have you ever looked it up? Let me help you out.........
Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing
intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of
Christianity b
: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint
and
usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the
gold
standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the
essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual
and
standing for the protection of political and civil liberties. -
Merraim-Webster dictionary.
lib·er·al·ism [ líbb?r? lìzz?m, líbbr? lìzz?m ]
noun
1. politics: progressive views: a belief in tolerance and gradual reform
in
moral, religious, or political matters
2. politics: political theory stressing individualism: a political
ideology
with its beginnings in western Europe that rejects authoritarian
government
and defends freedom of speech, association, and religion, and the right
to
own property
3. economics: free-market economics: an economic theory in favor of free
competition and minimal government regulation
4. christianity: Christian theological movement: a movement in modern
Protestantism stressing intellectual freedom and the moral content of
Christianity over the doctrines of traditional theology. -Encarta
Dictionary
lib.er.al.ism
Pronunciation: (lib'ur-u-liz"um, lib'ru-), [key]
-n.
1. the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.
2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the
individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification
of
political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted
development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental
guarantees of
individual rights and civil liberties. -Dictionary.com
Furthermore, the word liberalism comes from the word liberty, which we
can
all agree is an idea that carries great value, and is the main premise
that
our country is based on. Try checking out both sides of an issue
sometime.
And check out Acts, chapter 2 and 4 for examples of socialism in the
church.
sounds like a liberal dictionary, LOL
It sure is that!!!
--
Scott in Florida
'Tis really sad. There was a school of liberals before the Commies took
over the far left that would live up to the old definition of liberal. Now
the only phrase fit for most of the liberals in this country is the Russian
phrase "Na Levo" which means both "On the Left" and is slang for "Under the
table", which definitions both fit. <g
Charles of Kankakee
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For sure. I would say things started changing during or just after LBJ
left office. Things went downhill fast. Today, the democrat party
reminds me of the terrorists in Iraq, they are down and on the run,
trying to regroup, but even failing that. They are loosing followers
fast. Whiners, complainers and angry people, like small children that
can't have their way, are all that remains. Remains of the day, LOL.
-- |
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Charles Fregeau
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:53 pm Post subject:
Re: OT The REAL story of American Thanksgiving ie Liberalis |
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<diel@spm.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <1M-dnS3nsNceeDrcRVn-uw@comcast.com>,
"Charles Fregeau" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:cenfq055ods4mau1uic9b1923o2sph8ufh@4ax.com...
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:31:51 -0600, <diel@spm.com> wrote:
In article <fxMpd.75$1z5.42@trnddc06>,
"Truckdude" <keepiton@theboard.com> wrote:
No thoughts of your own on this issue? I'm not surprised that one
from
your
school of thought would simply regurgitate the words of the hypocrite
Rush
Limbaugh. Liberalism never works, huh? Do you even know what the
word
means? Have you ever looked it up? Let me help you out.........
Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism
emphasizing
intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of
Christianity b
: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint
and
usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and
the
gold
standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the
essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the
individual
and
standing for the protection of political and civil liberties. -
Merraim-Webster dictionary.
lib·er·al·ism [ líbb?r? lìzz?m, líbbr? lìzz?m ]
noun
1. politics: progressive views: a belief in tolerance and gradual
reform
in
moral, religious, or political matters
2. politics: political theory stressing individualism: a political
ideology
with its beginnings in western Europe that rejects authoritarian
government
and defends freedom of speech, association, and religion, and the
right
to
own property
3. economics: free-market economics: an economic theory in favor of
free
competition and minimal government regulation
4. christianity: Christian theological movement: a movement in modern
Protestantism stressing intellectual freedom and the moral content of
Christianity over the doctrines of traditional theology. -Encarta
Dictionary
lib.er.al.ism
Pronunciation: (lib'ur-u-liz"um, lib'ru-), [key]
-n.
1. the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.
2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the
individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent
modification
of
political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted
development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental
guarantees of
individual rights and civil liberties. -Dictionary.com
Furthermore, the word liberalism comes from the word liberty, which
we
can
all agree is an idea that carries great value, and is the main
premise
that
our country is based on. Try checking out both sides of an issue
sometime.
And check out Acts, chapter 2 and 4 for examples of socialism in the
church.
sounds like a liberal dictionary, LOL
It sure is that!!!
--
Scott in Florida
'Tis really sad. There was a school of liberals before the Commies took
over the far left that would live up to the old definition of liberal.
Now
the only phrase fit for most of the liberals in this country is the
Russian
phrase "Na Levo" which means both "On the Left" and is slang for "Under
the
table", which definitions both fit. <g
Charles of Kankakee
For sure. I would say things started changing during or just after LBJ
left office. Things went downhill fast. Today, the democrat party
reminds me of the terrorists in Iraq, they are down and on the run,
trying to regroup, but even failing that. They are loosing followers
fast. Whiners, complainers and angry people, like small children that
can't have their way, are all that remains. Remains of the day, LOL.
--
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Actually, I would say the election of '68 was the pivot point. Humprhey was
one of the last of the old style liberals. McGovern ('72) was definitely
very left leaning, with a lot of the flower children backing him, and the
rules changes instituted after the '68 election paved the way for the New
Left to take over. Also known as the Old Reds, the Pinkos and Fellow
Travelers.
Look at Zell Miller. He's one of the last of the old line Democrats. It
seems incongruent to me that the blacks would want to vote for the party
that until the '60's wanted to keep them 'enslaved'. It was Southern
Democrats that turned the fire hoses on the blacks. Until 1968,
Republicans in the South were non-existent, except during that brief
historical hiccup known as Reconstruction. The people are only now figuring
out that not only has the Democratic Party deserted them at the national
level, but more increasingly at the local level as well.
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Charles Fregeau
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Actually, I would say the election of '68 was the pivot point. Humprhey
was one of the last of the old style liberals. McGovern ('72) was
definitely very left leaning, with a lot of the flower children backing
him, and the rules changes instituted after the '68 election paved the way
for the New Left to take over. Also known as the Old Reds, the Pinkos and
Fellow Travelers.
Look at Zell Miller. He's one of the last of the old line Democrats. It
seems incongruent to me that the blacks would want to vote for the party
that until the '60's wanted to keep them 'enslaved'. It was Southern
Democrats that turned the fire hoses on the blacks. Until 1968,
Republicans in the South were non-existent, except during that brief
historical hiccup known as Reconstruction. The people are only now
figuring out that not only has the Democratic Party deserted them at the
national level, but more increasingly at the local level as well.
Charles of Kankakee
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That is to say, the Democratic Party, having let go of the Extreme Right
elements, did not stop at Conservative or Moderate, or really Liberal, but
shifted all the way to the Extreme Left. There were always some voices in
the party for a bit more moderation. Zell Miller is a Conservative, not one
who would turn fire hoses on anyone. I lived in the South for a while and
there have always been those who were not so far out on the extreme, but
they felt for a long time like they were a minority within the party.
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Scott in Florida
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:53:10 -0600, "Charles Fregeau"
<n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
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diel@spm.com> wrote in message
news:diel-5BC8FD.04183927112004@hermes-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
For sure. I would say things started changing during or just after LBJ
left office. Things went downhill fast. Today, the democrat party
reminds me of the terrorists in Iraq, they are down and on the run,
trying to regroup, but even failing that. They are loosing followers
fast. Whiners, complainers and angry people, like small children that
can't have their way, are all that remains. Remains of the day, LOL.
--
Actually, I would say the election of '68 was the pivot point. Humprhey was
one of the last of the old style liberals. McGovern ('72) was definitely
very left leaning, with a lot of the flower children backing him, and the
rules changes instituted after the '68 election paved the way for the New
Left to take over. Also known as the Old Reds, the Pinkos and Fellow
Travelers.
Look at Zell Miller. He's one of the last of the old line Democrats. It
seems incongruent to me that the blacks would want to vote for the party
that until the '60's wanted to keep them 'enslaved'.
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The Democrats did worse than slavery (in my opinion) by instituting
the 'welfare' state for blacks. The rules, although well intended,
brought about the dissolution of the black family.
The Republicans pushed 'welfare reform' thru congress. Part of this
'reform' limited the period of time to 2 years. Democrats cried that
this would cause widespread poverty. Exactly the opposite has
happened!
Democrats are a real enemy to blacks and other minorities(in my
humble opinion).
| Quote: | It was Southern
Democrats that turned the fire hoses on the blacks. Until 1968,
Republicans in the South were non-existent, except during that brief
historical hiccup known as Reconstruction. The people are only now figuring
out that not only has the Democratic Party deserted them at the national
level, but more increasingly at the local level as well.
Charles of Kankakee
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