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Irv
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:29 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Irv wrote:
"Deano" <deane@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Get a life and admit defeat when George W carried the biggest popular
vote in history!
And also had more votes cast AGAINST him than any other president in
history.
Irrelevant! And he wont with more votes than anyone in history. When was
the last democrat elected with more than 50% of the votes? And apparently,
more people voted for him. I'd say more so even voted agaisnt Kerry, as he
got less popular votes.
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I wasn't making any claims......I was debunking the neocon chestbeating
about a mandate of the people. Which a victory by 2% of the voters
isn't.....
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Irv
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:31 am Post subject:
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"MDT Tech®" <GOP_Majority@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
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"Rich Lockyer" <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote in message
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buddy.
Fuck off....I already have enough friends.....
Rich, looks like truth and facts are not a liberal freind. Great info by
the way. I didnt realize Clinton won with so little votes the first time.
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Nice try........now you're trying to make me out ot be a liar because I
didn't challenge something Rich posted.....I didn't challenge because I have
no issue with his data........
Just like Bush's people do.....can't reason, smear. |
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Jasmine
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:32 am Post subject:
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"Irv" <steve@mypantsnite.com> wrote in message
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"Joseph Oberlander" <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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To quote: "Get over it!"
Don't have to.......there are other elections in the future, local,
regional, and yes...national. I don't have to "get over it", I can fight
to
change an administration I view with disgust. I love my country too much
to
"get over it".
So far there have been 38 Americans killed in Falluja this week.......
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and another 12 in the rest of the country. 50 US Soldiers Killed in Last
Five Days
http://www.antiwar.com/ewens/?articleid=3977
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Chris
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:34 am Post subject:
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"Irv" <steve@mypantsnite.com> wrote in message
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"Joseph Oberlander" <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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To quote: "Get over it!"
Don't have to.......there are other elections in the future, local,
regional, and yes...national. I don't have to "get over it", I can fight
to
change an administration I view with disgust. I love my country too much
to
"get over it".
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| Quote: | So far there have been 38 Americans killed in Falluja this week.......
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so whats your point there? Why don't you hold their killers responsible. |
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Jasmine
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:37 am Post subject:
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"MDT Tech®" <GOP_Majority@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Irv wrote:
"Rich Lockyer" <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote in message
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snjip
Rich, looks like truth and facts are not a liberal freind. Great info by
the way. I didnt realize Clinton won with so little votes the first time.
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Speaking of truth:http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/11/303362.shtml
Patriotic CBS insider says that her corp. & others on "lock down" about Nov.
2 vote fraud!
author: fascism watch
On Friday I received a phone call from a good friend who works at
CBS--I've known her for years and she is a Producer for some of the news
programs, one well known one in particular. She tipped me off that the news
media is in a "lock-down" and that there is to be no TV coverage of the real
problems with voting on Nov. 2nd.
She said similar "lock-down orders" had come down last year after the
invasion of Iraq, but this is far worse--far scarier. She said the majority
of their journalists at CBS and elsewhere in NYC are pretty horrified--every
one is worried about their jobs and retribution Dan Rather style or worse.
My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their
own time but she was pissed and her journalistic and moral integrity as what
she considers to be a gov't watchdog requires her to speak out, while be it
covert and she therefore asked me to "spread" the word...
She said another friend of hers, a producer at MSNBC, said that an
anchor by the name of Keith Olbermann had brought it up on his show on
Friday eve and the axe came down. He's at least fighting back and talking
about it on his "Blog", but she said that people there are worried that he's
going to be fired by higher ups. She said at this point the only way that
the "real news" was going to be if the people started talking about it and
made a big enough stink about it to our elected officials, the FEC, and
"noise" to the international media, that our own media won't have any choice
but to cover it. (Yes, this is really happening in the good ole' supposed
"democratic" free press of the US of A). The only place you'll see this
talked about right now is on the internet and on AirAmericaRadio.
How easy a lockdown order is. Takes only 6 people to control all USA
TV news.
Mass Media In 'Lock Down' Not To Cover Vote Fraud
By Peter Coyote
11-13-2004
There is a bumper sticker I saw months ago that sums up the current
state of affairs in our country regarding what is the biggest news story
you'll never see on the General Media reported. It said "IF YOUR NOT
OUTRAGED, YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION".
On Friday I received a phone call from a good friend who works at
CBS--I've known her for years and she is a Producer for some of the news
programs, one well known one in particular. She tipped me off that the news
media is in a "lock-down" and that there is to be no TV coverage of the real
problems with voting on Nov. 2nd. She said similar "lock-down orders" had
come down last year after the invasion of Iraq, but this is far worse--far
scarier. She said the majority of their journalists at CBS and elsewhere in
NYC are pretty horrified--every one is worried about their jobs and
retribution Dan Rather style or worse. My source said they've also been
forbidden to talk about it even on their own time but she was pissed and her
journalistic and moral integrity as what she considers to be a gov't
watchdog requires her to speak out, while be it covert and she therefore
asked me to "spread" the word... She said that journalism and the truth is
at stake. She said another friend of hers, a producer at MSNBC, said that an
anchor by the name of Keith Olbermann had brought it up on his show on
Friday eve and the axe came down. He's at least fighting back and talking
about it on his "Blog", but she said that people there are worried that he's
going to be fired by higher ups. She said at this point the only way that
the "real news" was going to be if the people started talking about it and
made a big enough stink about it to our elected officials, the FEC, and
"noise" to the international media, that our own media won't have any choice
but to cover it. (Yes, this is really happening in the good ole' supposed
"democratic" free press of the US of A). The only place you'll see this
talked about right now is on the internet and on AirAmericaRadio.
Everyone--this is serious....I can't emphasize it any more than saying
if there was ever a time to speak up and take action it is NOW.
If you are feeling sick to your stomach (like me) about the
possibility of 4 more years under Bush and the future of our country, and
yet you feel helpless, here's your opportunity to take action. Imagine if
you saw a loved one drowning--what do you do? Well, our country's democracy
is drowning and she needs us.
In an email I sent you last night, I used the F-word--FRAUD and
mentioned to you that I felt strongly that there is a lot of mounting
evidence that this election was not clean. I say that not only out of a
result of my observations while out in the field as a poll watcher in the
key battleground state of Ohio, I say it with the knowledge and information
of reports that have been circulating around the country in various voting
precincts involving irregularities and problems with the voting machines and
numbers not matching up with the exit polls or actual numbers of registered
voters in various precincts. I've been busy researching this issue and
compiling for you below some details of these reports and where you can get
more info:
To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:
1- That the exit polls were WRONG...(remember--they have been used for
over a decade and considered reliable)
2- That Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning OH, FL were
WRONG. He was within a less than 1/2 % point margin of error in his 2000
final poll and previous polls for other elections.
3- That Harris Poll last minute polling for Kerry was WRONG. They were
also within a 1/2% point margin of error in their 2000 final poll.
4- The Incumbent Rule
I (that undecideds primarily break at the end for the challenger)was
WRONG.
5- The 50% Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent doesn't do better than
his final polling)
6- The Approval Rating Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent with less
than 50% approval will most likely lose the election)
7- That Journalist Greg Palast was WRONG when he said that even before
the election, 1 million votes were stolen from Kerry. He was the ONLY
reporter to break the fact that 90,000 Florida blacks were disnfranchised in
2000.
8- That it was just a COINCIDENCE that the exit polls were CORRECT
where there WAS a PAPER TRAIL and INCORRECT (+5% for Bush) where there was
NO PAPER TRAIL.
9- That the surge in new young voters had NO positive effect for
Kerry, even though it was the largest number of youth voters 18-29 ever and
a huge jump from 2000 and they were over 55% in favor of Kerry. >> 10- That
Bush BEAT 99 to 1 mathematical odds in winning the election.
11- That Kerry did WORSE than Gore against an opponent who LOST the
support of SCORES of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000.
12- That Bush did better than an 18 national poll average which showed
him tied with Kerry at 47. In other words, Bush got 80% of the undecided
vote to end up with a 51-48 majority--when ALL professional pollsters agree
that the undecided vote ALWAYS goes to the challenger.
13- That Voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and
with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of
computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were NOT tampered
with in this election.
Some Examples: (There are many more, but I won't list them all
here--this is to give you an idea)
- The City of Gahanna in Ohio discovered a discrepancy that gave 4,000
votes to George Bush. After media scrutiny, city officials have admitted to
an electronic "glitch" that caused the problem.
- In Broward County, FL, errors in software code caused a referendum
on gambling to be completely overturned. The error caused totals to count
backwards after reaching a ceiling of 32,500 votes. The problem existed in
the 2002 election as well however the issue was never resolved by the
manufacturer of the electronic voting machine.
- In North Carolina, a Craven County district logged 11,283 more votes
than voters and actually overturned the results of a regional race.
For more info, go to: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm |
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Lou
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:09:50 -0700, "Irv" <steve@mypantsnite.com>
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| Quote: | They're finding virtually NO foreign fighters in Falluja.......all the
insurgents are locals.
What's your point? |
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Eric Dreher
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:28:27 -0700, "Irv" <steve@mypantsnite.com>
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| Quote: | You must be a product of the No Child Left Behind program.........51%
subtract 49% equals 2%
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Not anymore, binky:
http://news.yahoo.com/electionresults
Now here's a problem for you, our self-proclaimed math whiz:
Take the vote totals for each candidate, then figure out how many
more percentage points Bush got than Kerry among those who actually
voted.
Don't strain your brain.
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The DNC - Building a bridge to the 20th Century. |
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Irv
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"Chris" <eschaton@BURDENadelphia.net> wrote in message
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"Irv" <steve@mypantsnite.com> wrote in message
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"Joseph Oberlander" <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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To quote: "Get over it!"
Don't have to.......there are other elections in the future, local,
regional, and yes...national. I don't have to "get over it", I can fight
to
change an administration I view with disgust. I love my country too much
to
"get over it".
So far there have been 38 Americans killed in Falluja this week.......
so whats your point there? Why don't you hold their killers responsible.
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We could, but the will of the people voted him into office.
They're finding virtually NO foreign fighters in Falluja.......all the
insurgents are locals. Looks like we've been misled again.
Our folks are dieing there because the administration was dishonest with us. |
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Joseph Oberlander
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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MDT Tech® wrote:
| Quote: | Joseph Oberlander wrote:
The trust is, the combined popular vote is utterly worthless
in our system. To quote: "Get over it!"
Your right Joey, i ts the "electoral vote" and GWB beat Gore and Kerry
in both of those.
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That remains to be seen. New Mexico, for instance, is stalling
on their certification. 4 republican precencts left to certify
and *55* democratic ones, with a 7,000 vote difference. One
county had nearly no votes for President. In an area where
people drove sometimes a hundred miles to vote and yet
didn't decide for President?
But there's no problem...
Ohio is a huge flaming mess as the numbers shrink to about
30,000 votes more for Bush without the provisional ones
being counted. So far, over 100,000 votes were cast
than people voted/were registered.
But that's not a "hacked" vote...
Nevada is on record as having more people voting than
cast votes as well - OOPS. Pull apart the data on
their secretary of state's website - even though
it's "unofficial", the raw data has more votes than
people voted.
But there's no problem - just a "glitch" in the
data which will be rectified later...
Face it, Scott. This election is anything but "clean". |
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Joseph Oberlander
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Irv wrote:
| Quote: | I wasn't making any claims......I was debunking the neocon chestbeating
about a mandate of the people. Which a victory by 2% of the voters
isn't.....
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Correct. Regan had a "mandate". |
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Eric Dreher
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:26:24 -0700, "Irv" <steve@mypantsnite.com>
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"MDT Tech®" <GOP_Majority@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
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Irv wrote:
Figures.......no wonder you bought all of Bush's BS.
Couldn't think of anything intelligent to say??
Figures.......no wonder you bought all of Kerry's BS.
Not only did you repeat my comment as if it was your own, but you left out
the part where I DIDN'T call the other guy a fag........
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LOL. It isn't as though your opinion matters for squat in that
matter.
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Irv
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"Jasmine" <jamineimpeachbush@hitmail.com> wrote in message
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"Irv" <steve@mypantsnite.com> wrote in message
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"Joseph Oberlander" <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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To quote: "Get over it!"
Don't have to.......there are other elections in the future, local,
regional, and yes...national. I don't have to "get over it", I can fight
to
change an administration I view with disgust. I love my country too much
to
"get over it".
So far there have been 38 Americans killed in Falluja this week.......
and another 12 in the rest of the country. 50 US Soldiers Killed in Last
Five Days
http://www.antiwar.com/ewens/?articleid=3977
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All they have to do is last one more day than we do.........and we're there
because of a lie. |
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MDT Tech®
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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Irv wrote:
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Don't have to.......there are other elections in the future, local,
regional, and yes...national. I don't have to "get over it", I can fight to
change an administration I view with disgust. I love my country too much to
"get over it".
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Well, you've got you work cut out. Your down in the senate by 10, down
in the house by 35, down in govenorships.
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So far there have been 38 Americans killed in Falluja this week.......
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And you forget to mention 1,600 insurgents killed and Arafat is dead,
Iran has bailed on the nuclear ambition. But all good news is bad news
for demonrats, sorry. :-(
Enjoy your 4 year poop face LOL :D |
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MDT Tech®
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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Irv wrote:
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I wasn't making any claims......I was debunking the neocon chestbeating
about a mandate of the people. Which a victory by 2% of the voters
isn't.....
Last demonrats to win with over 50% of the votes, you'll have to go way |
back to FDR era in the 30's! |
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Lou
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:29:50 -0700, "Irv" <steve@mypantsnite.com>
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| Quote: | I wasn't making any claims......I was debunking the neocon chestbeating
about a mandate of the people. Which a victory by 2% of the voters
isn't.....
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Uh, it was three percent. You might want to tell the truth.
Weren't you just saying "Just like Bush's people do.....can't reason,
smear. " Seems to me, since the best you seem to be able to do is
repeat wrong information and hurl insults, are the one smearing.
Face it. Bush won the election, which *IS BY DEFINATION* the mandate
of the people. |
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