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fbloogyudsr
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject:
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"Philip K" <PhilipK@nospam.invalid> wrote
| Quote: | On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:15:50 -0700, "fbloogyudsr" wrote:
No. Ferrari has mid and front engines. Lambo and most others
are mid. Porsche has rear (911 et. al.) and mid (Boxster).
You're forgetting the Cayenne, which is front engined.
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Well, yes, I did. But then a 5000lb SUV can't be a real Porsche,
can it? ;->
BTW, one of my wife's most hated TV commercials (over here in
the US) is of a Cayenne S sitting in a driveway, with a phone underneath
near the exhaust pipes, with the motor revving (for about 10 seconds).
Then the driver gets out, picks up the phone and says: "unbelievable,
isn't it" or some such tripe (and continues to talk while a voiceover
comes on.)
Floyd
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Martin²
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:31 am Post subject:
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Philip K:
(Hertfordshire, England)
| Quote: | than the DeLoren, almost no other cars than 911 use rear.
Tatra? Skoda?
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Ah yes, Ferdinand Porsche worked for Tatra back before the second world war
where he learned all about air cooled
engines and V8 rear engined cars. Tatra doesn't make cars anymore.
The old rear engined Skoda's were a 'rip of' a Renault Dauphine / Renault 8
(both rear engined).
There were lots more rear engined cars, e.g. Hillman Imp, Renault Alpine
etc.
Regards,
Martin |
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Jim Keenan
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Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:01 pm Post subject:
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E Brown wrote:
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I think definitely the 996 is similar to the last of the 928s - a
GT. I'm not so sure the 997 has moved back, though. I'm curious about
how the Cayman drives - I think it might be a *serious* sports car.
Emanuel
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I haven't driven a 997 yet, but the various magazine test drive articles
seem to share a common thread - that the 997 has returned to more
sporting roots. The Carrera S has the Porsche Active Suspension
Management as standard and the car reportedly is good for 1+ G on the
skidpad.
I think it was Car and Driver that speculated the Cayman will come in
with about 290 HP and could be be faster than the base (320 HP) 997
Carrera. That does seem pretty serious to me, too.
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Jim Keenan
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Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject:
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Dan Stephenson wrote:
| Quote: | In article <u26ae.29163$lv1.12528@fed1read06>, Jim Keenan
jtk3@cox.net> wrote:
Didn't like the huge blind spot (for me) at the C pillar and the car was
not as comfortable due to limited seatback reclining (I'm 6'2"). It also
could have used more power.
What is a C pillar?
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The C pillar is where the rear roof line runs down to the rear deck. In
the Boxster the soft top is so wide it created a huge blind spot for me,
even when I turned my head before changing lanes.
By contrast, the A pillar is where the frame of the windshield runs down
to the cowl..... |
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Jim Keenan
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Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject:
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Dan Stephenson wrote:
| Quote: | In article <yH6ae.29164$lv1.1724@fed1read06>, Jim Keenan <jtk3@cox.net
wrote:
I've driven 964s and 993s, and the 996 does feel different. It's not as
"edgy" as the earlier cars and to me at least, the 996 is more
comfortable, so "tamer" is duly noted. I think the 996 moved more toward
the GT side of the ledger as opposed to "sports car" than earlier 911s,
and the 997 has apparently moved back.
What do you mean by "GT side" as opposed to "sports car"?
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A comfortable, fast conveyance for 2 passengers and luggage that may
sacrifice some outright performance to provide the comfort.
The sports car tends to maximize performance and driving characteristics
generally at the expense of higher comfort levels.
My definitions - your mileage may vary........ |
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Paul Spencer
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Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 06:06:48 -0700, Jim Keenan <jtk3@cox.net> wrote:
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Dan Stephenson wrote:
In article <u26ae.29163$lv1.12528@fed1read06>, Jim Keenan
jtk3@cox.net> wrote:
Didn't like the huge blind spot (for me) at the C pillar and the car was
not as comfortable due to limited seatback reclining (I'm 6'2"). It also
could have used more power.
What is a C pillar?
The C pillar is where the rear roof line runs down to the rear deck. In
the Boxster the soft top is so wide it created a huge blind spot for me,
even when I turned my head before changing lanes.
By contrast, the A pillar is where the frame of the windshield runs down
to the cowl.....
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There is a big button above the windscreen in the centre of the car.
Press that. Then pull back the handle and press one more button. You
will find that visibility increases immensely :-)
All two-seaters I have driven have pretty bad blind spots when trying
to look over your shoulder with the roof up. OTOH, the Boxster has
excellent mirrors. At least, the UK ones have. I don't know if they
are the same elsewhere.
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Steve Travis
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Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:11 am Post subject:
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Jim Keenan wrote:
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E Brown wrote:
I think definitely the 996 is similar to the last of the 928s - a
GT. I'm not so sure the 997 has moved back, though. I'm curious about
how the Cayman drives - I think it might be a *serious* sports car.
Emanuel
I haven't driven a 997 yet, but the various magazine test drive articles
seem to share a common thread - that the 997 has returned to more
sporting roots. The Carrera S has the Porsche Active Suspension
Management as standard and the car reportedly is good for 1+ G on the
skidpad.
I think it was Car and Driver that speculated the Cayman will come in
with about 290 HP and could be be faster than the base (320 HP) 997
Carrera. That does seem pretty serious to me, too.
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According to the latest Panorama magazine, it should have 295hp and be
faster than the 1997 993. There was no mention of the 997. |
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Bernard farquart
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Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:44 am Post subject:
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"E Brown" <epbrown01@att.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Emanuel
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2003 BMW 325i Black/Black
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Did you sell the 928 and the 911?
your sig line got shorter.
Bernard
'84 928
(pulled out the rear suspention today!) |
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Jim Keenan
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Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:54 am Post subject:
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Steve Travis wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Keenan wrote:
E Brown wrote:
I think definitely the 996 is similar to the last of the 928s - a
GT. I'm not so sure the 997 has moved back, though. I'm curious about
how the Cayman drives - I think it might be a *serious* sports car.
Emanuel
I haven't driven a 997 yet, but the various magazine test drive
articles seem to share a common thread - that the 997 has returned to
more sporting roots. The Carrera S has the Porsche Active Suspension
Management as standard and the car reportedly is good for 1+ G on the
skidpad.
I think it was Car and Driver that speculated the Cayman will come in
with about 290 HP and could be be faster than the base (320 HP) 997
Carrera. That does seem pretty serious to me, too.
According to the latest Panorama magazine, it should have 295hp and be
faster than the 1997 993. There was no mention of the 997.
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Are you sure they're comparing the Cayman with a 1997 993? Why would they?
May Car and Driver, page 38 on the Cayman S: "The newest Porsche....will
enter the lineup as a 2006 model above the base 911 Carrera and below
the 911 Carrera S. Power comes from a 3.4 liter.....that will put out
291 horsepower and may make the lighter-than-a-droptop-Boxster Cayman
faster than a base 321-hp 911 Carrera".
April Panorama, page 94: "The Cayman S....has a 3.4 305 hp mill....There
will apparently be two additional versions, a mid-level with a 295 hp
3.4 liter engine, and an entry-level Cayman with the Boxster 3.2 liter
engine. Reportedly the new Cayman S can lap Nurburgring faster than the
Carrera". |
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E Brown
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Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 02:44:28 GMT, "Bernard farquart"
<Bernardfarquart@deletehotmail.com> wrote:
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"E Brown" <epbrown01@att.net> wrote in message
news:9u4i61lodk39ik080usrdph4qnmc511p47@4ax.com...
Emanuel
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1983 Porsche 944 Guards Red/Black
2003 BMW 325i Black/Black
Did you sell the 928 and the 911?
your sig line got shorter.
The 911 is gone, the 928 is pending (I hope), and someone's already |
called dibs on the 944. I'm having the opposite of a mid-life crisis -
as I get older, I want something a bit more practical! :)
Seriously, I lost my garage space and parking 3 classic Porsches on
the streets of Chicago wasn't working. I'm hoping to get down to just
the Bimmer by the end of May, and return to the Porsche fold when I've
got the space to shelter one properly and work on it.
Emanuel
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2003 BMW 325i Black/Black |
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Steve Travis
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:15 am Post subject:
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Jim Keenan wrote:
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Steve Travis wrote:
Jim Keenan wrote:
E Brown wrote:
I think definitely the 996 is similar to the last of the 928s - a
GT. I'm not so sure the 997 has moved back, though. I'm curious about
how the Cayman drives - I think it might be a *serious* sports car.
Emanuel
I haven't driven a 997 yet, but the various magazine test drive
articles seem to share a common thread - that the 997 has returned to
more sporting roots. The Carrera S has the Porsche Active Suspension
Management as standard and the car reportedly is good for 1+ G on the
skidpad.
I think it was Car and Driver that speculated the Cayman will come in
with about 290 HP and could be be faster than the base (320 HP) 997
Carrera. That does seem pretty serious to me, too.
According to the latest Panorama magazine, it should have 295hp and be
faster than the 1997 993. There was no mention of the 997.
Are you sure they're comparing the Cayman with a 1997 993? Why would they?
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No.....I made an oopsie. They're comparing it to the 1997 996. See page
10 of the April Panorama Issue.
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May Car and Driver, page 38 on the Cayman S: "The newest Porsche....will
enter the lineup as a 2006 model above the base 911 Carrera and below
the 911 Carrera S. Power comes from a 3.4 liter.....that will put out
291 horsepower and may make the lighter-than-a-droptop-Boxster Cayman
faster than a base 321-hp 911 Carrera".
April Panorama, page 94: "The Cayman S....has a 3.4 305 hp mill....There
will apparently be two additional versions, a mid-level with a 295 hp
3.4 liter engine, and an entry-level Cayman with the Boxster 3.2 liter
engine. Reportedly the new Cayman S can lap Nurburgring faster than the
Carrera".
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Seems like there's conflicting reports in the same issue of the mag.
Looks like we'll have to wait and see.
Honestly, though, I don't see how Porsche would allow the Cayman to
outperform the 911. That is their flagship car right? (other than the
Carrera GT which is a limited production). |
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Bernard farquart
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:54 am Post subject:
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"E Brown" <epbrown01@att.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The 911 is gone, the 928 is pending (I hope), and someone's already
called dibs on the 944. I'm having the opposite of a mid-life crisis -
as I get older, I want something a bit more practical! :)
Seriously, I lost my garage space and parking 3 classic Porsches on
the streets of Chicago wasn't working. I'm hoping to get down to just
the Bimmer by the end of May, and return to the Porsche fold when I've
got the space to shelter one properly and work on it.
Emanuel
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1983 Porsche 944 Guards Red/Black
2003 BMW 325i Black/Black
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Well, I hope that works out for you. Good luck
on your new garage hunting.
Bernard |
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Paul Spencer
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:54 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:19:29 GMT, E Brown <epbrown01@att.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm hoping to get down to just
the Bimmer by the end of May, and return to the Porsche fold when I've
got the space to shelter one properly and work on it.
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You have experience of more Porsche models than most here. Which will
you go for if it is to be just one?
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Jim Keenan
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject:
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Steve Travis wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Keenan wrote:
Are you sure they're comparing the Cayman with a 1997 993? Why would
they?
No.....I made an oopsie. They're comparing it to the 1997 996. See page
10 of the April Panorama Issue.
Seems like there's conflicting reports in the same issue of the mag.
Looks like we'll have to wait and see.
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Absolutely. You'd think the Porsche writers would have the same story.....
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Honestly, though, I don't see how Porsche would allow the Cayman to
outperform the 911. That is their flagship car right? (other than the
Carrera GT which is a limited production).
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With both the Carrera and the Cayman available in "S" versions, the
Cayman S may outperform the base Carrera, but certainly not the Carrera S.
Car and Driver is reporting the Cayman S will sticker at about $75K; if
so, that would price it above the base Carrera but below the Carrera S.
Porsche may be positioning the cars in the marketplace so the
performance variant of the Cayman line costs more than the base Carrera
(and justifies the cost by its performance), while for about $5K more
(base) you can have the better performing Carrera S. |
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E Brown
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:46:40 +0100, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk>
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| Quote: | On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:19:29 GMT, E Brown <epbrown01@att.net> wrote:
I'm hoping to get down to just
the Bimmer by the end of May, and return to the Porsche fold when I've
got the space to shelter one properly and work on it.
You have experience of more Porsche models than most here. Which will
you go for if it is to be just one?
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Ideally, I'd have a blood orange/black 1972 911T sunroof coupe with
3.0 engine swapped in. However, if circumstances warranted a more
modern, galvanized car, it'd be a 5-speed 928S4.
Emanuel
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1983 Porsche 944 Guards Red/Black
2003 BMW 325i Black/Black |
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