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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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How can this be?
I thought there was no connection between OBL and Iraq....
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=3&u=/nm/20041119/ts_nm/iraq_usa_smith_dc_1
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden and the
network's ally in Iraq , Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, are trying to
communicate with each other even as they continue to elude U.S.
forces, a senior U.S. general said on Friday.
Air Force Lt. Gen. Lance Smith also said U.S. Central Command may ask
the Pentagon (news - web sites) to raise U.S. troop levels in Iraq by
roughly 3,000 to 5,000, mainly by delaying the scheduled departure of
some soldiers, to improve security before January elections.
Smith, the No. 2 officer in the command responsible for military
operations in the Middle East and Asia, also said it was premature to
declare that the offensive in Falluja has broken the back of Iraq's
insurgency, as the top U.S. Marine general in Iraq said on Thursday.
Smith told reporters at the Pentagon that "we know for a fact that
there are attempted communications" between bin Laden, thought to be
hiding along the Afghan-Pakistani border, and Zarqawi, believed to
have escaped the U.S. offensive in his previous suspected base of
operations in Falluja. Smith did not provide evidence for these
attempted communications.
Speaking after meetings at CIA (news - web sites) headquarters, Smith
said it was doubtful whether these attempted communications -- likely
couriers carrying computer disks -- had succeeded, considering "the
huge distances involved in those lines of communication."
The Jordanian-born Zarqawi, blamed for some of the most notorious
beheadings, kidnappings and bombings in Iraq, recently declared his
allegiance to bin Laden and al Qaeda, which carried out the 2001
attacks on the United States.
Smith said it was unclear whether the attempted communications
involved al Qaeda giving Zarqawi instructions, but added it was
unlikely al Qaeda was in operational control of the Iraqi insurgency,
which U.S. officials have said is controlled primarily by Iraqis.
'BROAD PHILOSOPHY'
"I'm saying that there is a relationship between al Qaeda senior
leadership and Zarqawi. How to characterize that, we don't know yet,"
Smith said.
"But I cannot tell you right now that al Qaeda has said, 'This is what
we want you to do in Iraq.' ... We don't see al Qaeda senior
leadership as being a director of tactical level operations."
Smith added, "So I wouldn't characterize it as giving guidance, other
than broad philosophy."
Lt. Gen. John Sattler, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
at Falluja, said on Thursday the offensive begun on Nov. 8 in the
former rebel stronghold had "broken the back of the insurgency,"
disrupting its operations nationwide.
"I think it's too early for me to say, given the broad perspective of
Iraq, that the backbone of the insurgency is broken," Smith said.
"We believe the impact of Falluja is to have taken away a very
significant safe haven, to have taken away their ability to command
and control from a central location."
Smith added that while he believed Zarqawi escaped the city, he was
"not absolutely convinced" other senior insurgents were so lucky,
including Sheikh Abdullah al-Janabi and Omar Hadid.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said last month the Pentagon might
elevate U.S. troop levels in Iraq ahead of the elections by delaying
the departure of some troops and hastening the arrival of others.
Smith said Central Command may request "an additional brigade's worth
of forces" -- roughly 3,000 to 5,000. This would be accomplished
mainly by delaying by a couple of months the scheduled departure of
Army soldiers, perhaps even beyond the one-year duty in Iraq they had
been promised by the Pentagon, he said.
There are 138,000 U.S. troops in Iraq now.
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Scott in Florida
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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| Quote: | How can this be?
They came in after the invasion, like a lot of the insurgents. |
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I thought there was no connection between OBL and Iraq....
There is now. |
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Scott in Florida
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:49:57 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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How can this be?
They came in after the invasion, like a lot of the insurgents.
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Now that is total B/S.
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I thought there was no connection between OBL and Iraq....
There is now.
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Oh?
And there wasn't before?
Please tell me how that works...
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ToMh
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:49:57 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:bn4tp09qdgluucr803hrru7jg55gk4drhk@4ax.com...
How can this be?
They came in after the invasion, like a lot of the insurgents.
Now that is total B/S.
If you make the claim, you need to provide the proof. But every |
thing I hear about the insurgents point to most of them as being
foreign fighters coming from Iran after the invasion.
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I thought there was no connection between OBL and Iraq....
There is now.
Oh?
And there wasn't before?
Please tell me how that works...
You're the one making the claim, so you tell me. If there's proof, |
I'll accept it. I have no problem with that. But having Al Quada
in Iraq is not the same as a connection between Saddam Husein and
Al Queda. Hell, we have Al Queda in our country. I'm sure
those toads are creeping around in practically every country.
It's no secret that they took the opportunity to come into Iraq
after the invasion.
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That was all part of the ruse by the President opponents
to make the war in Iraq look like a mistake in an effort to win
the election.. During the campaign the democrats stated over and
over that there was NO connection between Iraq and 9/11,
juxtaposed as no connection between Al Qaida and Iraq... big
difference. Many people took the bait, including many in this
NG. If you listened closely, Kerry never said there was no
connection between Iraq and Al Qaida, there definitely was a
connection between Al Qaida and Iraq and most other Islamic
extremists. The 9/11 Commissions report clearly stated so and
Kerry knew it as well.
mike hunt
Scott in Florida wrote:
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How can this be?
I thought there was no connection between OBL and Iraq....
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=3&u=/nm/20041119/ts_nm/iraq_usa_smith_dc_1
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden and the
network's ally in Iraq , Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, are trying to
communicate with each other even as they continue to elude U.S.
forces, a senior U.S. general said on Friday.
Air Force Lt. Gen. Lance Smith also said U.S. Central Command may ask
the Pentagon (news - web sites) to raise U.S. troop levels in Iraq by
roughly 3,000 to 5,000, mainly by delaying the scheduled departure of
some soldiers, to improve security before January elections.
Smith, the No. 2 officer in the command responsible for military
operations in the Middle East and Asia, also said it was premature to
declare that the offensive in Falluja has broken the back of Iraq's
insurgency, as the top U.S. Marine general in Iraq said on Thursday.
Smith told reporters at the Pentagon that "we know for a fact that
there are attempted communications" between bin Laden, thought to be
hiding along the Afghan-Pakistani border, and Zarqawi, believed to
have escaped the U.S. offensive in his previous suspected base of
operations in Falluja. Smith did not provide evidence for these
attempted communications.
Speaking after meetings at CIA (news - web sites) headquarters, Smith
said it was doubtful whether these attempted communications -- likely
couriers carrying computer disks -- had succeeded, considering "the
huge distances involved in those lines of communication."
The Jordanian-born Zarqawi, blamed for some of the most notorious
beheadings, kidnappings and bombings in Iraq, recently declared his
allegiance to bin Laden and al Qaeda, which carried out the 2001
attacks on the United States.
Smith said it was unclear whether the attempted communications
involved al Qaeda giving Zarqawi instructions, but added it was
unlikely al Qaeda was in operational control of the Iraqi insurgency,
which U.S. officials have said is controlled primarily by Iraqis.
'BROAD PHILOSOPHY'
"I'm saying that there is a relationship between al Qaeda senior
leadership and Zarqawi. How to characterize that, we don't know yet,"
Smith said.
"But I cannot tell you right now that al Qaeda has said, 'This is what
we want you to do in Iraq.' ... We don't see al Qaeda senior
leadership as being a director of tactical level operations."
Smith added, "So I wouldn't characterize it as giving guidance, other
than broad philosophy."
Lt. Gen. John Sattler, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
at Falluja, said on Thursday the offensive begun on Nov. 8 in the
former rebel stronghold had "broken the back of the insurgency,"
disrupting its operations nationwide.
"I think it's too early for me to say, given the broad perspective of
Iraq, that the backbone of the insurgency is broken," Smith said.
"We believe the impact of Falluja is to have taken away a very
significant safe haven, to have taken away their ability to command
and control from a central location."
Smith added that while he believed Zarqawi escaped the city, he was
"not absolutely convinced" other senior insurgents were so lucky,
including Sheikh Abdullah al-Janabi and Omar Hadid.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said last month the Pentagon might
elevate U.S. troop levels in Iraq ahead of the elections by delaying
the departure of some troops and hastening the arrival of others.
Smith said Central Command may request "an additional brigade's worth
of forces" -- roughly 3,000 to 5,000. This would be accomplished
mainly by delaying by a couple of months the scheduled departure of
Army soldiers, perhaps even beyond the one-year duty in Iraq they had
been promised by the Pentagon, he said.
There are 138,000 U.S. troops in Iraq now.
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ToMh
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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<RustyFender@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | That was all part of the ruse by the President opponents
to make the war in Iraq look like a mistake in an effort to win
the election.. During the campaign the democrats stated over and
over that there was NO connection between Iraq and 9/11,
juxtaposed as no connection between Al Qaida and Iraq... big
difference. Many people took the bait, including many in this
NG. If you listened closely, Kerry never said there was no
connection between Iraq and Al Qaida, there definitely was a
connection between Al Qaida and Iraq and most other Islamic
extremists. The 9/11 Commissions report clearly stated so and
Kerry knew it as well.
mike hunt
You dumbshit, The 9/11 commision clearly states that there was no |
connection between Iraq and Al Qaida. Why do you constantly make
shit up. |
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Art
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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"Rich Lockyer" <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:22:30 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:49:57 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:bn4tp09qdgluucr803hrru7jg55gk4drhk@4ax.com...
How can this be?
They came in after the invasion, like a lot of the insurgents.
Now that is total B/S.
If you make the claim, you need to provide the proof. But every
thing I hear about the insurgents point to most of them as being
foreign fighters coming from Iran after the invasion.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/front_1.html
Granted, this was after the fighting ended in 1991, but Saddam may
have started organizing insurgent cells in 2001
Oh and maybe tomorrow we will finally find those weapons of mass |
destruction. LOL |
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Rich Lockyer
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:22:30 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:mb6tp0do5o5v5gts74parnh5e3nsed34cm@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:49:57 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:bn4tp09qdgluucr803hrru7jg55gk4drhk@4ax.com...
How can this be?
They came in after the invasion, like a lot of the insurgents.
Now that is total B/S.
If you make the claim, you need to provide the proof. But every
thing I hear about the insurgents point to most of them as being
foreign fighters coming from Iran after the invasion.
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http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/front_1.html
Granted, this was after the fighting ended in 1991, but Saddam may
have started organizing insurgent cells in 2001
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http://richlockyer.tripod.com/ |
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Art
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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<RustyFender@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:419E9D19.16AF4AB3@mailcity.com...
| Quote: | That was all part of the ruse by the President opponents
to make the war in Iraq look like a mistake in an effort to win
the election.. During the campaign the democrats stated over and
over that there was NO connection between Iraq and 9/11,
juxtaposed as no connection between Al Qaida and Iraq... big
difference. Many people took the bait, including many in this
NG. If you listened closely, Kerry never said there was no
connection between Iraq and Al Qaida, there definitely was a
connection between Al Qaida and Iraq and most other Islamic
extremists. The 9/11 Commissions report clearly stated so and
Kerry knew it as well.
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ON WHAT PAGE???
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mike hunt
Scott in Florida wrote:
How can this be?
I thought there was no connection between OBL and Iraq....
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=3&u=/nm/20041119/ts_nm/iraq_usa_smith_dc_1
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden and the
network's ally in Iraq , Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, are trying to
communicate with each other even as they continue to elude U.S.
forces, a senior U.S. general said on Friday.
Air Force Lt. Gen. Lance Smith also said U.S. Central Command may ask
the Pentagon (news - web sites) to raise U.S. troop levels in Iraq by
roughly 3,000 to 5,000, mainly by delaying the scheduled departure of
some soldiers, to improve security before January elections.
Smith, the No. 2 officer in the command responsible for military
operations in the Middle East and Asia, also said it was premature to
declare that the offensive in Falluja has broken the back of Iraq's
insurgency, as the top U.S. Marine general in Iraq said on Thursday.
Smith told reporters at the Pentagon that "we know for a fact that
there are attempted communications" between bin Laden, thought to be
hiding along the Afghan-Pakistani border, and Zarqawi, believed to
have escaped the U.S. offensive in his previous suspected base of
operations in Falluja. Smith did not provide evidence for these
attempted communications.
Speaking after meetings at CIA (news - web sites) headquarters, Smith
said it was doubtful whether these attempted communications -- likely
couriers carrying computer disks -- had succeeded, considering "the
huge distances involved in those lines of communication."
The Jordanian-born Zarqawi, blamed for some of the most notorious
beheadings, kidnappings and bombings in Iraq, recently declared his
allegiance to bin Laden and al Qaeda, which carried out the 2001
attacks on the United States.
Smith said it was unclear whether the attempted communications
involved al Qaeda giving Zarqawi instructions, but added it was
unlikely al Qaeda was in operational control of the Iraqi insurgency,
which U.S. officials have said is controlled primarily by Iraqis.
'BROAD PHILOSOPHY'
"I'm saying that there is a relationship between al Qaeda senior
leadership and Zarqawi. How to characterize that, we don't know yet,"
Smith said.
"But I cannot tell you right now that al Qaeda has said, 'This is what
we want you to do in Iraq.' ... We don't see al Qaeda senior
leadership as being a director of tactical level operations."
Smith added, "So I wouldn't characterize it as giving guidance, other
than broad philosophy."
Lt. Gen. John Sattler, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
at Falluja, said on Thursday the offensive begun on Nov. 8 in the
former rebel stronghold had "broken the back of the insurgency,"
disrupting its operations nationwide.
"I think it's too early for me to say, given the broad perspective of
Iraq, that the backbone of the insurgency is broken," Smith said.
"We believe the impact of Falluja is to have taken away a very
significant safe haven, to have taken away their ability to command
and control from a central location."
Smith added that while he believed Zarqawi escaped the city, he was
"not absolutely convinced" other senior insurgents were so lucky,
including Sheikh Abdullah al-Janabi and Omar Hadid.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said last month the Pentagon might
elevate U.S. troop levels in Iraq ahead of the elections by delaying
the departure of some troops and hastening the arrival of others.
Smith said Central Command may request "an additional brigade's worth
of forces" -- roughly 3,000 to 5,000. This would be accomplished
mainly by delaying by a couple of months the scheduled departure of
Army soldiers, perhaps even beyond the one-year duty in Iraq they had
been promised by the Pentagon, he said.
There are 138,000 U.S. troops in Iraq now.
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Scott in Florida wrote:
And no terrorist in Iraq? I know, they are in Malaysia, Florida, New
York, Pakistan, Turkey, Bali, Australia, Indonesia, SUdan, Saudi Arabia,
Morocco, Kenya, Oman, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iran, Quatar, Cashmere,
Checenia, Kosovo, Jordan, Syria, Israel, Libyia...(and plenty more) but
for some reason, there is zilch in Iraq! |
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ToMh wrote:
| Quote: | "Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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How can this be?
They came in after the invasion, like a lot of the insurgents.
I thought there was no connection between OBL and Iraq....
There is now.
There was then. |
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Rich Lockyer wrote:
Wow, another TomH lie dispelled. |
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Joseph Oberlander
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Scott in Florida wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:49:57 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:bn4tp09qdgluucr803hrru7jg55gk4drhk@4ax.com...
How can this be?
They came in after the invasion, like a lot of the insurgents.
Now that is total B/S.
I thought there was no connection between OBL and Iraq....
There is now.
Oh?
And there wasn't before?
Please tell me how that works...
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How daft are you? OBL is like the moth drawn to the flame
of anarchy that is now Iraq.
He has an endless supply of people to recruit now. |
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Scott in Florida
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 05:52:05 GMT, MDT Tech®
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| Quote: | Scott in Florida wrote:
How can this be?
I thought there was no connection between OBL and Iraq....
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=3&u=/nm/20041119/ts_nm/iraq_usa_smith_dc_1
And no terrorist in Iraq? I know, they are in Malaysia, Florida, New
York, Pakistan, Turkey, Bali, Australia, Indonesia, SUdan, Saudi Arabia,
Morocco, Kenya, Oman, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iran, Quatar, Cashmere,
Checenia, Kosovo, Jordan, Syria, Israel, Libyia...(and plenty more) but
for some reason, there is zilch in Iraq!
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I probably had breakfast with the terrorists when they were at the
flight school in Venice Florida. A couple of friends and I used to go
to the airport for brekky.
Thanks to President Clinton and the Democrats for taking the 'bad
boys' out of the CIA...those guys killed 3000 people in New York and
Washington and PA...
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Apparently you are one of those that took Kerrys bate. Obviously
you still believe that to be the case, but it is not. The 9/11
Commission clearly found a connection between Iraq and mostly ALL
of the Islamic terrorist groups but they did not find that Iraq
was involved in the events of 9/11, however. You may continue
to believe whatever you wish but that will not change the
conclusions of the 9/11 Commission. Both Co-chairman of the
Commission stated, several times on various media outlets, that
Iraq supported Islamic terrors groups including Al Qaida with
money training facilities and other technical assistance..
Mike hunt
ToMh wrote:
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RustyFender@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:419E9D19.16AF4AB3@mailcity.com...
That was all part of the ruse by the President opponents
to make the war in Iraq look like a mistake in an effort to win
the election.. During the campaign the democrats stated over and
over that there was NO connection between Iraq and 9/11,
juxtaposed as no connection between Al Qaida and Iraq... big
difference. Many people took the bait, including many in this
NG. If you listened closely, Kerry never said there was no
connection between Iraq and Al Qaida, there definitely was a
connection between Al Qaida and Iraq and most other Islamic
extremists. The 9/11 Commissions report clearly stated so and
Kerry knew it as well.
mike hunt
You dumbshit, The 9/11 commision clearly states that there was no
connection between Iraq and Al Qaida. Why do you constantly make
shit up. |
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