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K. Daver
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Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:08 am Post subject:
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Hey everyone..
I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it. I'm
looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions that
I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up their car
-- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest answers and
want to make sure I get a decent car.
I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or
newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty
surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web sites and
everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas mileage.
How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate (fancy
word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty reliable
and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable rating.
Are there specific models or model years that are more prone for
failure/problems?
The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up to
100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very smooth.
It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved it. I
also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the differences
between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing it
should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are pretty
much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I drove
the Audi, I really liked it. Just looking for some feedback from fellow
owners.
If you reply privately please remove the "NOSPAM" from my email address.
Thanks in advance!
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Peter Bell
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Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:35 am Post subject:
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"K. Daver" <duckie74NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it.
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Great! Are you thinking of the A4 or A6?
| Quote: | I'm looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions
that I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up
their car -- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest
answers and want to make sure I get a decent car.
I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or
newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty
surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web sites and
everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas mileage.
How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate (fancy
word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty reliable
and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable rating.
Are there specific models or model years that are more prone for
failure/problems?
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Well, I've owned a 1996 A4 2.6l, 2000 A6 2.7T and 2003 RS6. My wife has
a 2002 A2. The A4 had a fault which caused it to run roughly -
quickly fixed by replacing a fuel injector at no cost to me. None of
the other cars has had anything other than a very minor niggle. I've
been veru happy with all of these cars.
| Quote: | The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up to
100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very smooth.
It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved it.
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I don't understand what you mean by 'pulling'. Be aware that you're
comparing a four cylinder against a V6 engine - you shouldn't expect
the four to be as smooth as the six.
| Quote: | I also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the differences
between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
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No need for both - the 3.0 is a later replacement for the 2.8.
| Quote: | Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing it
should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are pretty
much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
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Don't expect repairs to be cheap, but regular maintenance shouldn't be
very different ot other makes.
| Quote: | I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I drove
the Audi, I really liked it.
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Same here - before I bought the A4, I test drove a BMW 3-series and
wasn't impressed. My Volvo dealer couldn't even be bothered to find me
a car to test! On the strength of that, and my subsequent satisfaction,
I've stuck to Audis.
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Ronny
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Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:46 am Post subject:
Re: Audi questions from a perspective buyer |
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"K. Daver" <duckie74NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mz3Yd.8149$DW.6879@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
| Quote: | Hey everyone..
I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it. I'm
looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions that
I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up their car
-- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest answers and
want to make sure I get a decent car.
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You will get a decent car, an Audi :)
| Quote: | I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or
newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty
surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web sites and
everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas
mileage. |
Most Audi owners are always Audi owners, I think that says enough about the
marque
| Quote: | How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate (fancy
word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty reliable
and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable rating.
Are there specific models or model years that are more prone for
failure/problems?
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Depends how you drive it, drive it with care and consideration and expect it
to last as long as you keep it, 200k miles + is nothing for a 3.0
| Quote: | The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up to
100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
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Yup, get the warranty and your laughing, Audi warrantys are very good :)
| Quote: | I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very smooth.
It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved it. I
also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the differences
between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
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There isn't, the 3.0 came to replace the 2.8 which replaced the 2.6, the 2.8
is a 30 valver and is very smooth, the 2.6 is a 12valver but is still smooth
as hell :)
Audi A4 came in 2 Formats <now 3> the first was the B5 then came the B6 in
2002, B6 audi's have the 3.0 engine B5's have the 2.8/2.6
The 1.8T is a very high revving engine, but chipped can take a 3.0, although
the 3.0 is 10x smoother
| Quote: | Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing it
should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are pretty
much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
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No different to any other car really, if your in America there is plenty of
dealers, and if you get a 100k warranty then you don't have to worry about
repairs, only wear and tear.
| Quote: | I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I drove
the Audi, I really liked it. Just looking for some feedback from fellow
owners.
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Best car I've ever owned/driven, I had a 2.6 quattro for 4 years and it had
racked up 160k miles, almost trouble free, my new Audi is the 1.8TQ which is
not as smooth but still nice, of course you have to get quattro or you will
regret not having it :)
Remember Silver is fastest :)
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No probs
Ronny
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JimV
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Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
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Nice car, but if reliability is important to you, I'd look elsewhere.
I've had several Audis (a '01 A4 currently) and they have all had
significant problems. If you do go for it, make sure you have a good
warranty and a mechanic you trust.
K. Daver wrote:
| Quote: | Hey everyone..
I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it. I'm
looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions that
I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up their car
-- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest answers and
want to make sure I get a decent car.
I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or
newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty
surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web sites and
everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas mileage.
How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate (fancy
word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty reliable
and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable rating. Are
there specific models or model years that are more prone for
failure/problems?
The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up to
100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very smooth.
It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved it. I
also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the differences
between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing it
should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are pretty
much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I drove
the Audi, I really liked it. Just looking for some feedback from fellow
owners.
If you reply privately please remove the "NOSPAM" from my email address.
Thanks in advance! |
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Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:17 am Post subject:
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"K. Daver" <duckie74NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hey everyone..
I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it. I'm
looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions that
I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up their car
-- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest answers and
want to make sure I get a decent car.
I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or
newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty
surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web sites and
everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas
mileage.
How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate (fancy
word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty reliable
and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable rating.
Are there specific models or model years that are more prone for
failure/problems?
The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up to
100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very smooth.
It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved it. I
also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the differences
between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing it
should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are pretty
much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I drove
the Audi, I really liked it. Just looking for some feedback from fellow
owners.
If you reply privately please remove the "NOSPAM" from my email address.
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Statistically speaking, Consumer Reports is correct about the 2002 A4.
However, the "engine problems" that they note are no longer an issue. In
fact, they weren't "problems" at all. It was one "problem" -- singular --
that was quite widespread. 2002 A4's (and various other VW/Audis) had a
faulty part in the ignition system (a "coil pack") that would often fail and
leave people stranded on the side of the road. However, the part was
recalled and all cars received a redesigned, trouble-free replacement part.
Thus, while the problem will always persist within Consumer Reports'
statistics, it no longer exists on the road.
Rob
2002 A4 3.0Q
2005 TT 3.2 DSG |
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eBob.com
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Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:26 am Post subject:
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Well ... I just bought my third one two weeks ago. The '95 A6 Quatro wagon,
purchased used, had 140K+ miles on it when I traded it for a '98 A6 Quatro
Wagon, also purchased used, which had 148K miles on it when I sold it to buy
the 2003 A6 Quatro Avant (Audi newspeak for wagon) two weeks ago.
Sure, I've had problems. But none left me stranded. I think that today's
cars, especially the Japanese cars, have gotten so reliable that even cars
which are very reliable, on an absolute scale, can still be far down the
list.
I stop going to an Audi dealer for service as soon as the warranty expires.
My first attempt to find a reliable local mechanic failed. (Just because
they have a German name and even a German accent does not make them good
Audi mechanics!) But on my second try I got lucky. The guy doesn't seem to
take care of too many Audi's but he sure knows what he is doing. And when
he isn't sure he tells me to go to a dealer. I've only had to do that once
for a minor transmission leak.
By the way, my mechanic bought my '98, for his wife and kids. That says
something about his opinion of Audis.
My most serious complaint is lack of cup holders and cubby holes!
Good Luck, Bob
"K. Daver" <duckie74NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hey everyone..
I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it. I'm
looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions that
I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up their car
-- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest answers and
want to make sure I get a decent car.
I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or
newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty
surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web sites and
everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas
mileage.
How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate (fancy
word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty reliable
and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable rating.
Are there specific models or model years that are more prone for
failure/problems?
The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up to
100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very smooth.
It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved it. I
also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the differences
between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing it
should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are pretty
much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I drove
the Audi, I really liked it. Just looking for some feedback from fellow
owners.
If you reply privately please remove the "NOSPAM" from my email address.
Thanks in advance! |
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Kyle Tucker
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In article <mz3Yd.8149$DW.6879@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>,
"K. Daver" <duckie74NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:
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I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either.
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I just hit 100K miles on my 2000 1.8T A4 last week. It has by far
been the most enjoyable AND dependable car I've ever owned. I've
had new Hondas, Toyotas, Volvos and others. The Audi still drives
as tight and fun as mile 1. There's been some issues, but none
with engine or electrical, mostly brakes and wheel bearings. I'll
buy another Audi in a instant.
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K. Daver
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Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject:
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Hi!
Thanks for the reply. I'm thinking of the A4. When I drove the A4 1.8
it felt as though it was dragging something which I contribute to the
motor just being worked more than it did with the V6. When I test drove
the Volvo S60, it felt the same. Like I had to really "HIT" the gas to
get it to go, which I didn't find in the Audi A4 3.0..
I really like the car's sophistication and handling. I also liked the
tiptronic system (which I never knew existed in these or other cars
before I saw it in the Audi).
My only concern is the warranty. Although I'm trying to find one
certified, I was surprised at the amount of Audi's with only a few years
on them and 50-60K miles on them already. Obviously, I don't want an
extended warranty from a non-Audi dealer as I've heard nothing but bad
things about non-dealer extended warranties.
I've checked Ebay (dealer only listings) and found that they seem to be
holding their value well. I'm in the North East, so I definitely want
the all-wheel drive and cold weather package. Up here a loaded used
Audi is still running about $26k (and I don't know how much haggling
they'll do) with probably about 30k miles on it. On Ebay it's about
$20-22k...
I appreciate all your help!
Regards,
Marty
(remove nospam in my email address to reply privately)
Peter Bell wrote:
| Quote: | In message <mz3Yd.8149$DW.6879@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com
"K. Daver" <duckie74NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it.
Great! Are you thinking of the A4 or A6?
I'm looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions
that I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up
their car -- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest
answers and want to make sure I get a decent car.
I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or
newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty
surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web sites and
everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas mileage.
How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate (fancy
word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty reliable
and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable rating.
Are there specific models or model years that are more prone for
failure/problems?
Well, I've owned a 1996 A4 2.6l, 2000 A6 2.7T and 2003 RS6. My wife has
a 2002 A2. The A4 had a fault which caused it to run roughly -
quickly fixed by replacing a fuel injector at no cost to me. None of
the other cars has had anything other than a very minor niggle. I've
been veru happy with all of these cars.
The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up to
100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very smooth.
It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved it.
I don't understand what you mean by 'pulling'. Be aware that you're
comparing a four cylinder against a V6 engine - you shouldn't expect
the four to be as smooth as the six.
I also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the differences
between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
No need for both - the 3.0 is a later replacement for the 2.8.
Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing it
should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are pretty
much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
Don't expect repairs to be cheap, but regular maintenance shouldn't be
very different ot other makes.
I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I drove
the Audi, I really liked it.
Same here - before I bought the A4, I test drove a BMW 3-series and
wasn't impressed. My Volvo dealer couldn't even be bothered to find me
a car to test! On the strength of that, and my subsequent satisfaction,
I've stuck to Audis.
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K. Daver
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Rob,
That's great to hear. Although I trust the magazine, I just didn't
understand why 2003 + 2004 (they didn't rate 2005 yet) still had a stay
away flag, yet they listed no problems with these years. They only
listed the problems with the 2002.
Either way, I'm glad that they fixed the problem with that model and
it's not resurfaced in later years.
Thanks again!
Marty
+ Rob + wrote:
| Quote: | "K. Daver" <duckie74NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mz3Yd.8149$DW.6879@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
Hey everyone..
I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it. I'm
looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions that
I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up their car
-- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest answers and
want to make sure I get a decent car.
I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or
newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty
surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web sites and
everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas
mileage.
How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate (fancy
word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty reliable
and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable rating.
Are there specific models or model years that are more prone for
failure/problems?
The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up to
100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very smooth.
It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved it. I
also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the differences
between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing it
should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are pretty
much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I drove
the Audi, I really liked it. Just looking for some feedback from fellow
owners.
If you reply privately please remove the "NOSPAM" from my email address.
Statistically speaking, Consumer Reports is correct about the 2002 A4.
However, the "engine problems" that they note are no longer an issue. In
fact, they weren't "problems" at all. It was one "problem" -- singular --
that was quite widespread. 2002 A4's (and various other VW/Audis) had a
faulty part in the ignition system (a "coil pack") that would often fail and
leave people stranded on the side of the road. However, the part was
recalled and all cars received a redesigned, trouble-free replacement part.
Thus, while the problem will always persist within Consumer Reports'
statistics, it no longer exists on the road.
Rob
2002 A4 3.0Q
2005 TT 3.2 DSG
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K. Daver
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Bob,
Appreciate the help. What types of problems have you had? For me,
it'll be the most expensive car I've owned. Never been in a position to
have a new(er) car before, so obviously I want to do my homework before
I plunk down the money for it. Repairs, can be costly, so obviously I'm
very interested in their upkeep.
The dealer told me that I must put premium gas in it. Several people at
work drive them (and love them) but use regular gas. One person has a
99 and says he's put nothing but regular gas and it's never been an
issue. Can there be heavy repairs associated with non-premium gas?
I'm in the states and around here premium just spiked to about $2.20 vs
$1.95 for non-premium. No Audi Hybrids yet, right? :)
Thanks again!
Marty
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eBob.com wrote:
| Quote: | Well ... I just bought my third one two weeks ago. The '95 A6 Quatro wagon,
purchased used, had 140K+ miles on it when I traded it for a '98 A6 Quatro
Wagon, also purchased used, which had 148K miles on it when I sold it to buy
the 2003 A6 Quatro Avant (Audi newspeak for wagon) two weeks ago.
Sure, I've had problems. But none left me stranded. I think that today's
cars, especially the Japanese cars, have gotten so reliable that even cars
which are very reliable, on an absolute scale, can still be far down the
list.
I stop going to an Audi dealer for service as soon as the warranty expires.
My first attempt to find a reliable local mechanic failed. (Just because
they have a German name and even a German accent does not make them good
Audi mechanics!) But on my second try I got lucky. The guy doesn't seem to
take care of too many Audi's but he sure knows what he is doing. And when
he isn't sure he tells me to go to a dealer. I've only had to do that once
for a minor transmission leak.
By the way, my mechanic bought my '98, for his wife and kids. That says
something about his opinion of Audis.
My most serious complaint is lack of cup holders and cubby holes!
Good Luck, Bob
"K. Daver" <duckie74NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hey everyone..
I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it. I'm
looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions that
I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up their car
-- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest answers and
want to make sure I get a decent car.
I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or
newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty
surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web sites and
everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas
mileage.
How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate (fancy
word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty reliable
and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable rating.
Are there specific models or model years that are more prone for
failure/problems?
The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up to
100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very smooth.
It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved it. I
also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the differences
between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing it
should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are pretty
much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I drove
the Audi, I really liked it. Just looking for some feedback from fellow
owners.
If you reply privately please remove the "NOSPAM" from my email address.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi Jim!
Sorry to hear that... What problems have you had with the Audi's?
Thanks again!
Marty
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JimV wrote:
| Quote: | Nice car, but if reliability is important to you, I'd look elsewhere.
I've had several Audis (a '01 A4 currently) and they have all had
significant problems. If you do go for it, make sure you have a good
warranty and a mechanic you trust.
K. Daver wrote:
Hey everyone..
I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it. I'm
looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions
that I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up
their car -- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest
answers and want to make sure I get a decent car.
I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems,
while the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in
the electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003
or newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was
pretty surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web
sites and everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe
the gas mileage.
How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate
(fancy word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty
reliable and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable
rating. Are there specific models or model years that are more prone
for failure/problems?
The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up
to 100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very
smooth. It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved
it. I also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the
differences between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing
it should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are
pretty much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I
drove the Audi, I really liked it. Just looking for some feedback
from fellow owners.
If you reply privately please remove the "NOSPAM" from my email address.
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Marty, I am a 'new' Audi owner (bought my 2004 A4 1.8Tq in September of
2003) and am glad I did it. I compared it with the Acura TSX and the
SAAB 9-3 when I was shopping. The 1.8T is great in manual transmission
form, but if you test drove a Tip, I can see how you'd feel it was a
little underpowered. While I have had a few minor annoyances (not
problems) they have all been fixed or are in the process of being fixed
under warranty. Glovebox door and rear seatbelt airbag sensor are
awaiting parts, and I had a sunroof rattle that was fixed. Others have
mentioned the coil pack issues which are all gone. I have about 16,500
miles on mine and have found it to be everything I was hoping it would
be.
In general, the foreign cars I have owned (Volvos and VW's, mostly)
have all been as reliable as anything Japanese - I think the difference
is that the European cars really need to have the regular maintenance
done (oil changes, timing belts, etc.) whereas most Japanese cars you
can just drive them without regard to maintenance. Of course, how many
Accords with 150+ miles do you see, versus Audis, that are still being
driven? Not many.
I use only premium gas in my A4. I haven't tried a lower grade only
because here in NJ, premium is still below $2.00 a gallon and since I
work at home, I only fill up every 10 days to 2 weeks....
Good luck, I don't think you'll be disappointed with an Audi....
Dan D
'04 A4 1.8Tq MT-6
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Marty,
You'd be well advised to use the recommended octane gas for the car -
especially a turbo. Lower octane than recommended causes
knock~pinging~predetonation - which will cause internal engine damage if
left unaddressed. In turbo applications, it's also advisable to use
synthetic oil - true synthetic like Mobil1 - which, of course, is more
costly than regular oil. A look at the owner's manual will provide the info
on the min. octane gas recommended.
On the hybrid idea - Audi only investigated the Hybrid idea in concept.
They do make diesels, but you'd be hard pressed to find one on this side of
the pond.
Cheers!
Steve Sears
1987 Audi 5kTQ
1980 Audi 5k
1962 and '64 Auto Union DKW Junior deLuxes
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| Quote: | Bob,
Appreciate the help. What types of problems have you had? For me,
it'll be the most expensive car I've owned. Never been in a position to
have a new(er) car before, so obviously I want to do my homework before
I plunk down the money for it. Repairs, can be costly, so obviously I'm
very interested in their upkeep.
The dealer told me that I must put premium gas in it. Several people at
work drive them (and love them) but use regular gas. One person has a
99 and says he's put nothing but regular gas and it's never been an
issue. Can there be heavy repairs associated with non-premium gas?
I'm in the states and around here premium just spiked to about $2.20 vs
$1.95 for non-premium. No Audi Hybrids yet, right? :)
Thanks again!
Marty
(remove nospam in my email address to reply privately)
eBob.com wrote:
Well ... I just bought my third one two weeks ago. The '95 A6 Quatro
wagon,
purchased used, had 140K+ miles on it when I traded it for a '98 A6
Quatro
Wagon, also purchased used, which had 148K miles on it when I sold it to
buy
the 2003 A6 Quatro Avant (Audi newspeak for wagon) two weeks ago.
Sure, I've had problems. But none left me stranded. I think that
today's
cars, especially the Japanese cars, have gotten so reliable that even
cars
which are very reliable, on an absolute scale, can still be far down the
list.
I stop going to an Audi dealer for service as soon as the warranty
expires.
My first attempt to find a reliable local mechanic failed. (Just
because
they have a German name and even a German accent does not make them good
Audi mechanics!) But on my second try I got lucky. The guy doesn't
seem to
take care of too many Audi's but he sure knows what he is doing. And
when
he isn't sure he tells me to go to a dealer. I've only had to do that
once
for a minor transmission leak.
By the way, my mechanic bought my '98, for his wife and kids. That says
something about his opinion of Audis.
My most serious complaint is lack of cup holders and cubby holes!
Good Luck, Bob
"K. Daver" <duckie74NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mz3Yd.8149$DW.6879@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
Hey everyone..
I test drove an Audi 3.0 the other day and absolutely love it. I'm
looking to get a used (certified) Audi soon and had some questions that
I hope can be answered. Of course, the dealers always talk up their car
-- they should, that's their job. I, of course, want honest answers and
want to make sure I get a decent car.
I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of
the Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while
the rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the
electrical system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or
newer cars, but still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty
surprised at this as I've read user reviews on several car web sites and
everyone seems pretty pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas
mileage.
How reliable are these cars? A few local friends who are mechanics,
have told me not to expect them to fix it because they've never worked
on an Audi before, and have heard that they are pretty intricate (fancy
word for expensive in this case). Consumer reports is pretty reliable
and I am concerned that they didn't give it a more favorable rating.
Are there specific models or model years that are more prone for
failure/problems?
The warranty seems pretty decent through certified dealerships -- up to
100K miles or 6(?) years. To me that seemed pretty decent, actually.
I test drove the 1.8 and didn't feel that that the car was very smooth.
It felt as though it was pulling. I drove the 3.0 and loved it. I
also see the 2.8 on the road, but don't understand the differences
between the 2.8 and 3.0. Why the need for both?
Lastly, I do like the car, but it will be the first time I've bought a
"luxury" car, so obviously I'm concerned about the expense of fixing it
should something go wrong. It's my understanding that parts are pretty
much OEM only which does rack up the price quite a few bucks.
I also test drove the Volvo S60 and didn't like it at all. Once I drove
the Audi, I really liked it. Just looking for some feedback from fellow
owners.
If you reply privately please remove the "NOSPAM" from my email address.
Thanks in advance!
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I was reading consumer reports and they didn't really speak highly of the
Audi. They rated the 2002 as having a lot of engine problems, while the
rest of the car did fairly well. It didn't do so well in the electrical
system, either. It didn't mention anything on the 2003 or newer cars, but
still rated the Audi as a "stay away". I was pretty surprised at this as
I've read user reviews on several car web sites and everyone seems pretty
pleased, with the exception of maybe the gas mileage.
While I understand why people like consumer reports I have a problem with
some of their conclusions. The A4 is rated as a "stay away" but the Ford
focus, to name one, is rated as a very good buy, yet they've had about ten
or so recalls on them in the last year alone, I fail to see this a reliable
car or a good buy! I could go on and on about other things that they report
on that I don't agree with but this is not the time or place. As far as
Audi's go I've found that as long as the maintenance is done you'll very
really have a problem. If however you never want to check the oil, change
the air or fuel filters or other general maintenance your better off buying
a different car. I've only had one major problem with an Audi. That was my
97 A6q needed a new head gasket, but then again I knew that there would be
some problems with it before I bought it, hence why it was as cheap($9,000
in 2000 from and auction) The car had already had 6 owners before that. So
it was treated really poorly. Now it runs and drives fine 200,000 miles on
it to date.My other Audis have had no problems.
1982 4000s 100,000 miles
1983 4000s 150,000 miles
1984 4000s 256,000 miles
1985 5000s 183,000 miles
1987 5000s 236,000 miles
1997 A6q 200,000 miles |
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"K. Daver" <duckie74NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Rob,
That's great to hear. Although I trust the magazine, I just didn't
understand why 2003 + 2004 (they didn't rate 2005 yet) still had a stay
away flag, yet they listed no problems with these years. They only
listed the problems with the 2002.
Either way, I'm glad that they fixed the problem with that model and
it's not resurfaced in later years.
Thanks again!
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Generally speaking, I trust Consumer Reports too. It's a good, honest
publication that provides insight into a myriad of consumer products. But it
has its flaws, just like anything else. And in this case it's basically a
flaw of omission, in that they fail to note that the widespread major
problem with the 2002 A4 has been addressed and corrected.
That said, the electrical issues that they point out are something else
altogether. German cars are well-known for having an abundance of "cutting
edge" electronic gadgetry. And, thus, they are also somewhat notorious for
developing strange "issues" with some of these electronics -- most of which
are more annoyance than problem really.
For instance, my 2002 A4 exhibits two strange behaviors related to the
electrical system. The first is a bizarre interplay between the cruise
control and the fuel gauge, in which turning on the former causes the latter
to temporarily stop working correctly (basically, the fuel gauge stops going
down until you turn off the cruise, at which time it drops like a rock). And
the second is a kink in the system that causes one of my front turn signal
bulbs to burn out about once a year (probably an electrical surge of some
sort).
Are these things annoying? Certainly. But, in the grand scheme of
things, these issues are relatively minor. And, even though Audi has never
been able to figure out a cure for either of them, they are things I can
live with -- by simply keeping an eye on the odometer when I use cruise and
by shelling out a few bucks for a light bulb periodically.
All in all, I love both of my Audis and wouldn't trade them for anything
(well....okay...maybe a Lotus...).
Rob
2002 A4 3.0Q (Black)
2005 TT 3.2 DSG (Ocean Blue) |
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