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Mark T.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:19 am Post subject:
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I have an "84 Chysler New Yorker and I would like to know what brand of
shocks and struts on the market is considered the best as far as quality?
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Daniel J. Stern
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:25 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Mark T. wrote:
| Quote: | I have an "84 Chysler New Yorker and I would like to know what brand of
shocks and struts on the market is considered the best as far as quality?
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The very best shocks and struts available for your New Yorker are the Koni
units. They are excellent, they are durable, they are adjustable, and they
greatly improve the ride and handling, but probably cost more money than
you probably wish to spend. |
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Bruce Chang
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:50 am Post subject:
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"Mark T." <wtrumbo@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I have an "84 Chysler New Yorker and I would like to know what brand of
shocks and struts on the market is considered the best as far as quality?
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Thanks in advance.
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For aftermarket replacement shocks, Monroe. Don't *DON'T* get Gabriel
shocks or struts. No need to buy OEM shocks from the dealer either.
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« Paul »
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:50 am Post subject:
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Mark T. wrote:
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I have an "84 Chysler New Yorker and I would like to know what brand of
shocks and struts on the market is considered the best as far as quality?
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Thanks in advance.
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Don't get Monroe.
My latest experience with Monroe Sensatrac:
Fronts, right out of the box:
One was leaking, one would not extend.
Rears, right out of the box:
One was leaking, one may have been ok.
I took them back and got Gabriels. I've always have had good luck with Gabs.
As another poster suggested: Koni's are good. |
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Nate Nagel
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject:
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Mark T. wrote:
I have an "84 Chysler New Yorker and I would like to know what brand of
shocks and struts on the market is considered the best as far as quality?
The very best shocks and struts available for your New Yorker are the Koni
units. They are excellent, they are durable, they are adjustable, and they
greatly improve the ride and handling, but probably cost more money than
you probably wish to spend.
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He speaks the truth! Bilsteins are also good if they are available for
your vehicle, but they are not adjustable and still cost more than you
probably want to spend :/
nate
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Nate Nagel
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:32 pm Post subject:
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« Paul » wrote:
| Quote: | Mark T. wrote:
I have an "84 Chysler New Yorker and I would like to know what brand of
shocks and struts on the market is considered the best as far as quality?
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Thanks in advance.
Don't get Monroe.
My latest experience with Monroe Sensatrac:
Fronts, right out of the box:
One was leaking, one would not extend.
Rears, right out of the box:
One was leaking, one may have been ok.
I took them back and got Gabriels. I've always have had good luck with Gabs.
As another poster suggested: Koni's are good.
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Had a similar experience with KYBs. the PO of my car had put KYBs on
the rear just before I bought it, maybe 6 months later they were
rattling and clunking. Replaced with Bilstein and problem goes away.
The specialty (Porsche) shop that I took the car to (I thought I
actually had a more serious suspension problem, no way could it be the
new struts I thought) tore me a new one for using KYBs until I explained
that I didn't buy them - apparently the owner had had similar problems
in the past.
I believe the PO told me there were Gabriels on the front, obviously I
can't tell without disassembly. They have been fine although a little
underdamped for the application. I've been using Gabriels on all my
Studebakers just because they are the only mfgr. that still makes a
direct fit shock (the Konis were discontinued years ago) and they work
fine in that app.
good luck
nate
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Richard
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject:
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We need to loby Bilstein to start selling their dampers for Chrysler
products, especially now that they are a "German" company also. Very
fustrating.
Koni makes both mono and dual tube shocks; I have had great results with
Bilstein's mono tube shocks - one rear set totally transformed a 1975
Chrysler Cutlass into a truly decent handling vehicle on real roads with
bumps and all.
Richard. |
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HLS
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:56 pm Post subject:
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"Mark T." <wtrumbo@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:E2QTd.12348$Q47.10327@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
| Quote: | I have an "84 Chysler New Yorker and I would like to know what brand of
shocks and struts on the market is considered the best as far as quality?
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After considerable research, I recently replaced my van OEM's with Bilstein.
What a difference! |
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Mike Walsh
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject:
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Most after market shocks and struts are wimpy, because most people like the mushy ride that their old worn out shocks and struts gave them. A few years ago I installed Gabriel "sport suspension" struts on my Beretta. They are firmer than the factory struts ever were, the soft struts being one of the car's weaknesses.
"Mark T." wrote:
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I have an "84 Chysler New Yorker and I would like to know what brand of
shocks and struts on the market is considered the best as far as quality?
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Mike Walsh
West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A. |
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Bob G.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:25:55 -0500, "Daniel J. Stern"
<dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Mark T. wrote:
I have an "84 Chysler New Yorker and I would like to know what brand of
shocks and struts on the market is considered the best as far as quality?
The very best shocks and struts available for your New Yorker are the Koni
units. They are excellent, they are durable, they are adjustable, and they
greatly improve the ride and handling, but probably cost more money than
you probably wish to spend.
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I have always trusted, uised and have been satisfied with Koni,
Blistein and KYB's.... Never had a single problem with any of those
brands ... However different models of each are available so you
better check your application needs...
Bob Griffiths
68 SS 396 Chevelle
64 & 72 Corvette Ragtops
76 79 95 & 2000 Coirvette Coupes
01 Dodge Truck... |
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clifto
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject:
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« Paul » wrote:
| Quote: | Don't get Monroe.
My latest experience with Monroe Sensatrac:
Fronts, right out of the box:
One was leaking, one would not extend.
Rears, right out of the box:
One was leaking, one may have been ok.
I took them back and got Gabriels. I've always have had good luck with Gabs.
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Gabriels are nice shocks, and the low price makes it economical to change
them every thousand miles when they wear out. |
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High Sierra
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject:
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Chrysler Cutlass??????
Richard wrote:
| Quote: | We need to loby Bilstein to start selling their dampers for Chrysler
products, especially now that they are a "German" company also. Very
fustrating.
Koni makes both mono and dual tube shocks; I have had great results with
Bilstein's mono tube shocks - one rear set totally transformed a 1975
Chrysler Cutlass into a truly decent handling vehicle on real roads with
bumps and all.
Richard.
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« Paul »
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject:
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clifto wrote:
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« Paul » wrote:
Don't get Monroe.
My latest experience with Monroe Sensatrac:
Fronts, right out of the box:
One was leaking, one would not extend.
Rears, right out of the box:
One was leaking, one may have been ok.
I took them back and got Gabriels. I've always have had good luck with Gabs.
Gabriels are nice shocks, and the low price makes it economical to change
them every thousand miles when they wear out.
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I use the gas charged "firm" Gabs.
They have typically lasted at least 50k miles on my own vehicles.
Use is freeways to gravel roads. I am very hard on my own vehicles. |
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Richard
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject:
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"High Sierra" <Please.reply.to.NG.only@isp.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Chrysler Cutlass??????
Make that: Olds (GM) Cutlass. First US car to sport as original equipment in |
the euro edition with a flag logo on the side: Radials combined with rear
and front sway bars, stalk dimmer switch, true bucket seats (from a German
Opel I believe). It jumped all over the road taking turns on a broken road
surface because the mass of the rear suspension and stiff springs were not
adequately dampened. The Bilsteins were like magic.
Too bad the radials were Firestone 500's.
Richard. |
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Bob Paulin
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject:
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Bruce Chang <bechang@swspambegonebell.net> wrote in article
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For aftermarket replacement shocks, Monroe. Don't *DON'T* get Gabriel
shocks or struts. No need to buy OEM shocks from the dealer either.
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Because I work extensively with shocks, I have cut apart a wide range of
sealed shocks - including Gabriel and Monroe replacement shocks.
If I were to lay the rods, pistons, base valves, and associated internals
side-by-side - covering up the Gabriel "Red Ryder red" and Monroe "Gas
Matic blue" colors - I doubt if anybody here could tell me which one was
which.
They are virtually identical in internal design....to the point of being
interchangeable from one manufacturer's inner and outer tubes to the
other's.
As they go up in price, each manufacturer has simply devised methods to
bleed off pressures as they approach given points, reducing some of the
harshness of the stiffer, less staged, cheap shock....but, maintaining the
same basic design.
Konis and Bilsteins, on the other hand, are quite unique in design - in
both their monotube and twin-tube designs.
Don't believe me???
Go out and buy a Gabriel and a Monroe of equal quality - cheap to expensive
- and cut them apart, and don't be surprised that there are far more
similarities than differences.
And, here's one more thing - straight from a Monroe shock engineer's
mouth.......
The cheapest shock will give much more aggressive suspension control due to
fewer stages of control while the more expensive shocks are aimed towards
maintaining a "boulevard ride" throughout the range of shock piston
velocities.
The cheapest shocks often incorporate three stages of pressure control
while the expensive shocks often go for ten-or-more.
Tests on my own shock dynamometer have proven this statement to be true
with the cheaper shock developing greater compression/rebound pressures at
a given piston/shaft velocity than the more expensive shocks.
Yes, I'm saying that the more expensive shock usually offers
less-aggressive control, and I'll prove it on my shock dyno to anybody who
wants to bring me the cheapest and the most expensive, same-application
shocks from a given manufacturer.
Those of my race team customers who are required by the rules to run stock
OEM-style shocks are - at my recommendation - all racing, and winning, on
$10 shocks.
Shock advertising has always been - and continues to be - sheer
hyperbole....
"Self adjusting" is one of my favorites.
When shock piston/shaft velocities increase, the shock pressures increase.
If no provision is provided to avoid excessive pressure buildup, you could
easily reach a point of hydraulic lockup where it will create a rigid
resistance to suspension movement because valving cannot pass fluid through
fast enough for the piston's velocity, so stages of pressure relief are
built into the valving.....but, the advertisers love to call this logical
engineering factor, "....self-adjusting to conditions."
All shocks are "self-adjusting." There's no way around that fact.
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Bob Paulin - R.A.C.E. <><
Race Car Chassis Analysis & Setup Services
Chassis Blueprinting Services (as in engine blueprinting) |
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