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dh
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:51 am Post subject:
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My daughter is mad at me because I will not install one of those $100
remote start after market options she bought at Circuit City on her 96
Grand Am. I am afraid that some night in the dead of winter a
connection will go bad leaving her stranded. There must be 20
connections that need to be made to the ignition, starter, door locks
and theft deterrent system. Anyone have experience with such a system?
Is my concern unwarranted?
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Peter D. Hipson
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:33 am Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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I install them as part of the services that my company offers (we do
electronic/electrical work, and Hummer work). I have remote starters
on *all* my vehicles, and would not want a vehicle without it.
For example, my snow plow truck (a 2004 Dodge 2500 hemi) is so nice
when I have it warmed up. I can then use the wipers to clear the
windshield, which is important since I can only reach about the bottom
corner in about six inches! (Or I have to get a step ladder!)
However... The *MUST* be installed properly to be reliable. This means
soldered connections (not those cheezy blue tap connectors, no
solderless terminals crimped with that $2 Sears crimper, etc.) shrink
tube for insulation and not black plastic tape (whereever possible,
and never use any tape except for high quality. I use 3M 88 tape,
which is thin, and sticks well. When taping with 88, I use two passes
one starting from one end of teh splice, the other from teh other end.
If you don't have the ability to do good soldered connections, I'd
suggest finding someone else to install it. Done right, it will last
the life of the vehicle!
Oh, yes, these things are coming on new cars as factory and/or dealer
options. I do the Chrysler kit, takes about 1/4 the time because the
kit has the right connectors! REally nice...
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:51:09 -0500, dh <hemm99@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | My daughter is mad at me because I will not install one of those $100
remote start after market options she bought at Circuit City on her 96
Grand Am. I am afraid that some night in the dead of winter a
connection will go bad leaving her stranded. There must be 20
connections that need to be made to the ignition, starter, door locks
and theft deterrent system. Anyone have experience with such a system?
Is my concern unwarranted? |
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James C. Reeves
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:19 am Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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"dh" <hemm99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r15i11t43sbd1b6hng9gkv8ld6m91tk64e@4ax.com...
| Quote: | My daughter is mad at me because I will not install one of those $100
remote start after market options she bought at Circuit City on her 96
Grand Am. I am afraid that some night in the dead of winter a
connection will go bad leaving her stranded. There must be 20
connections that need to be made to the ignition, starter, door locks
and theft deterrent system. Anyone have experience with such a system?
Is my concern unwarranted?
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Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car
sitting while idling when no one is in it.
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Laura Bush murdered her b
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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James C. Reeves wrote:
| Quote: | "dh" <hemm99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r15i11t43sbd1b6hng9gkv8ld6m91tk64e@4ax.com...
My daughter is mad at me because I will not install one of those
$100
remote start after market options she bought at Circuit City on her
96
Grand Am. I am afraid that some night in the dead of winter a
connection will go bad leaving her stranded. There must be 20
connections that need to be made to the ignition, starter, door
locks
and theft deterrent system. Anyone have experience with such a
system?
Is my concern unwarranted?
Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car
sitting while idling when no one is in it.
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Anyone who buys one of these things is crazy. Just one more expensive
gadget that will go wrong at the worst time. Pretty soon the car makers
will make this standard if they haven't already. Infuriating. |
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John Harlow
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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James C. Reeves wrote:
| Quote: | "dh" <hemm99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r15i11t43sbd1b6hng9gkv8ld6m91tk64e@4ax.com...
My daughter is mad at me because I will not install one of those $100
remote start after market options she bought at Circuit City on her
96 Grand Am. I am afraid that some night in the dead of winter a
connection will go bad leaving her stranded. There must be 20
connections that need to be made to the ignition, starter, door locks
and theft deterrent system. Anyone have experience with such a
system? Is my concern unwarranted?
Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car
sitting while idling when no one is in it.
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Those would be rather silly laws. Some car models come from the factory
with remote start capability.
I've installed several of them. Depending on the car, it ranges from
ridiculously easy (jeap cherokee, old landcruiser) to move of a pain in the
ass (corvette with resisitors embedded in the key).
Essentially the unit splices into the ON and START leads from the ignition
switch, and the break light lead. Installation is made much easier given
the availabiliy of a good electrical diagram of the car and redily
accessible wiring - ignition wires are usually very accessible as they come
out of the bottom of the steering column. A remote lock / unlock is
definitely more difficult to install.
There should be no concern of a *properly installed* system interfering with
normal operation. By design, if the module is unplugged, the car is
essentially restored to original.
If you have it installed, MAKE SURE the installer properly solders all
connections. I don't trust anyone to do this properly besides myself
though. |
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Peter D. Hipson
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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many of these states recognize that remote starters are different, and
exempt them. However, I'd bet not all of them do, so check with the
local law enforcement people. They can tell you if there is a law, and
if it is enforced, and if enforced how and why... I suspect that if
you told them that it was an autostarter, and the cannot be moved
until the key is in the ignition, they will be happy with it.
But as James say, check to be sure.
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:19:56 -0500, "James C. Reeves"
<jcnospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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"dh" <hemm99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car
sitting while idling when no one is in it.
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John Harlow
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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Peter D. Hipson wrote:
| Quote: | many of these states recognize that remote starters are different, and
exempt them. However, I'd bet not all of them do, so check with the
local law enforcement people. They can tell you if there is a law, and
if it is enforced, and if enforced how and why... I suspect that if
you told them that it was an autostarter, and the cannot be moved
until the key is in the ignition, they will be happy with it.
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An autostarter will kill the engine if someone puts the brake on to shift
the car into gear if the key is not first turned to the RUN position.
I would like to know how a cop would know or why a cop would even care if
someone's car is warming up in their driveway. |
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tom
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:57 pm Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 23:46:05 -0500, "John Harlow"
<johnharlow@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | James C. Reeves wrote:
"dh" <hemm99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r15i11t43sbd1b6hng9gkv8ld6m91tk64e@4ax.com...
My daughter is mad at me because I will not install one of those $100
remote start after market options she bought at Circuit City on her
96 Grand Am. I am afraid that some night in the dead of winter a
connection will go bad leaving her stranded. There must be 20
connections that need to be made to the ignition, starter, door locks
and theft deterrent system. Anyone have experience with such a
system? Is my concern unwarranted?
Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car
sitting while idling when no one is in it.
Those would be rather silly laws. Some car models come from the factory
with remote start capability.
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This defense is rather weak. I mean, does having a car capible of
driving 100mph mean speeding laws are silly?
I know of several cases where people left their car running, and the
car was stolen, and the owner was totally liable for all the criminal
hurt, and the property damage he created.
So not a law, but a lawsuit issue.
btw, I was informed by a cop in the next town over, a running
unoccupied car is a ticketable offense. So becareful not where you
live, but where actually start it up.
| Quote: | I've installed several of them. Depending on the car, it ranges from
ridiculously easy (jeap cherokee, old landcruiser) to move of a pain in the
ass (corvette with resisitors embedded in the key).
Essentially the unit splices into the ON and START leads from the ignition
switch, and the break light lead. Installation is made much easier given
the availabiliy of a good electrical diagram of the car and redily
accessible wiring - ignition wires are usually very accessible as they come
out of the bottom of the steering column. A remote lock / unlock is
definitely more difficult to install.
There should be no concern of a *properly installed* system interfering with
normal operation. By design, if the module is unplugged, the car is
essentially restored to original.
If you have it installed, MAKE SURE the installer properly solders all
connections. I don't trust anyone to do this properly besides myself
though.
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my 2 cents,
tom @ www.ChopURL.com |
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Big Bill
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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On 20 Feb 2005 22:32:32 -0800, "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend"
<xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
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James C. Reeves wrote:
"dh" <hemm99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r15i11t43sbd1b6hng9gkv8ld6m91tk64e@4ax.com...
My daughter is mad at me because I will not install one of those
$100
remote start after market options she bought at Circuit City on her
96
Grand Am. I am afraid that some night in the dead of winter a
connection will go bad leaving her stranded. There must be 20
connections that need to be made to the ignition, starter, door
locks
and theft deterrent system. Anyone have experience with such a
system?
Is my concern unwarranted?
Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car
sitting while idling when no one is in it.
Anyone who buys one of these things is crazy. Just one more expensive
gadget that will go wrong at the worst time. Pretty soon the car makers
will make this standard if they haven't already. Infuriating.
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"If they haven'ty already"??
My, aren't you the fine example of knowing what you're talking about!
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Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a" |
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John Harlow
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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| Quote: | I know of several cases where people left their car running, and the
car was stolen, and the owner was totally liable for all the criminal
hurt, and the property damage he created.
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Would not be possible with a car running via remote start. As soon as
someone entered the still locked car and tried to put it in gear, the engine
would quit. It's no more "stealable" than any other parked car. It might
be more tempting being nice and warm, though ;) |
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tom
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Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:44:14 -0500, "John Harlow"
<johnharlow@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I know of several cases where people left their car running, and the
car was stolen, and the owner was totally liable for all the criminal
hurt, and the property damage he created.
Would not be possible with a car running via remote start. As soon as
someone entered the still locked car and tried to put it in gear, the engine
would quit. It's no more "stealable" than any other parked car. It might
be more tempting being nice and warm, though ;)
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Yeah, nice selling pitch: be nice to the car theif, prewarm the car
before he bust your steering column and steals your car. :)
But seriously, the thing about cops ticketing you has to do with
'failure to safely operate a motor vehichle" since it's operating
without you present.
Which goes back to the suggestions, ask the local authorites wherre
you live and where you plan on parking and remote starting the car.
Better to be informed than cited.
later,
tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com |
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Alex Rodriguez
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:06 am Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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In article <8dmdnZgMEIjIYoTfRVn-2g@comcast.com>, johnharlow@gmail.com says...
| Quote: | I would like to know how a cop would know or why a cop would even care if
someone's car is warming up in their driveway.
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A car left with the keys in it running is an invitation to theft. Part of a
cops job is to prevent thefts. That is why he would be interested.
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James C. Reeves
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:04 am Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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"John Harlow" <johnharlow@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car
sitting while idling when no one is in it.
Those would be rather silly laws. Some car models come from the factory
with remote start capability.
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The merit of the law is a separate subject (and I agree debatable). I was
merely informing the Op that those laws do exist in some states and that he
should be aware of them before installing such a device. |
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James C. Reeves
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:06 am Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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"Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108967552.247906.133400@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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James C. Reeves wrote:
"dh" <hemm99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r15i11t43sbd1b6hng9gkv8ld6m91tk64e@4ax.com...
My daughter is mad at me because I will not install one of those
$100
remote start after market options she bought at Circuit City on her
96
Grand Am. I am afraid that some night in the dead of winter a
connection will go bad leaving her stranded. There must be 20
connections that need to be made to the ignition, starter, door
locks
and theft deterrent system. Anyone have experience with such a
system?
Is my concern unwarranted?
Check your local laws. In some states it is illegal to have your car
sitting while idling when no one is in it.
Anyone who buys one of these things is crazy. Just one more expensive
gadget that will go wrong at the worst time. Pretty soon the car makers
will make this standard if they haven't already. Infuriating.
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Even the "cheap" Chevy Malibu has the remote start as standard equipment
beginning in the 2004 model year. So. you're a little late. There seems to
be a push in many areas to make them illegal, however. So, I guess we'll
see what time brings. |
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James C. Reeves
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:
Re: remote start |
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"John Harlow" <johnharlow@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Peter D. Hipson wrote:
many of these states recognize that remote starters are different, and
exempt them. However, I'd bet not all of them do, so check with the
local law enforcement people. They can tell you if there is a law, and
if it is enforced, and if enforced how and why... I suspect that if
you told them that it was an autostarter, and the cannot be moved
until the key is in the ignition, they will be happy with it.
An autostarter will kill the engine if someone puts the brake on to shift
the car into gear if the key is not first turned to the RUN position.
I would like to know how a cop would know or why a cop would even care if
someone's car is warming up in their driveway.
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If he's doing his job to enforce the law an the law says it's illegal, he's
supposed to care, isn't he? (Even if he personally thinks it's a silly law). |
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