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Paul Spencer
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Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:02 am Post subject:
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I am having a new garage built next year, and would like to put in an
inspection pit. I believe you can get liners that just get cemented
into a hole in the ground. Does anyone know of suppliers of these,
preferably in the UK?
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lab~rat
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Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:16 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:02:15 +0000, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk>
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| Quote: | I am having a new garage built next year, and would like to put in an
inspection pit. I believe you can get liners that just get cemented
into a hole in the ground. Does anyone know of suppliers of these,
preferably in the UK?
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How about sheet piling? You can rent it and remove it. How high is
your water table?
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lab~rat >:-)
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Robin Banks
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Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:16:08 GMT, lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:02:15 +0000, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk
puked:
I am having a new garage built next year, and would like to put in an
inspection pit. I believe you can get liners that just get cemented
into a hole in the ground. Does anyone know of suppliers of these,
preferably in the UK?
How about sheet piling? You can rent it and remove it. How high is
your water table?
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I think if I were doing this, I'd have a proper company install it.
If it ever failed, the dirt would fall in, then the concrete above wouldn't be
supported, and it too could collapse. This would leave you buried in a
collapsed pit, with a vehicle on top of you.
Just my 2 cents though.
~~R.Banks
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lab~rat
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Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:42 pm Post subject:
Re: Inspection Pits |
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:14:29 GMT, Robin Banks
<rbn_banks@REMOVEhotmail.com> puked:
| Quote: | On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:16:08 GMT, lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:02:15 +0000, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk
puked:
I am having a new garage built next year, and would like to put in an
inspection pit. I believe you can get liners that just get cemented
into a hole in the ground. Does anyone know of suppliers of these,
preferably in the UK?
How about sheet piling? You can rent it and remove it. How high is
your water table?
I think if I were doing this, I'd have a proper company install it.
If it ever failed, the dirt would fall in, then the concrete above wouldn't be
supported, and it too could collapse. This would leave you buried in a
collapsed pit, with a vehicle on top of you.
Just my 2 cents though.
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Actually, I was referring to pouring concrete behind the piling, in
effect making a concrete wall inside the pit. I don't know of a liner
that would support the weight of the surrounding fill better than
concrete, but again, I'm used to construction in S. Florida.
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Paul Spencer
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Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:12 am Post subject:
Re: Inspection Pits |
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:42:53 GMT, lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:14:29 GMT, Robin Banks
rbn_banks@REMOVEhotmail.com> puked:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:16:08 GMT, lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:02:15 +0000, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk
puked:
I am having a new garage built next year, and would like to put in an
inspection pit. I believe you can get liners that just get cemented
into a hole in the ground. Does anyone know of suppliers of these,
preferably in the UK?
How about sheet piling? You can rent it and remove it. How high is
your water table?
I think if I were doing this, I'd have a proper company install it.
If it ever failed, the dirt would fall in, then the concrete above wouldn't be
supported, and it too could collapse. This would leave you buried in a
collapsed pit, with a vehicle on top of you.
Just my 2 cents though.
Actually, I was referring to pouring concrete behind the piling, in
effect making a concrete wall inside the pit. I don't know of a liner
that would support the weight of the surrounding fill better than
concrete, but again, I'm used to construction in S. Florida.
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It's a new garage we are having built. I was going to get the builder
to install it. If it is more usual for a specialist company to install
something, I'll do that. Perhaps piling is the way, but I am sure I
have heard of pre-fabricated pieces that you can get. I just don't
know where to start looking. These things always seem much harder to
find in the UK than the USA :-(
--
P |
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Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:02 am Post subject:
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My thought....
Esther Williams...............
Esther Williams swimming pools.
Ever see one of her companies below
ground pools being set up ? I have, and
if you just think smaller it might work.
If you can find someone in your neck
of the woods that doe's that sort of work
just maybe they could help.
If you do get the job done, don't forget
a drain.......
Dan
Milw
PS Build the pit first, lay the concrete
around it.... |
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v8z
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Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:33 am Post subject:
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And ventilation - CO is invisible and heavier than air - furnace pilot
light, exhaust fumes, etc. will collect in the pit, and if you don't have a
means to get rid of them, well.....
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V8Z
Chevy V6 powered '66 Datsun Roadster
http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/
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| Quote: | My thought....
Esther Williams...............
Esther Williams swimming pools.
Ever see one of her companies below
ground pools being set up ? I have, and
if you just think smaller it might work.
If you can find someone in your neck
of the woods that doe's that sort of work
just maybe they could help.
If you do get the job done, don't forget
a drain.......
Dan
Milw
PS Build the pit first, lay the concrete
around it....
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lab~rat
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Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:39 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:12:52 +0000, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk>
puked:
| Quote: | On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:42:53 GMT, lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:14:29 GMT, Robin Banks
rbn_banks@REMOVEhotmail.com> puked:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:16:08 GMT, lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:02:15 +0000, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk
puked:
I am having a new garage built next year, and would like to put in an
inspection pit. I believe you can get liners that just get cemented
into a hole in the ground. Does anyone know of suppliers of these,
preferably in the UK?
How about sheet piling? You can rent it and remove it. How high is
your water table?
I think if I were doing this, I'd have a proper company install it.
If it ever failed, the dirt would fall in, then the concrete above wouldn't be
supported, and it too could collapse. This would leave you buried in a
collapsed pit, with a vehicle on top of you.
Just my 2 cents though.
Actually, I was referring to pouring concrete behind the piling, in
effect making a concrete wall inside the pit. I don't know of a liner
that would support the weight of the surrounding fill better than
concrete, but again, I'm used to construction in S. Florida.
It's a new garage we are having built. I was going to get the builder
to install it. If it is more usual for a specialist company to install
something, I'll do that. Perhaps piling is the way, but I am sure I
have heard of pre-fabricated pieces that you can get. I just don't
know where to start looking. These things always seem much harder to
find in the UK than the USA :-(
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What are they made of?
Am I correct in assuming that you are trying to make a pit in the
floor of your garage so you can stand in it to work on your car?
Some considerations:
-Water table
-If you are in a freeze/thaw zone.
-What kind of ground movement you might encounter
I'm not trying to overthink this, but it's a pretty common procedure
to build pits out of concrete in the US. Every elevator pretty much
has them. A slab is poured about 4 feet below the finish floor with a
key joint cast where the walls will be. The reinforced concrete walls
are generally 8" thick (same as masonry). A bitumastic coating is put
on the exterior to keep the ground water out. Usually there's a sump
pump, but in Florida our water table is so high we sometimes have to
pump water out just to pour concrete.
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Refinish_King1
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Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:19 pm Post subject:
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There is such a thing as:
Pre cast concrete walls. But if you'd like the insulation factor, have the
pit dug a bit wider, use extruded insulation board on the outside of the
block. Then pour the concrete over the block at least eight inches thick.
This will allow the concrete to not crack when the block moves, and have a
footer put under the block that comprises the pit wall.
Refinish King
"Paul Spencer" <ps@boynings.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:42:53 GMT, lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:14:29 GMT, Robin Banks
rbn_banks@REMOVEhotmail.com> puked:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:16:08 GMT, lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:02:15 +0000, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk
puked:
I am having a new garage built next year, and would like to put in an
inspection pit. I believe you can get liners that just get cemented
into a hole in the ground. Does anyone know of suppliers of these,
preferably in the UK?
How about sheet piling? You can rent it and remove it. How high is
your water table?
I think if I were doing this, I'd have a proper company install it.
If it ever failed, the dirt would fall in, then the concrete above
wouldn't be
supported, and it too could collapse. This would leave you buried in a
collapsed pit, with a vehicle on top of you.
Just my 2 cents though.
Actually, I was referring to pouring concrete behind the piling, in
effect making a concrete wall inside the pit. I don't know of a liner
that would support the weight of the surrounding fill better than
concrete, but again, I'm used to construction in S. Florida.
It's a new garage we are having built. I was going to get the builder
to install it. If it is more usual for a specialist company to install
something, I'll do that. Perhaps piling is the way, but I am sure I
have heard of pre-fabricated pieces that you can get. I just don't
know where to start looking. These things always seem much harder to
find in the UK than the USA :-(
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Paul Spencer
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Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:17 am Post subject:
Re: Inspection Pits |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:39:10 GMT, lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
| Quote: | What are they made of?
Am I correct in assuming that you are trying to make a pit in the
floor of your garage so you can stand in it to work on your car?
Some considerations:
-Water table
-If you are in a freeze/thaw zone.
-What kind of ground movement you might encounter
I'm not trying to overthink this, but it's a pretty common procedure
to build pits out of concrete in the US. Every elevator pretty much
has them. A slab is poured about 4 feet below the finish floor with a
key joint cast where the walls will be. The reinforced concrete walls
are generally 8" thick (same as masonry). A bitumastic coating is put
on the exterior to keep the ground water out. Usually there's a sump
pump, but in Florida our water table is so high we sometimes have to
pump water out just to pour concrete.
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Someone told me that they had seen something pre-fabricated, but
didn't have any details. My guess was that this was steel and you
would back-fill with concrete behind it. But perhaps it doesn't exist.
We are at the top of a hill, which should help. Freezing is not really
a problem.
I am beginning to think that I will just carry on using a friend's
when I need it. Either that or do it with shuttering and conrete.
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P |
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RSCamaro
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Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Inspection Pits |
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:02:15 +0000, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk>
wrote:
| Quote: | I am having a new garage built next year, and would like to put in an
inspection pit. I believe you can get liners that just get cemented
into a hole in the ground. Does anyone know of suppliers of these,
preferably in the UK?
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Here's a truly unoriginal idea for you and better too boot. If you
are having the garage built, why not make it slightly taller (like say
10' ft. ceilings) and put in either a 2 or 4 post lift instead of a
pit. You get the benefit of being able to stand underneath the car to
work on but you can also park two cars in the same area. One above
the other. I see plenty of companies that manufacturer these types of
lifts.
...Ron
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68' Camaro RS
88' Firebird Formula
00' Mustang GT Vert |
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Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:53 am Post subject:
Re: Inspection Pits |
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Sounds like no one liked my Esther
Williams pool approach to building a
pit.....
Dan
Milw |
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Barney
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Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:45 pm Post subject:
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Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk> had
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Someone told me that they had seen something pre-fabricated, but
didn't have any details. My guess was that this was steel and you
would back-fill with concrete behind it. But perhaps it doesn't
exist.
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In my neck of the woods the forms are built and rented localy. The
forms are just wood and used for foundations. Perhaps your local
repair shop will have a catalogue from a supplier such as those who
sell the car lifts. I assume the pit would be about 6' X 40" X 4'
and imagine ordinary cement forms may be the alternate to a premade.
Another thought might be to try a septic tank or place that makes
them.
--
Barney __________________________
"Name calling is best left to the children." |
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Paul A.
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:46 am Post subject:
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rscamero@hotmail.com (RSCamaro) wrote in message news:<418acae9.300449500@news.verizon.net>...
| Quote: | On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:02:15 +0000, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk
wrote:
I am having a new garage built next year, and would like to put in an
inspection pit. I believe you can get liners that just get cemented
into a hole in the ground. Does anyone know of suppliers of these,
preferably in the UK?
Here's a truly unoriginal idea for you and better too boot. If you
are having the garage built, why not make it slightly taller (like say
10' ft. ceilings) and put in either a 2 or 4 post lift instead of a
pit. You get the benefit of being able to stand underneath the car to
work on but you can also park two cars in the same area. One above
the other. I see plenty of companies that manufacturer these types of
lifts.
...Ron
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Just want to second Ron's suggestion that you consider a lift. The
flexibility and capability of having a lift is far beyond anything you
can do with a pit...and you wouldn't have to contend with issues that
others have mentioned in their posts on this thread, such as fumes
collecting in the pit, drainage issues, etc. In recent years, the
availability of lifts has mushroomed (just look in Hemmings) and the
prices of quality lifts have come down.
If you do start thinking about a lift - I'd suggest you check into a
twin post, asymmetric type, clear floor, either 7K lbs. or 9K lbs.
capacity. In that case, you'd have to get the dimensional specs on
the lift(s) you're considering, and you might have to go with walls as
high as 12 ft. You can get away with lower walls, but your tradeoff
would likely be a lift with a floor plate...not the end of the world
either.
--Paul |
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:54:25 -0500, "sp4nn4" <jimbo@noaddress> wrote:
| Quote: | a lot lot cheaper, and besides, I like digging holes!!
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Obviously, you don't live in the Missouri Ozarks. I spent almost two
hours one afternoon trying to dig a two-foot hole for a dwarf cherry
tree my wife and daughter had bought. During the process, I made the
rule that no more trees were to come onto the property unless the hole
was already in the ground.
Have a good one and enjoy your digging! |
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