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Scott in Florida
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:59:03 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:02:52 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:57:40 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
Here's a little anecdote about why I try to avoid unions like the plague.
We were in the commercial/military aircraft supply field. Hi tech stuff,
all of it. We were making comforatble (obscene?) wages. I was reading the
Wall Street Journal every day. I could see the writing on the wall:
military spending was being cut, and commercial flights were losing
passengers. We were coming into contract negotiations. A person who had my
job and moved up came over and asked me what I thought. I said I was happy
and didn't need anything. We had full bennies, etc. He said he wanted more
money. I asked him, if it came down between YOU getting $0.25/hour, and
watching someone else walking out with a pink slip, what would you take.
No hesitation: I want the quarter.
That is what I have against the IAM. There were a few like me; VERY few.
Brotherhood?
Back in the early 70's I went into a defense plant (Raytheon Andover I
think)...to help repair an instrument my company had supplied to
Raytheon. I picked up a screwdriver to open the cover and the Union
had a COW! I couldn't remove the F'ing cover from my companies
supplied equipment!
I've never had ANY use for unions and that was just one instance in my
life that cemented it for me...
Hmmm....I *worked* for Raytheon in Andover in the Shawsheen Village
Station plant, late 70's, early 80's.
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Hmmmm did YOU unscrew the cover for me?
LOL
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mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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If you knew anything about union contracts, you know the company
makes the rules, not the union. Not letting you work, was a
function of management not the union. I established the job
classifications. I had all the rights to set production rate,
schedule, higher, fire etc.. Management has ALL the rights under
the contract. The only right the union has is to make management
abide by the contract I signed, period. Even then, I can do what
I want but I need to pay the penalties that are part of the
contract. If I should want to let a non union person work on
something I can, but I have to pay the union worker as well. If
I want to contact out I can, I just need to show the union member
is not capable of doing the job correctly. If I do and I can't
show he is not competent I can still do it but I need to pay the
union member as well. You may believe otherwise, that your
prerogative all I know is the union is the best thing that ever
happened to our shop. Our tech are loyal hard workers that come
to work on time, don't leave early and do competent work the
first time and we pay them well for doing so.
mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:03:40 -0500, RustyFender wrote:
That was because the contract that the company has with that
union states that the workers are represented by that particular
union. In addition the contract specified the job skills need to
perform work. You obvious were not a member of that union
qualified to work in that plant. For safety reasons alone even a
member of the union, not qualified to do a particular job, can
not work on that job. For the company to allow you to do any
work it would be a violation their contract with the union and
open them up to a grievance penalty. To say nothing of their
liability to you, and your employer, should something happen to
you or your employers piece of equipment. When you take your car
to a non union Toyota dealership do you expect them to allow you
to work on your own car? ;)
mike hunt
Sorry, Mike, that's crap. I have *always* thought it was crap. Removing a
cover?
These 'rules' were set up so there was a 'use' for everyone in the union.
They threatened to call a steward on me when I picked up a soldering iron.
Gee, it said right in my job description, 'soldering...' but since I was a
Tech, I wasn't supposed to solder. The foreman said it was because most
techs were well schooled in testing, troubleshooting and 'reccommending'
repairs, but *we* both know the real reason, don't we?
Scott in Florida wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:57:40 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
Here's a little anecdote about why I try to avoid unions like the plague.
We were in the commercial/military aircraft supply field. Hi tech stuff,
all of it. We were making comforatble (obscene?) wages. I was reading the
Wall Street Journal every day. I could see the writing on the wall:
military spending was being cut, and commercial flights were losing
passengers. We were coming into contract negotiations. A person who had my
job and moved up came over and asked me what I thought. I said I was happy
and didn't need anything. We had full bennies, etc. He said he wanted more
money. I asked him, if it came down between YOU getting $0.25/hour, and
watching someone else walking out with a pink slip, what would you take.
No hesitation: I want the quarter.
That is what I have against the IAM. There were a few like me; VERY few.
Brotherhood?
Back in the early 70's I went into a defense plant (Raytheon Andover I
think)...to help repair an instrument my company had supplied to
Raytheon. I picked up a screwdriver to open the cover and the Union
had a COW! I couldn't remove the F'ing cover from my companies
supplied equipment!
I've never had ANY use for unions and that was just one instance in my
life that cemented it for me...
mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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Scott in Florida
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HachiRoku
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:05:14 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:59:03 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:02:52 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:57:40 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
Here's a little anecdote about why I try to avoid unions like the plague.
We were in the commercial/military aircraft supply field. Hi tech stuff,
all of it. We were making comforatble (obscene?) wages. I was reading the
Wall Street Journal every day. I could see the writing on the wall:
military spending was being cut, and commercial flights were losing
passengers. We were coming into contract negotiations. A person who had my
job and moved up came over and asked me what I thought. I said I was happy
and didn't need anything. We had full bennies, etc. He said he wanted more
money. I asked him, if it came down between YOU getting $0.25/hour, and
watching someone else walking out with a pink slip, what would you take.
No hesitation: I want the quarter.
That is what I have against the IAM. There were a few like me; VERY few.
Brotherhood?
Back in the early 70's I went into a defense plant (Raytheon Andover I
think)...to help repair an instrument my company had supplied to
Raytheon. I picked up a screwdriver to open the cover and the Union
had a COW! I couldn't remove the F'ing cover from my companies
supplied equipment!
I've never had ANY use for unions and that was just one instance in my
life that cemented it for me...
Hmmm....I *worked* for Raytheon in Andover in the Shawsheen Village
Station plant, late 70's, early 80's.
Hmmmm did YOU unscrew the cover for me?
LOL
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Not me! If I recall correctly, I think I only screwed things up!
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mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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Scott in Florida
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