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Dan Gates
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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Wickeddoll® wrote:
| Quote: | "boycotttoyota" <info@nospam.boycotttoyota.com> wrote in message
news:1fb7ced1a55181320ff19c826d3fcfa8@localhost.talkaboutautos.com...
*snipping rant*
I don't know where you got this hooey, and frankly, I don't care. I'm a
person 'of color' who has never had to sign such an agreement, nor have any
of my friends or relatives.
If you don't like Toyotas, that's your prerogative, but you should also
realize that unless you can prove the allegations, you're setting yourself
up for a libel suit.
Natalie
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Hey Natalie!! Most people think I'm rather colourful too, (no not that
way you homophobes!) and I never sign any of these agreements either.
Oh yes, obligatory off-handed remark to PROVE that I am not racist,
sexist, homophobic etc etc. Some of my best friends are "colourful" and
"of colour".
|>))
Dan
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dizzy
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:33 am Post subject:
Re: Join a union |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:43:37 -0500, some stupid top-posting,
nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself BenDover wrote:
| Quote: | He is still wrong,
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Who is still wrong, top poster?
P.S. You don't actually expect anyone to read that big, ugly, pile of
crap you left, do you? Ever hear of a paragraph? Idiot. |
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dizzy
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:34 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:47:40 GMT, MDT Tech®
<GOP_Majority@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
| Quote: | Holy Sheet! I agree with the diz man!
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Scott in Florida
Dittos with me too Scott! Kinda weird, huh?
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I'm telling you, that I'm the guy in the middle. It's you guys who
are in the extreme right.
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Scott in Florida
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:48:32 -0600, <deil@mospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <f5Vmd.10251$k%4.4062@trndny07>, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS
wrote:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:02:43 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:35:32 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:01:23 -0500, some stupid top-posting,
nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself BenDover wrote:
I would suggest your techs join the Machinist Union.
The guys in our shops did just that in the early 90's
and it was the best thing that ever happened for them
and the owners. We now have the best of the best when it comes
to technicians because we pay more and offer better benefits and
a pension plan.
And what's to prevent the dealership from offering top wages and
benefits without being forced-into it by a union?
Our customer list grew like mad because we have
the best most efficient techs that do it right the first time
resulting in lower maintenance and repair costs and less down
time for the fleet owners vehicles that they need to operate
their business.
Union techs are no better than non-union techs. Joining a union does
not magically increase your skill-set. Being a union shop does not
mean the techs are better.
Holy Sheet! I agree with the diz man!
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Scott in Florida
And besides, Union members are Democrats! (well, most are. I know ONE who
wasn't! ;)
I know more than a couple of union members who voted for Bush this year.
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If the Democratic doesn't get off it's extremeness left wing
kookiness....a lot more Democrats will move over to the Republican
party.
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Earle Jones
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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In article
<1fb7ced1a55181320ff19c826d3fcfa8@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>,
"boycotttoyota" <info@nospam.boycotttoyota.com> wrote:
| Quote: | No longer is it O.K. or acceptable for Toyota and its dealerships,
franchises and owners to force people of color and minority employees to
sign binding arbitration which strips away their civil rights, their
rights to a fair trial in an open court of law and deny them fairness and
social justice....
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Aren't most Toyotas made by people of color?
earle
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Join a union |
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At least you signed your name to this post.
mike hunt
dizzy wrote:
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:43:37 -0500, some stupid top-posting,
nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself BenDover wrote:
He is still wrong,
Who is still wrong, top poster?
P.S. You don't actually expect anyone to read that big, ugly, pile of
crap you left, do you? Ever hear of a paragraph?
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HachiRoku
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:57 pm Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
| Quote: | What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
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80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
Here's a little anecdote about why I try to avoid unions like the plague.
We were in the commercial/military aircraft supply field. Hi tech stuff,
all of it. We were making comforatble (obscene?) wages. I was reading the
Wall Street Journal every day. I could see the writing on the wall:
military spending was being cut, and commercial flights were losing
passengers. We were coming into contract negotiations. A person who had my
job and moved up came over and asked me what I thought. I said I was happy
and didn't need anything. We had full bennies, etc. He said he wanted more
money. I asked him, if it came down between YOU getting $0.25/hour, and
watching someone else walking out with a pink slip, what would you take.
No hesitation: I want the quarter.
That is what I have against the IAM. There were a few like me; VERY few.
Brotherhood?
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mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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HachiRoku
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:58 pm Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:48:32 -0600, deil wrote:
| Quote: | In article <f5Vmd.10251$k%4.4062@trndny07>, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS
wrote:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:02:43 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:35:32 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:01:23 -0500, some stupid top-posting,
nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself BenDover wrote:
I would suggest your techs join the Machinist Union.
The guys in our shops did just that in the early 90's
and it was the best thing that ever happened for them
and the owners. We now have the best of the best when it comes
to technicians because we pay more and offer better benefits and
a pension plan.
And what's to prevent the dealership from offering top wages and
benefits without being forced-into it by a union?
Our customer list grew like mad because we have
the best most efficient techs that do it right the first time
resulting in lower maintenance and repair costs and less down
time for the fleet owners vehicles that they need to operate
their business.
Union techs are no better than non-union techs. Joining a union does
not magically increase your skill-set. Being a union shop does not
mean the techs are better.
Holy Sheet! I agree with the diz man!
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Scott in Florida
And besides, Union members are Democrats! (well, most are. I know ONE who
wasn't! ;)
I know more than a couple of union members who voted for Bush this year.
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They are few and far between. In my union, the union TOLD us who to vote
for ("recommendations") and all the sheep did what they were told, with a
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Scott in Florida
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:57:40 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
Here's a little anecdote about why I try to avoid unions like the plague.
We were in the commercial/military aircraft supply field. Hi tech stuff,
all of it. We were making comforatble (obscene?) wages. I was reading the
Wall Street Journal every day. I could see the writing on the wall:
military spending was being cut, and commercial flights were losing
passengers. We were coming into contract negotiations. A person who had my
job and moved up came over and asked me what I thought. I said I was happy
and didn't need anything. We had full bennies, etc. He said he wanted more
money. I asked him, if it came down between YOU getting $0.25/hour, and
watching someone else walking out with a pink slip, what would you take.
No hesitation: I want the quarter.
That is what I have against the IAM. There were a few like me; VERY few.
Brotherhood?
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Back in the early 70's I went into a defense plant (Raytheon Andover I
think)...to help repair an instrument my company had supplied to
Raytheon. I picked up a screwdriver to open the cover and the Union
had a COW! I couldn't remove the F'ing cover from my companies
supplied equipment!
I've never had ANY use for unions and that was just one instance in my
life that cemented it for me...
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mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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In article <rirrp097tokj91g715ofqfmgtkdti6kvbd@4ax.com>,
Scott in Florida <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:57:40 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
Here's a little anecdote about why I try to avoid unions like the plague.
We were in the commercial/military aircraft supply field. Hi tech stuff,
all of it. We were making comforatble (obscene?) wages. I was reading the
Wall Street Journal every day. I could see the writing on the wall:
military spending was being cut, and commercial flights were losing
passengers. We were coming into contract negotiations. A person who had my
job and moved up came over and asked me what I thought. I said I was happy
and didn't need anything. We had full bennies, etc. He said he wanted more
money. I asked him, if it came down between YOU getting $0.25/hour, and
watching someone else walking out with a pink slip, what would you take.
No hesitation: I want the quarter.
That is what I have against the IAM. There were a few like me; VERY few.
Brotherhood?
Back in the early 70's I went into a defense plant (Raytheon Andover I
think)...to help repair an instrument my company had supplied to
Raytheon. I picked up a screwdriver to open the cover and the Union
had a COW! I couldn't remove the F'ing cover from my companies
supplied equipment!
I've never had ANY use for unions and that was just one instance in my
life that cemented it for me...
mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
--
Scott in Florida
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We had to call a millright to move a black box from one test lab to
another. Millright is a union labor position I guess. Anyway it was
funny because the boxes were usually very small and they would come in
with a cart and put the little black box on it and wheel it around the
corner.....I still chuckle about it.
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:45 pm Post subject:
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That is something like what I expected to hear, bye.
mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:03 am Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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That was because the contract that the company has with that
union states that the workers are represented by that particular
union. In addition the contract specified the job skills need to
perform work. You obvious were not a member of that union
qualified to work in that plant. For safety reasons alone even a
member of the union, not qualified to do a particular job, can
not work on that job. For the company to allow you to do any
work it would be a violation their contract with the union and
open them up to a grievance penalty. To say nothing of their
liability to you, and your employer, should something happen to
you or your employers piece of equipment. When you take your car
to a non union Toyota dealership do you expect them to allow you
to work on your own car? ;)
mike hunt
Scott in Florida wrote:
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:57:40 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
Here's a little anecdote about why I try to avoid unions like the plague.
We were in the commercial/military aircraft supply field. Hi tech stuff,
all of it. We were making comforatble (obscene?) wages. I was reading the
Wall Street Journal every day. I could see the writing on the wall:
military spending was being cut, and commercial flights were losing
passengers. We were coming into contract negotiations. A person who had my
job and moved up came over and asked me what I thought. I said I was happy
and didn't need anything. We had full bennies, etc. He said he wanted more
money. I asked him, if it came down between YOU getting $0.25/hour, and
watching someone else walking out with a pink slip, what would you take.
No hesitation: I want the quarter.
That is what I have against the IAM. There were a few like me; VERY few.
Brotherhood?
Back in the early 70's I went into a defense plant (Raytheon Andover I
think)...to help repair an instrument my company had supplied to
Raytheon. I picked up a screwdriver to open the cover and the Union
had a COW! I couldn't remove the F'ing cover from my companies
supplied equipment!
I've never had ANY use for unions and that was just one instance in my
life that cemented it for me...
mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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Scott in Florida
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 12:58 am Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:03:40 -0500, RustyFender@mailcity.com wrote:
| Quote: | That was because the contract that the company has with that
union states that the workers are represented by that particular
union. In addition the contract specified the job skills need to
perform work. You obvious were not a member of that union
qualified to work in that plant. For safety reasons alone even a
member of the union, not qualified to do a particular job, can
not work on that job. For the company to allow you to do any
work it would be a violation their contract with the union and
open them up to a grievance penalty. To say nothing of their
liability to you, and your employer, should something happen to
you or your employers piece of equipment. When you take your car
to a non union Toyota dealership do you expect them to allow you
to work on your own car? ;)
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Not unless they charge me a LOT more...
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mike hunt
Scott in Florida wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:57:40 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
Here's a little anecdote about why I try to avoid unions like the plague.
We were in the commercial/military aircraft supply field. Hi tech stuff,
all of it. We were making comforatble (obscene?) wages. I was reading the
Wall Street Journal every day. I could see the writing on the wall:
military spending was being cut, and commercial flights were losing
passengers. We were coming into contract negotiations. A person who had my
job and moved up came over and asked me what I thought. I said I was happy
and didn't need anything. We had full bennies, etc. He said he wanted more
money. I asked him, if it came down between YOU getting $0.25/hour, and
watching someone else walking out with a pink slip, what would you take.
No hesitation: I want the quarter.
That is what I have against the IAM. There were a few like me; VERY few.
Brotherhood?
Back in the early 70's I went into a defense plant (Raytheon Andover I
think)...to help repair an instrument my company had supplied to
Raytheon. I picked up a screwdriver to open the cover and the Union
had a COW! I couldn't remove the F'ing cover from my companies
supplied equipment!
I've never had ANY use for unions and that was just one instance in my
life that cemented it for me...
mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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Scott in Florida
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HachiRoku
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:02:52 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:57:40 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
Here's a little anecdote about why I try to avoid unions like the plague.
We were in the commercial/military aircraft supply field. Hi tech stuff,
all of it. We were making comforatble (obscene?) wages. I was reading the
Wall Street Journal every day. I could see the writing on the wall:
military spending was being cut, and commercial flights were losing
passengers. We were coming into contract negotiations. A person who had my
job and moved up came over and asked me what I thought. I said I was happy
and didn't need anything. We had full bennies, etc. He said he wanted more
money. I asked him, if it came down between YOU getting $0.25/hour, and
watching someone else walking out with a pink slip, what would you take.
No hesitation: I want the quarter.
That is what I have against the IAM. There were a few like me; VERY few.
Brotherhood?
Back in the early 70's I went into a defense plant (Raytheon Andover I
think)...to help repair an instrument my company had supplied to
Raytheon. I picked up a screwdriver to open the cover and the Union
had a COW! I couldn't remove the F'ing cover from my companies
supplied equipment!
I've never had ANY use for unions and that was just one instance in my
life that cemented it for me...
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Hmmm....I *worked* for Raytheon in Andover in the Shawsheen Village
Station plant, late 70's, early 80's.
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mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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HachiRoku
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
Re: BOYCOTT TOYOTA AND THEIR RACIST APARTHEID POLICY |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:03:40 -0500, RustyFender wrote:
| Quote: | That was because the contract that the company has with that
union states that the workers are represented by that particular
union. In addition the contract specified the job skills need to
perform work. You obvious were not a member of that union
qualified to work in that plant. For safety reasons alone even a
member of the union, not qualified to do a particular job, can
not work on that job. For the company to allow you to do any
work it would be a violation their contract with the union and
open them up to a grievance penalty. To say nothing of their
liability to you, and your employer, should something happen to
you or your employers piece of equipment. When you take your car
to a non union Toyota dealership do you expect them to allow you
to work on your own car? ;)
mike hunt
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Sorry, Mike, that's crap. I have *always* thought it was crap. Removing a
cover?
These 'rules' were set up so there was a 'use' for everyone in the union.
They threatened to call a steward on me when I picked up a soldering iron.
Gee, it said right in my job description, 'soldering...' but since I was a
Tech, I wasn't supposed to solder. The foreman said it was because most
techs were well schooled in testing, troubleshooting and 'reccommending'
repairs, but *we* both know the real reason, don't we?
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Scott in Florida wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:57:40 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:31 -0500, BigJohnson wrote:
What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
80's
Don't remember.
Too much and too much.
Here's a little anecdote about why I try to avoid unions like the plague.
We were in the commercial/military aircraft supply field. Hi tech stuff,
all of it. We were making comforatble (obscene?) wages. I was reading the
Wall Street Journal every day. I could see the writing on the wall:
military spending was being cut, and commercial flights were losing
passengers. We were coming into contract negotiations. A person who had my
job and moved up came over and asked me what I thought. I said I was happy
and didn't need anything. We had full bennies, etc. He said he wanted more
money. I asked him, if it came down between YOU getting $0.25/hour, and
watching someone else walking out with a pink slip, what would you take.
No hesitation: I want the quarter.
That is what I have against the IAM. There were a few like me; VERY few.
Brotherhood?
Back in the early 70's I went into a defense plant (Raytheon Andover I
think)...to help repair an instrument my company had supplied to
Raytheon. I picked up a screwdriver to open the cover and the Union
had a COW! I couldn't remove the F'ing cover from my companies
supplied equipment!
I've never had ANY use for unions and that was just one instance in my
life that cemented it for me...
mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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