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HachiRoku
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:20:34 -0500, boycotttoyota wrote:
| Quote: | No longer is it O.K. or acceptable for Toyota and its dealerships,
franchises and owners to force people of color and minority employees to
sign binding arbitration which strips away their civil rights, their
rights to a fair trial in an open court of law and deny them fairness and
social justice.
The current method of binding arbitration is nothing short of racist
apartheid policies in a form of a scheme quickly swept under and into the
darkness of secret and private arbitration process where bias and
partiality is purchased by the Toyota dealerships and its franchises and
deny the minority employee justice and equality.
Puente Hills Toyota, its owners Fritz Hitchcock, Gregg Moss and vice
president David Hall have all gone as far as fabricating lies, committing
fraud, and perjury in arbitration hearings where they can get away with it
because the arbitrator is paid for by the dealership and is bias and will
routinely rule in favor of the dealership, who pays for the arbitration
cost.
Read more about this subject at www.BoycottToyota.com! We need your
support!
Thank you for listening!
We at www.BoycottToyota.com
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If you have a problem with a certain Toyota dealership, take it to your
Better Business Bureau or your Attorney General. Don't spam a newsgroup
with a bunch of bullshit, please. Oh, and Stop Whining. Buy a Hyundai.
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HachiRoku
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:56:58 -0500, Wickeddoll® wrote:
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"boycotttoyota" <info@nospam.boycotttoyota.com> wrote in message
news:1fb7ced1a55181320ff19c826d3fcfa8@localhost.talkaboutautos.com...
*snipping rant*
I don't know where you got this hooey, and frankly, I don't care. I'm a
person 'of color' who has never had to sign such an agreement, nor have any
of my friends or relatives.
If you don't like Toyotas, that's your prerogative, but you should also
realize that unless you can prove the allegations, you're setting yourself
up for a libel suit.
Natalie
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Have you read the site, Nat? He rants on and on, but doesn't really say
what his compplaint is, other than throwing around Discrimination,
Oppression, etc, without citing anything in particular. Again, he only
rails against this one dealershuip. So, we have to condemn Toyota Motor
because one dealership MAY have treated someone rudely? Sheesh! Go to
another dealer! |
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MDT Tech®
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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Scott in Florida wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:35:32 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:01:23 -0500, some stupid top-posting,
nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself BenDover wrote:
I would suggest your techs join the Machinist Union.
The guys in our shops did just that in the early 90's
and it was the best thing that ever happened for them
and the owners. We now have the best of the best when it comes
to technicians because we pay more and offer better benefits and
a pension plan.
And what's to prevent the dealership from offering top wages and
benefits without being forced-into it by a union?
Our customer list grew like mad because we have
the best most efficient techs that do it right the first time
resulting in lower maintenance and repair costs and less down
time for the fleet owners vehicles that they need to operate
their business.
Union techs are no better than non-union techs. Joining a union does
not magically increase your skill-set. Being a union shop does not
mean the techs are better.
Holy Sheet! I agree with the diz man!
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Scott in Florida
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Dittos with me too Scott! Kinda weird, huh?
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MDT Tech®
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:
| Quote: | I would suggest your techs join the Machinist Union.
The guys in our shops did just that in the early 90's
and it was the best thing that ever happened for them
and the owners. We now have the best of the best when it comes
to technicians because we pay more and offer better benefits and
a pension plan. Our customer list grew like mad because we have
the best most efficient techs that do it right the first time
resulting in lower maintenance and repair costs and less down
time for the fleet owners vehicles that they need to operate
their business.
mike hunt
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Mike, I'd join the union, but I dont want to take a $30,000 hit each
year. No union dealership tech makes more than any of our line techs,
period! ANd yes, we have nedical, dental, pension vacation, paid holidays... |
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HachiRoku
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:47:06 -0500, Wickeddoll® wrote:
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"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:KLzmd.4857$Pd2.2004227@monger.newsread.com...
Wickeddoll® wrote:
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:2Wtmd.1895$pK6.380@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Binding arbitration clauses are a wide spread anti-consumer
technique. Unfortunately, lazy judges who do not want to hear cases
have given them their kiss of approval in many jurisdiction. Only a
statute outlawing them in consumer transactions and employment
contracts can change the trend. Regarding employment litigation, another
major problem is the
alternative minimum tax which has not been indexed for inflation and
which does not permit you to deduct your lawyer's fee for the
purpose of calculating what you owe in taxes from your damage award.
Because of that, many employee discrimination cases are just not
worth litigating. Again it will take congressional action to fix
the law. If you voted for Bush or most any Republican you got what
you deserve. And the democrats are no bargain either. They were
asleep when this anti consumer and anti employee trend began.
I still haven't seen anything like what this kook is posting.
Natalie
Well, you don't get out much.
I get out just fine - I'm still waiting for the proof of this crap, and have
yet to see any
Natalie
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Oh, some guy got a hair across his ass because he thinks he got a raw
deal, or had a problem with his car (probably caused by him; remember our
friend with the 'blown engine' that hit abotu 10,000 RPM's) and is
probably a person of color, so he will play the race card to get what he
wants. There are better ways to go about it. Otherwise, why would he
specify ONE dealership and name three people? That fact that he says
"Boycott Toyota" for his misfortune shows he's a kook. |
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MDT Tech®
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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Wickeddoll® wrote:
| Quote: | I still haven't seen anything like what this kook is posting.
Natalie
Natalie, you mean you havent seen the liberal kooks in this group? |
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HachiRoku
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:01:23 -0500, BenDover wrote:
| Quote: | I would suggest your techs join the Machinist Union.
The guys in our shops did just that in the early 90's
and it was the best thing that ever happened for them
and the owners. We now have the best of the best when it comes
to technicians because we pay more and offer better benefits and
a pension plan. Our customer list grew like mad because we have
the best most efficient techs that do it right the first time
resulting in lower maintenance and repair costs and less down
time for the fleet owners vehicles that they need to operate
their business.
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You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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mike hunt
boycotttoyota wrote:
No longer is it O.K. or acceptable for Toyota and its dealerships,
franchises and owners to force people of color and minority employees to
sign binding arbitration which strips away their civil rights, their
rights to a fair trial in an open court of law and deny them fairness and
social justice.
The current method of binding arbitration is nothing short of racist
apartheid policies in a form of a scheme quickly swept under and into the
darkness of secret and private arbitration process where bias and
partiality is purchased by the Toyota dealerships and its franchises and
deny the minority employee justice and equality.
Puente Hills Toyota, its owners Fritz Hitchcock, Gregg Moss and vice
president David Hall have all gone as far as fabricating lies, committing
fraud, and perjury in arbitration hearings where they can get away with it
because the arbitrator is paid for by the dealership and is bias and will
routinely rule in favor of the dealership, who pays for the arbitration
cost.
Read more about this subject at www.BoycottToyota.com! We need your
support!
Thank you for listening!
We at www.BoycottToyota.com |
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HachiRoku
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:35:32 +0000, dizzy wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:01:23 -0500, some stupid top-posting,
nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself BenDover wrote:
I would suggest your techs join the Machinist Union.
The guys in our shops did just that in the early 90's
and it was the best thing that ever happened for them
and the owners. We now have the best of the best when it comes
to technicians because we pay more and offer better benefits and
a pension plan.
And what's to prevent the dealership from offering top wages and
benefits without being forced-into it by a union?
Our customer list grew like mad because we have
the best most efficient techs that do it right the first time
resulting in lower maintenance and repair costs and less down
time for the fleet owners vehicles that they need to operate
their business.
Union techs are no better than non-union techs. Joining a union does
not magically increase your skill-set. Being a union shop does not
mean the techs are better.
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The unions miss the boat totally, and the Machinists probably more than
others. Here's what a supplier said to me a couple weeks ago. We were
talking about unions in general and the UAW in particular, and he said
"Why join a union. The unions have it all worng. If the unions were smart,
they would require the members to take courses in local schools, with at
least some being related to what the member is doing. Then, at contract
time, they could go to management and say 'We are providing you with an
educated, well trained workforce', instead of 'We have the best group of
beer-drinkers and football-watchers you could ever over-pay'" Made a
boatload of sense to me! |
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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He is still wrong, in our shops if you can't consistently do the
work your trained for, you can get fired. Same thing happens if
you don't come to work on time, quit early, don't have a good
reason to report off, fight or steal. If you pay for the best
you get the best, period. Some of our tech in some markets with
associate degrees in electronics are earning in the six figures.
When we opened our first shop, I wanted to offer better wages to
attract the best techs, my partner would not go along. A few
years later when we owned six shops the guys voted to join a
union. He said if we allowed that the union would control us and
we would go broke. It was not a question of allowing them to
join a union they had the right under the law. He decided he
wanted out of the partnership and I had to go into hock for
everything I owned to buy him out. Once we had a contract I
still had all the power as owner that I had before but now every
job was classified as to the duties and responsibilities and set
the wage rate for each skill level. It did not take long for our
guys to go get the education they needed to reach the highest
rates and for the best guys around to come to us looking for
work. We no longer needed to search for the best, they came to
us. We simply raised our shop rates and pointed out to our
clients that we had the best of the best and their vehicles would
be out of service less often and for shorter periods of time.
The productivity in the shops shot up dramatically, shorter down
times for clients and much fewer re-repairs for us became the
norm. That allowed us to service more vehicles per day per shop.
Within ten years my business grew from six shops servicing
corporate and government fleets in two states, to 16 shop in six
eastern states. When I sold the business a few years ago, for
more money than I can ever hope to spend, my former partner was
still working selling used cars at 70 years old. God bless the
machinist Union
mike hunt
Scott in Florida wrote:
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:12:39 -0800, Eric Dreher <ericd@cox.nét> wrote:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:02:43 GMT, Scott in Florida
NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote:
Holy Sheet! I agree with the diz man!
See your physician. Likely there's a vaccine for that.
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The DNC - Building a bridge to the 20th Century.
Diz drives me crazy most of the time....but sometimes he
says something I agree with!
The old saying....even a broken clock is right twice a day comes to
mind...lol
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Scott in Florida |
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HachiRoku
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:02:43 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:35:32 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:01:23 -0500, some stupid top-posting,
nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself BenDover wrote:
I would suggest your techs join the Machinist Union.
The guys in our shops did just that in the early 90's
and it was the best thing that ever happened for them
and the owners. We now have the best of the best when it comes
to technicians because we pay more and offer better benefits and
a pension plan.
And what's to prevent the dealership from offering top wages and
benefits without being forced-into it by a union?
Our customer list grew like mad because we have
the best most efficient techs that do it right the first time
resulting in lower maintenance and repair costs and less down
time for the fleet owners vehicles that they need to operate
their business.
Union techs are no better than non-union techs. Joining a union does
not magically increase your skill-set. Being a union shop does not
mean the techs are better.
Holy Sheet! I agree with the diz man!
--
Scott in Florida
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And besides, Union members are Democrats! (well, most are. I know ONE who
wasn't! ;) |
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HachiRoku
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:12:39 -0800, Eric Dreher wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:02:43 GMT, Scott in Florida
NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote:
Holy Sheet! I agree with the diz man!
See your physician. Likely there's a vaccine for that.
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Naw, they ran out. Not enough supply...
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HAHAHA! I love it! |
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MDT Tech®
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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HachiRoku wrote:
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Oh, some guy got a hair across his ass because he thinks he got a raw
deal, or had a problem with his car (probably caused by him; remember our
friend with the 'blown engine' that hit abotu 10,000 RPM's) and is
probably a person of color, so he will play the race card to get what he
wants. There are better ways to go about it. Otherwise, why would he
specify ONE dealership and name three people? That fact that he says
"Boycott Toyota" for his misfortune shows he's a kook.
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Anbd not to mention, its a franchise, so its not Toyotas deal anyway. |
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 2:48 pm Post subject:
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In article <f5Vmd.10251$k%4.4062@trndny07>, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS>
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| Quote: | On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:02:43 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:35:32 GMT, dizzy <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:01:23 -0500, some stupid top-posting,
nym-shifting troll, currently calling himself BenDover wrote:
I would suggest your techs join the Machinist Union.
The guys in our shops did just that in the early 90's
and it was the best thing that ever happened for them
and the owners. We now have the best of the best when it comes
to technicians because we pay more and offer better benefits and
a pension plan.
And what's to prevent the dealership from offering top wages and
benefits without being forced-into it by a union?
Our customer list grew like mad because we have
the best most efficient techs that do it right the first time
resulting in lower maintenance and repair costs and less down
time for the fleet owners vehicles that they need to operate
their business.
Union techs are no better than non-union techs. Joining a union does
not magically increase your skill-set. Being a union shop does not
mean the techs are better.
Holy Sheet! I agree with the diz man!
--
Scott in Florida
And besides, Union members are Democrats! (well, most are. I know ONE who
wasn't! ;)
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I know more than a couple of union members who voted for Bush this year.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
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What ten year period? What local were you in? What was your pay
scale and your shop rate?
mike hunt
HachiRoku wrote:
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You're kidding right? I was in the Machinists for 10 years. I saw WORSE
work from union members than I did in non-union shops.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
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If you would take 30K hit, that means you must be well
into six figures. Good for you. What is your shop rate
out on the left coast, over $100?
mike hunt
MDT Tech wrote:
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BenDover@mailcity.com wrote:
Mike, I'd join the union, but I dont want to take a $30,000 hit each
year. No union dealership tech makes more than any of our line techs,
period! ANd yes, we have nedical, dental, pension vacation, paid holidays... |
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