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Thu Nov 18, 2004 3:20 am Post subject:
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In article <301thhF2s4jkgU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com>
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| Quote: | Maybe you're thinking of the security breaches and nuclear secrets stolen
from Lawrence Livermore and Los Alamos by the Chinese during the Nixon,
Carter, Reagan and Bush
years and uncovered during the Clinton administration.
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You're so full of crap it's actually funny.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:16 am Post subject:
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<deil@mospam.com> wrote in message news:deil-CA81CF.16201217112004@hermes-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
| Quote: | In article <301thhF2s4jkgU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
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Maybe you're thinking of the security breaches and nuclear secrets stolen
from Lawrence Livermore and Los Alamos by the Chinese during the Nixon,
Carter, Reagan and Bush
years and uncovered during the Clinton administration.
You're so full of crap it's actually funny.
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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The Germans saved us a few billion dollars on our way
to the moon about fifteen years later ;)
mike hunt
Hans wrote:
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Germany never attacked us nor did they have any WMD. Hey Art, by
chance, you a lawyer?
Hmm. Wonder what they would have called those V1 and V2 rockets
And then US were more than happy to let German military scientists work for
them developing these weapons further. |
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Thu Nov 18, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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In article <3027vqF2qdc5lU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com>
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| Quote: | deil@mospam.com> wrote in message
news:deil-CA81CF.16201217112004@hermes-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
In article <301thhF2s4jkgU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
wrote:
Maybe you're thinking of the security breaches and nuclear secrets stolen
from Lawrence Livermore and Los Alamos by the Chinese during the Nixon,
Carter, Reagan and Bush
years and uncovered during the Clinton administration.
You're so full of crap it's actually funny.
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Of course you know nothing on the subject.
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Of course.
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DragonRider
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:29 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:05:04 GMT, "Hans" <hans@nowhere.nowhere> wrote:
| Quote: | Germany never attacked us nor did they have any WMD. Hey Art, by
chance, you a lawyer?
Hmm. Wonder what they would have called those V1 and V2 rockets and
why they had such a thriving nuclear weapons program in place. Then
again there were those chemical weapons that they used in WWI and
WWII... but nah, they didn't have any WMD's... <rofl> Then again there
were those submarines that were happily sinking ships including a few
US flagged which drew us into the fray...
And then US were more than happy to let German military scientists work for
them developing these weapons further.
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How could they do that? Remember, they didn't have any of those things
so no one could be working on them. <grin> |
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Earle Jones
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: OT - Comparing Iraq to WWII |
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In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
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One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
earle
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ToMh
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last |
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start. |
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Scott in Florida
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
Re: OT - Comparing Iraq to WWII |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
<earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
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because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
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Sleeker GT Phwoar
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
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In article <acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com>,
NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't says...
| Quote: | That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
And in that case, America won Viet-Nam how? |
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The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
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Scott in Florida
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:01 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:30:45 -0000, Sleeker GT Phwoar
<carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com>,
NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't says...
That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
And in that case, America won Viet-Nam how?
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We lost Viet Nam...
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Scott in Florida
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:05 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
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The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
....btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
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ToMh
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:46 am Post subject:
Re: OT - Comparing Iraq to WWII |
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:5eksp0dgg70ef4648ep9qbuse660mit9v0@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
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The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties". |
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:04 am Post subject:
Re: OT - Comparing Iraq to WWII |
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In article <3074daF2sdj8eU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | "Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:5eksp0dgg70ef4648ep9qbuse660mit9v0@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just
like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army
into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of
the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned
up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know
the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
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Tom,
Nixon got us out after having to pick up the pieces from LBJ and
McNamara, a former Ford Co. bean counter. LBJ lost it, had he bombed NV
early on as did Nixon later we would have been out of there and LBJ
would have been reelected.
Go to the library Tom.
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Scott in Florida
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:11 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:46:33 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:5eksp0dgg70ef4648ep9qbuse660mit9v0@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
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Very simple...
The lefties started and kept up their anti-war non sense long enough
and loud enough to change public opinion.
The politicians were running the war.
The opinion of the war turned around and Nixon got out.
If...If we had listened to the CIA operatives back in JFK's time...
Viet Nam would be a free country today.
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ToMh
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<diel@mosapm.com> wrote in message news:diel-DAA72D.16042819112004@hermes-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
| Quote: | In article <3074daF2sdj8eU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:5eksp0dgg70ef4648ep9qbuse660mit9v0@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just
like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army
into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of
the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned
up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know
the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Tom,
Nixon got us out after having to pick up the pieces from LBJ and
McNamara, a former Ford Co. bean counter. LBJ lost it, had he bombed NV
early on as did Nixon later we would have been out of there and LBJ
would have been reelected.
Go to the library Tom.
--
But I thought the Protesters lost the war for us? And LBJ didn't |
run for re-election. And why couldn't Nixon have won the war, despite
what LBJ did. |
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