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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:46:33 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Very simple...
The lefties started and kept up their anti-war non sense long enough
and loud enough to change public opinion.
They were pulic opinion. |
| Quote: | The politicians were running the war.
Yup, from both parties. |
| Quote: | The opinion of the war turned around and Nixon got out.
That's part of the reason, but it was long after the fact that this |
war was lost. Nixon just could justify keeping it going.
If there was any chance of us winning this war, Nixon would
not have pulled us out period. As much as I hate Nixon, he was
not one to be persuaded to go against something he believed
in.
| Quote: | If...If we had listened to the CIA operatives back in JFK's time...
Viet Nam would be a free country today.
Pretty doubtful. Vietnam and every country involved would have been |
much better off if foreign countries never interfered over there.
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Scott in Florida |
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:35 am Post subject:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:46:33 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents
just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the
army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members
of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever
cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't
know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please
explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Very simple...
The lefties started and kept up their anti-war non sense long enough
and loud enough to change public opinion.
The politicians were running the war.
The opinion of the war turned around and Nixon got out.
If...If we had listened to the CIA operatives back in JFK's time...
Viet Nam would be a free country today.
Just like the Iraqi's were supposed to be tossing flowers to the American |
liberators.... instead they are tossing grenades. |
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:47 am Post subject:
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In article <307bm5F2si9uhU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | diel@mosapm.com> wrote in message
news:diel-DAA72D.16042819112004@hermes-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
In article <3074daF2sdj8eU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents
just
like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the
army
into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members
of
the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever
cleaned
up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't
know
the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few
thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please
explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Tom,
Nixon got us out after having to pick up the pieces from LBJ and
McNamara, a former Ford Co. bean counter. LBJ lost it, had he bombed NV
early on as did Nixon later we would have been out of there and LBJ
would have been reelected.
Go to the library Tom.
--
But I thought the Protesters lost the war for us? And LBJ didn't
run for re-election. And why couldn't Nixon have won the war, despite
what LBJ did.
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Protesters had a big part in giving strength to the VC and NvA. As you
know your hero Kerry was there along with J. F. helping out. Thankfully
J. Kerry did not win. Hopefully he'll come to his senses and not run
again in 08. There seems to be some discomfort among democrats with his
hording of money from the 04 attempt to use as "seed" money in a go for
it in 08.
Otherwise, LBJ decided he screwed up and got out like any good Democrat
would then leave it up to the next guy to handle. Having said that, LBJ
had a serious heart problem and that may have affected some of his
decisions. McNamara on the other hand should have had no excuses. In
the end, he resigned in tears.
This is all unlike our present situation in Iraq where we have a
president who knows the task and will complete the job.
--
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Scott in Florida
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:47 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:50:44 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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diel@mosapm.com> wrote in message news:diel-DAA72D.16042819112004@hermes-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
In article <3074daF2sdj8eU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just
like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army
into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of
the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned
up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know
the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Tom,
Nixon got us out after having to pick up the pieces from LBJ and
McNamara, a former Ford Co. bean counter. LBJ lost it, had he bombed NV
early on as did Nixon later we would have been out of there and LBJ
would have been reelected.
Go to the library Tom.
--
But I thought the Protesters lost the war for us? And LBJ didn't
run for re-election. And why couldn't Nixon have won the war, despite
what LBJ did.
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It was a little late in the game.
The idiot politicians tied our militaries hands...told them what and
what not to bomb...etc etc.
The lesson is clear.
If you go to war....
Go to WIN!
Let the military fight. They do a great job.
Keep the f'ing politicians out of it once it gets going...
--
Scott in Florida |
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Scott in Florida
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:50 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:01:57 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:46:33 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Very simple...
The lefties started and kept up their anti-war non sense long enough
and loud enough to change public opinion.
They were pulic opinion.
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Nope ...the shaped it.
None of us relished the body bags.
We were not set up to win...
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The politicians were running the war.
Yup, from both parties.
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On that we agree.
Politicians should not be in charge of wars...
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The opinion of the war turned around and Nixon got out.
That's part of the reason, but it was long after the fact that this
war was lost. Nixon just could justify keeping it going.
If there was any chance of us winning this war, Nixon would
not have pulled us out period. As much as I hate Nixon, he was
not one to be persuaded to go against something he believed
in.
If...If we had listened to the CIA operatives back in JFK's time...
Viet Nam would be a free country today.
Pretty doubtful. Vietnam and every country involved would have been
much better off if foreign countries never interfered over there.
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They are better off now?
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Scott in Florida
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Scott in Florida |
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Scott in Florida
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:51 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:35:39 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:korsp0t4cenhsreggtbe6tgk0ci8jmtmg8@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:46:33 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents
just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the
army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members
of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever
cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't
know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please
explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Very simple...
The lefties started and kept up their anti-war non sense long enough
and loud enough to change public opinion.
The politicians were running the war.
The opinion of the war turned around and Nixon got out.
If...If we had listened to the CIA operatives back in JFK's time...
Viet Nam would be a free country today.
Just like the Iraqi's were supposed to be tossing flowers to the American
liberators.... instead they are tossing grenades.
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Nope...just the liberals...
There is a VERY small minority of Iraqis that are tossing
grenades...and the US Military and our allies are helping a LOT of
them to meet all those virgins...
--
Scott in Florida |
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:55 am Post subject:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:50:44 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
diel@mosapm.com> wrote in message news:diel-DAA72D.16042819112004@hermes-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
In article <3074daF2sdj8eU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just
like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army
into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of
the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned
up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know
the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Tom,
Nixon got us out after having to pick up the pieces from LBJ and
McNamara, a former Ford Co. bean counter. LBJ lost it, had he bombed NV
early on as did Nixon later we would have been out of there and LBJ
would have been reelected.
Go to the library Tom.
--
But I thought the Protesters lost the war for us? And LBJ didn't
run for re-election. And why couldn't Nixon have won the war, despite
what LBJ did.
It was a little late in the game.
The idiot politicians tied our militaries hands...told them what and
what not to bomb...etc etc.
The lesson is clear.
If you go to war....
Go to WIN!
Let the military fight. They do a great job.
Keep the f'ing politicians out of it once it gets going...
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I agree, just don't blame it on the protesters or just the democrats.
The public is only going to support a war for so long. After 20 years
of no progress with the Democrats and the Republicans in control,
The public is going to get restless, start questioning the involvement, and
people are going to get quite angry about the situation, and they may
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:47:28 -0600, <diel@mosapm.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <307bm5F2si9uhU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
wrote:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents
just
like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the
army
into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members
of
the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever
cleaned
up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't
know
the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few
thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please
explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Tom,
Nixon got us out after having to pick up the pieces from LBJ and
McNamara, a former Ford Co. bean counter. LBJ lost it, had he bombed NV
early on as did Nixon later we would have been out of there and LBJ
would have been reelected.
Go to the library Tom.
--
But I thought the Protesters lost the war for us? And LBJ didn't
run for re-election. And why couldn't Nixon have won the war, despite
what LBJ did.
Protesters had a big part in giving strength to the VC and NvA. As you
know your hero Kerry was there along with J. F. helping out. Thankfully
J. Kerry did not win. Hopefully he'll come to his senses and not run
again in 08. There seems to be some discomfort among democrats with his
hording of money from the 04 attempt to use as "seed" money in a go for
it in 08.
Otherwise, LBJ decided he screwed up and got out like any good Democrat
would then leave it up to the next guy to handle. Having said that, LBJ
had a serious heart problem and that may have affected some of his
decisions. McNamara on the other hand should have had no excuses. In
the end, he resigned in tears.
This is all unlike our present situation in Iraq where we have a
president who knows the task and will complete the job.
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I lost my very best childhood friend in Viet Nam. Seems a shame to
lose someone like that in a failed attempt to bring a country out from
under communism.
I personally will never forgive the anti war ass holes. John Kerry
being one of them...
Nobody 'likes' war...but if we decide to do it....DO IT RIGHT! ...and
do it to WIN!
--
Scott in Florida |
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:05 am Post subject:
Re: OT - Comparing Iraq to WWII |
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In article <frvnd.4091$Qh3.1299@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:46:33 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents
just like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the
army into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members
of the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever
cleaned up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't
know the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please
explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Very simple...
The lefties started and kept up their anti-war non sense long enough
and loud enough to change public opinion.
The politicians were running the war.
The opinion of the war turned around and Nixon got out.
If...If we had listened to the CIA operatives back in JFK's time...
Viet Nam would be a free country today.
Just like the Iraqi's were supposed to be tossing flowers to the American
liberators.... instead they are tossing grenades.
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Yeah, but getting fewer. Did you see all the weapons the Marines
captured after the latest operation. Amazing how much of this was in
Iraq.
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:09 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:55:06 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:50:44 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
diel@mosapm.com> wrote in message news:diel-DAA72D.16042819112004@hermes-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
In article <3074daF2sdj8eU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:5eksp0dgg70ef4648ep9qbuse660mit9v0@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:acrrp09ui1akish5ittd3b6pl7q4ln552b@4ax.com...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi insurgents just
like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed the army
into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some members of
the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever cleaned
up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I don't know
the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan, Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Tom,
Nixon got us out after having to pick up the pieces from LBJ and
McNamara, a former Ford Co. bean counter. LBJ lost it, had he bombed NV
early on as did Nixon later we would have been out of there and LBJ
would have been reelected.
Go to the library Tom.
--
But I thought the Protesters lost the war for us? And LBJ didn't
run for re-election. And why couldn't Nixon have won the war, despite
what LBJ did.
It was a little late in the game.
The idiot politicians tied our militaries hands...told them what and
what not to bomb...etc etc.
The lesson is clear.
If you go to war....
Go to WIN!
Let the military fight. They do a great job.
Keep the f'ing politicians out of it once it gets going...
I agree, just don't blame it on the protesters or just the democrats.
The public is only going to support a war for so long. After 20 years
of no progress with the Democrats and the Republicans in control,
The public is going to get restless, start questioning the involvement, and
people are going to get quite angry about the situation, and they may
even, "Gasp!" start to protest our involvement.
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Actually I agree again...
I'd better stop this...
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:20 am Post subject:
Re: OT - Comparing Iraq to WWII |
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In article <m32tp05adf1nfdao5d498kouh8dlf9ssav@4ax.com>,
Scott in Florida <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:47:28 -0600, <diel@mosapm.com> wrote:
In article <307bm5F2si9uhU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
wrote:
diel@mosapm.com> wrote in message
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In article <3074daF2sdj8eU1@uni-berlin.de>, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:19:49 -0800, "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com
wrote:
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in
message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:01:23 GMT, Earle Jones
earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <Dqomd.467$Qh3.59@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
Often people have posted that we will beat the Iraqi
insurgents
just
like we
cleaned up Germany after WWII.
Some differences:
1. The German army was beaten badly. In Iraq we dispersed
the
army
into
the civilian population. A major error admitted by some
members
of
the Bush
administration.
2. The German's were fighting on behalf of a leadership that
was
conquered
and/or dead. Many of the insurgents are fighting for
religious
extremism.
3. Weapons are better now on both sides. Could we have ever
cleaned
up
Germany if insurgents were as well equipped as Iraqi
insurgents?
4. The US was only occupying a small part of Germany. I
don't
know
the
relative troop numbers, land mass or population comparisons
with
Iraq. But
it is something to consider.
*
One thing that Germany and Iraq have: Fifty years after the war
is
over we will have thousands of troops there. (Ditto Japan,
Korea,
etc.)
None in Viet Nam, however. How did that happen?
because the anti-war anti-American Democrats cried and we
withdrew
from Viet Nam... That left all of Viet Nam under Communist rule.
Scott forgets that Nixon was leading the war in Vietnam for the
last
6 years. It's easier for the simple minded to think that a few
thousand
hippies shaped American policy and lost the war, than to admit that
the whole thing was a disaster from the start.
The only disaster of Viet Nam was the anti'war anti-America left
leaning wienies.
That was the cause of the loss of the war.
...btw you lefties are trying to do the same with Iraq...and it
ain't
gonna work.
--
Scott in Florida
The war was lost long before there were protesters. There were
protesters
because the war was lost, but our leaders wouldn't admit it. Please
explain
how Nixon shaped his policies based on the "Lefties".
Tom,
Nixon got us out after having to pick up the pieces from LBJ and
McNamara, a former Ford Co. bean counter. LBJ lost it, had he bombed NV
early on as did Nixon later we would have been out of there and LBJ
would have been reelected.
Go to the library Tom.
--
But I thought the Protesters lost the war for us? And LBJ didn't
run for re-election. And why couldn't Nixon have won the war, despite
what LBJ did.
Protesters had a big part in giving strength to the VC and NvA. As you
know your hero Kerry was there along with J. F. helping out. Thankfully
J. Kerry did not win. Hopefully he'll come to his senses and not run
again in 08. There seems to be some discomfort among democrats with his
hording of money from the 04 attempt to use as "seed" money in a go for
it in 08.
Otherwise, LBJ decided he screwed up and got out like any good Democrat
would then leave it up to the next guy to handle. Having said that, LBJ
had a serious heart problem and that may have affected some of his
decisions. McNamara on the other hand should have had no excuses. In
the end, he resigned in tears.
This is all unlike our present situation in Iraq where we have a
president who knows the task and will complete the job.
I lost my very best childhood friend in Viet Nam. Seems a shame to
lose someone like that in a failed attempt to bring a country out from
under communism.
I personally will never forgive the anti war ass holes. John Kerry
being one of them...
Nobody 'likes' war...but if we decide to do it....DO IT RIGHT! ...and
do it to WIN!
--
Scott in Florida
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Joseph Oberlander
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:29 am Post subject:
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ToMh wrote:
| Quote: | That's part of the reason, but it was long after the fact that this
war was lost. Nixon just could justify keeping it going.
If there was any chance of us winning this war, Nixon would
not have pulled us out period. As much as I hate Nixon, he was
not one to be persuaded to go against something he believed
in.
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Any war that you have to justify to keep going is by definition
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MDT Tech®
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Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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Joseph Oberlander wrote:
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Any war that you have to justify to keep going is by definition
already a lost cause.
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Joe, he doesnt need to justify it to me. Joe, liberals will behave like |
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Joseph Oberlander
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MDT Tech® wrote:
| Quote: | Joseph Oberlander wrote:
Any war that you have to justify to keep going is by definition
already a lost cause.
Joe, he doesnt need to justify it to me. Joe, liberals will behave like
you, regardless of the reasons for being there.
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Just pointing out a few basic truths. It'a astonishing how
trusting and pacified people are these days about the
people in charge of our nation. |
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Lady Chatterly
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In article <C0cod.1829$uV6.1265@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
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MDT Tech® wrote:
Joseph Oberlander wrote:
Any war that you have to justify to keep going is by definition
already a lost cause.
Joe, he doesnt need to justify it to me. Joe, liberals will behave like
you, regardless of the reasons for being there.
Just pointing out a few basic truths. It'a astonishing how
trusting and pacified people are these days about the
people in charge of our nation.
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Why are you so certain about that?
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