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Ed H.
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Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:49 am Post subject:
Strange coolant temp guage movement - 98 A4 V6 |
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This just started happening. On cold mornings the engine takes a while
to warm up - say 4-5 minutes after driving. Used to be much quicker.
Now the really odd thing is the water temp gauge (no degrees, just
marks) used to be just to the left (cool side) of top dead center when
warm. Now, it will go straight up, then in a few minutes, actually
fall to almost where the "C" is and then move up again. Would a bad
thermostat cause the needle to swing wildly like this? I originally
thought it was the thermostat until the gauge did this strange
maneuver and now I am wondering if is the sensor out of whack.
The oil temp seems to be fine.
98 Audi A4 V6, 2.8l Quattro, 5spd. US model.
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Tony
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Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:49 am Post subject:
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Could be the Tstat or sensor but it could also be low coolant and a bubble in
the system.
Ed H. wrote:
| Quote: | This just started happening. On cold mornings the engine takes a while
to warm up - say 4-5 minutes after driving. Used to be much quicker.
Now the really odd thing is the water temp gauge (no degrees, just
marks) used to be just to the left (cool side) of top dead center when
warm. Now, it will go straight up, then in a few minutes, actually
fall to almost where the "C" is and then move up again. Would a bad
thermostat cause the needle to swing wildly like this? I originally
thought it was the thermostat until the gauge did this strange
maneuver and now I am wondering if is the sensor out of whack.
The oil temp seems to be fine.
98 Audi A4 V6, 2.8l Quattro, 5spd. US model. |
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Ed H.
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Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Strange coolant temp guage movement - 98 A4 V6 |
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Tony <tonyjnospam@nospamvisi.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Could be the Tstat or sensor but it could also be low coolant and a bubble in
the system.
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I considered low coolant, but the overflow is well above the "Min"
line. I guess I'll take it in early next week to get checked out.
Thanks.
| Quote: | Ed H. wrote:
This just started happening. On cold mornings the engine takes a while
to warm up - say 4-5 minutes after driving. Used to be much quicker.
Now the really odd thing is the water temp gauge (no degrees, just
marks) used to be just to the left (cool side) of top dead center when
warm. Now, it will go straight up, then in a few minutes, actually
fall to almost where the "C" is and then move up again. Would a bad
thermostat cause the needle to swing wildly like this? I originally
thought it was the thermostat until the gauge did this strange
maneuver and now I am wondering if is the sensor out of whack.
The oil temp seems to be fine.
98 Audi A4 V6, 2.8l Quattro, 5spd. US model.
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Ian S
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:20 am Post subject:
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It's probably the sensor. I had to have mine replaced on the same car -
around $200 at the dealer IIRC. Thermostats usually fail by sticking in some
position so the behavior you describe is unlikely. . |
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Dave LaCourse
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:13 am Post subject:
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Ian writes:
| Quote: | Thermostats usually fail by sticking in some
position so the behavior you describe is unlikely. .
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I agree. But, on the chance it *is* a thermostat, while you down and in there,
ya might as well replace the timing belt and the water pump.
Dave
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Ian S
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:
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"Dave LaCourse" <davplac@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Ian writes:
Thermostats usually fail by sticking in some
position so the behavior you describe is unlikely. .
I agree. But, on the chance it *is* a thermostat, while you down and in
there,
ya might as well replace the timing belt and the water pump.
Dave
RS6
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also be considered unless they've been recently replaced. I still think the
OP will discover it's the sensor. |
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Dennis
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 6:08 pm Post subject:
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The easiest thing to replace is the temp sensor. I just had an issue
with my 2001 A8 where my needle used to run about 1/4 on the gauge and
then started going to half, and eventually 3/4. The car had plenty of
heat and although it never overheated, it would run high enough so the
electric fan would click in on high speed. It turned out to be a
thermostat. If it were a Chevy, it would have been about 4 bucks and a
15 minute job but seeing how it's an Audi, it was $2026 and 2 days. It
was about time to do a timing belt so that service, along with a water
pump, pulleys, thermostat, tensioner, serpentine belt, and antifreeze
were all replaced at once. Just the thermostat would have been about
$1000 due to the labor involved in getting to the $14 part.
If your car has around 80k on it and the timing belt hasn't been
serviced, you should get it done. I had a 98 A6 that I did the timing
belt on and it wasn't that difficult. You have to buy a couple of
special tools though. One tool locks the crankshaft at the top dead
center position for the number one cylinder and the other holds the cams
in place so you can keep them aligned with the crank shaft. I think they
are about $140 for both. The parts you will need will cost you about
$200-$300 Wich will include thermostat and gasket, water pump and
gasket, timing belt, crankshaft seal, serpentine belt, tensioner pulley,
and idler pully.
Good luck! Dennis
Ed H. wrote:
| Quote: | This just started happening. On cold mornings the engine takes a while
to warm up - say 4-5 minutes after driving. Used to be much quicker.
Now the really odd thing is the water temp gauge (no degrees, just
marks) used to be just to the left (cool side) of top dead center when
warm. Now, it will go straight up, then in a few minutes, actually
fall to almost where the "C" is and then move up again. Would a bad
thermostat cause the needle to swing wildly like this? I originally
thought it was the thermostat until the gauge did this strange
maneuver and now I am wondering if is the sensor out of whack.
The oil temp seems to be fine.
98 Audi A4 V6, 2.8l Quattro, 5spd. US model. |
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Ed H.
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:59 am Post subject:
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davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:
| Quote: | Ian writes:
Thermostats usually fail by sticking in some
position so the behavior you describe is unlikely. .
I agree. But, on the chance it *is* a thermostat, while you down and in there,
ya might as well replace the timing belt and the water pump.
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Well, I hope it is the sensor. I described the behavior to them Friday
and they agreed with the general opinion. I had the timing belt and
timing belt tensioner replaced in December. I'd hate to go through
much of that expense again if it is the thermostat. :-|
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Peter Bell
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:51 pm Post subject:
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Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Well, I hope it is the sensor. I described the behavior to them Friday
and they agreed with the general opinion. I had the timing belt and
timing belt tensioner replaced in December.
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You /did/ have the water pump and thermostat changed at the same time,
didn't you?
| Quote: | I'd hate to go through much of that expense again if it is the
thermostat. :-|
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KLS
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject:
Re: Strange coolant temp guage movement - 98 A4 V6 |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:59:10 -0600, Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net>
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| Quote: | Well, I hope it is the sensor. I described the behavior to them Friday
and they agreed with the general opinion. I had the timing belt and
timing belt tensioner replaced in December. I'd hate to go through
much of that expense again if it is the thermostat. :-|
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Funny you mention this because my own A4, identical model and vintage
as yours, does/did the same thing after getting a whole new TB/TB
tensioner, and water pump at 69k miles. Before this work was done,
the coolant gauge would stay rock solid right on the middle hash mark,
and afterward it would wander up almost to the next hash mark and back
down and back again. This wandering behavior has stopped for the time
being (our temps are freezing right now, with lots of snow and ice on
the ground, reaffirming the perfection of the A4 for my driving
needs). The gauge never passes that next hash mark except when the
engine is turned off and the car is hot; once I get the engine started
and the radiator cooling, the gauge moves back down again. I've lived
with this now for almost $15k miles and just keep my eye on it for the
reason you state: I really don't want to fork over the labor $$ to
change out the sensor/thermostat. |
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Ed H.
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:00 pm Post subject:
Re: Strange coolant temp guage movement - 98 A4 V6 |
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KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:59:10 -0600, Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net
wrote:
Well, I hope it is the sensor. I described the behavior to them Friday
and they agreed with the general opinion. I had the timing belt and
timing belt tensioner replaced in December. I'd hate to go through
much of that expense again if it is the thermostat. :-|
Funny you mention this because my own A4, identical model and vintage
as yours, does/did the same thing after getting a whole new TB/TB
tensioner, and water pump at 69k miles. Before this work was done,
the coolant gauge would stay rock solid right on the middle hash mark,
and afterward it would wander up almost to the next hash mark and back
down and back again. This wandering behavior has stopped for the time
being (our temps are freezing right now, with lots of snow and ice on
the ground, reaffirming the perfection of the A4 for my driving
needs). The gauge never passes that next hash mark except when the
engine is turned off and the car is hot; once I get the engine started
and the radiator cooling, the gauge moves back down again. I've lived
with this now for almost $15k miles and just keep my eye on it for the
reason you state: I really don't want to fork over the labor $$ to
change out the sensor/thermostat.
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Odd. My gauge drops to "C" as soon as I turn the key off - always has.
I assumed the gauge was electric and regardless of the engine temp, it
would not register if the car was off.
The car warms up on the inside as fast as ever, so the thermostat
can't be sticking open. The mechanic told me it would take 10-15
minutes before I got heat if that were the case, which makes sense.
The erratic behavior has subsided a bit. Wondering if it is an anomaly
similar to what you described after having your tb/tb tensioner
replaced? I am going to keep an eye on it and the oil temp. The car is
warming up - gets to *almost* 200F on the oil temp when driven for
extended periods (longer than 30 minutes) and is well above 175F even
for 5-10 minutes trips. Never gets above that in the winter. I've seen
it approach 250F in the dead of summer - gets above 95F here in TN.
More and more this looks like a faulty gauge sensor.
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Ed H.
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject:
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Peter Bell <peter@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
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Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote:
Well, I hope it is the sensor. I described the behavior to them Friday
and they agreed with the general opinion. I had the timing belt and
timing belt tensioner replaced in December.
You /did/ have the water pump and thermostat changed at the same time,
didn't you?
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No. :-( Lesson learned. Assuming my problem isn't the thermostat and
it lasts another 60K miles, I'll get both changed at the next TB
change at around 200,000 miles.
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