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Dave LaCourse
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Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:03 pm Post subject:
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Jay writes:
| Quote: | On 29 Jan 2005 17:53:25 GMT, davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:
Jay writes:
Also, set the steering wheel to
keep your elbows bent quite a bit. The "sports car straight arm" posture
will strain your neck, and this may be the source of the pinched nerve.
The best way to find seat position is to adjust the seat so that when your
shoulders are against the seat back and your arms extended, your wrist
should
be resting on the top of the steering wheel. This technique is taught in
many
performance driving schools.
This is exactly the problem! This used to be favored for "performance
driving" but not as much these days. However, the point is that we are
seeking a strain-free seat position, particularly for someone with lower
back/sciatic problems. The straight-arm posture is exceedingly hard on the
cervical and lumbar regions.
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Uhhhh, where did I say "straight arm" in my advice? It isn't there. And, if
you adjust your seat so that you *are* comfortable *and* your wrists hang over
the top of the steering wheel, your arms will have a very comfortable position.
They will NOT be straight armed, but have a fairly good bend in them. *And*
they will be comfortable. Try it.
Dave
RS6
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Jay Somerset
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:57 am Post subject:
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On 30 Jan 2005 18:03:56 GMT, davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:
| Quote: | Jay writes:
On 29 Jan 2005 17:53:25 GMT, davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:
Jay writes:
Also, set the steering wheel to
keep your elbows bent quite a bit. The "sports car straight arm" posture
will strain your neck, and this may be the source of the pinched nerve.
The best way to find seat position is to adjust the seat so that when your
shoulders are against the seat back and your arms extended, your wrist
should
be resting on the top of the steering wheel. This technique is taught in
many
performance driving schools.
This is exactly the problem! This used to be favored for "performance
driving" but not as much these days. However, the point is that we are
seeking a strain-free seat position, particularly for someone with lower
back/sciatic problems. The straight-arm posture is exceedingly hard on the
cervical and lumbar regions.
Uhhhh, where did I say "straight arm" in my advice? It isn't there. And, if
you adjust your seat so that you *are* comfortable *and* your wrists hang over
the top of the steering wheel, your arms will have a very comfortable position.
They will NOT be straight armed, but have a fairly good bend in them. *And*
they will be comfortable. Try it.
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What you quoted was close enough to "straight arm" to cause stress. Even
with wrists resting on top of the wheel, arms will still be extended too
much for many people. I stand by my advice.
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Jay.
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Dave LaCourse
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:29 am Post subject:
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Jay Somerset writes:
| Quote: | What you quoted was close enough to "straight arm" to cause stress. Even
with wrists resting on top of the wheel, arms will still be extended too
much for many people. I stand by my advice.
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You're reading skills need help, Jay. Nowhere did I say that you should rest
your wrists on the top of the wheel while driving.
Let me try again, and I'll try to be more explicit for you.
To find the correct (racing or street driving) seating postion, get comfortable
in your seat. Then, extend your arms over the top of the wheel. Your wrists
should rest on top of the wheel. This is a *measurement only*!!! NOTE: *This
is NOT the driving position of the hands!* If your wrists can rest on the top
of the wheel from your *comfortable* seating position, your arms are ready to
drive the car. Now, comes the tricky part: remove your wrists from the top of
the wheel and place your hands at three and nine (Note: Three is for the
RIGHT hand, while nine is for the LEFT hand.) At this driving postion you are
not only comfortable but you can steer the car properly. In this *proper*
seating/steering position, it is possible to make a complete half turn of the
wheel without lifting your hands from the 3 and 9 position. If you need more
wheel than that, chances are you are already in a world of shit and no steering
will help! (Think brakes at this time, Jay! And screaming too!) Also, if you
like to shuffle steer, (I don't) this position is ideal.
I hope this has cleared up any misunderstanding. <sigh>
I've taught this measurement method to just about every police officer in
Vermont, The Vermont Police Academy, lots in Massachusetts State Troopers
(Troup E on the Mass Pike), some in Maryland, the RCMP in Regina, Saskatchawan,
The Marshall Service, any number of body guards (including Henry Kissenger's),
EMTs, fleet drivers, teens, and just plain old ordinary people.
It works!
Dave
RS6
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:34 am Post subject:
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Reijer
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Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject:
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Dave,
"Dave LaCourse" <davplac@aol.comPirate> wrote in message
I guess your almost there but you should have started with:
Sit in the chair and press the clutch (or brake i.c.o. automatic car).
Adjust the chair position in such way that if the clutch is fully pressed,
the knee is stil bend a little and not fully streched. Next contiue with
adjustment of the steeringwheel and or back of the chair with the
measurement you have described.
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To find the correct (racing or street driving) seating postion, get
comfortable
in your seat. Then, extend your arms over the top of the wheel. Your
wrists
should rest on top of the wheel. This is a *measurement only*!!! NOTE:
*This
is NOT the driving position of the hands!* If your wrists can rest on the
top
of the wheel from your *comfortable* seating position, your arms are ready
to
drive the car. Now, comes the tricky part: remove your wrists from the
top of
the wheel and place your hands at three and nine (Note: Three is for the
RIGHT hand, while nine is for the LEFT hand.) At this driving postion you
are
not only comfortable but you can steer the car properly. In this *proper*
seating/steering position, it is possible to make a complete half turn of
the
wheel without lifting your hands from the 3 and 9 position. If you need
more
wheel than that, chances are you are already in a world of shit and no
steering
will help! (Think brakes at this time, Jay! And screaming too!) Also,
if you
like to shuffle steer, (I don't) this position is ideal.
I hope this has cleared up any misunderstanding. <sigh
I've taught this measurement method to just about every police officer in
Vermont, The Vermont Police Academy, lots in Massachusetts State Troopers
(Troup E on the Mass Pike), some in Maryland, the RCMP in Regina,
Saskatchawan,
The Marshall Service, any number of body guards (including Henry
Kissenger's),
EMTs, fleet drivers, teens, and just plain old ordinary people.
It works!
Dave
RS6
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Jay Somerset
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Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:35 am Post subject:
Re: ruined my life |
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On 31 Jan 2005 02:29:35 GMT, davplac@aol.comPirate (Dave LaCourse) wrote:
| Quote: | Jay Somerset writes:
What you quoted was close enough to "straight arm" to cause stress. Even
with wrists resting on top of the wheel, arms will still be extended too
much for many people. I stand by my advice.
You're reading skills need help, Jay. Nowhere did I say that you should rest
your wrists on the top of the wheel while driving.
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I'm not an idiot. Obviously, the "wrists on top of the wheel" was to set
distance -- no one drives that way.
You seem to have missed a very important point -- street driving and
performance driving positions have different objectives. Both strive to
maintain good car control, but the performance driving one doesn't care two
hoots for long-term comfort, nor cater to drivers with neck/leg/back
problems.
Of course the position you espouse works -- all I have said was that is not
necessarily optimal for all people.
Cut down a bit on the arrogance and sarcasm -- it might help.
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Let me try again, and I'll try to be more explicit for you.
To find the correct (racing or street driving) seating postion, get comfortable
in your seat. Then, extend your arms over the top of the wheel. Your wrists
should rest on top of the wheel. This is a *measurement only*!!! NOTE: *This
is NOT the driving position of the hands!* If your wrists can rest on the top
of the wheel from your *comfortable* seating position, your arms are ready to
drive the car. Now, comes the tricky part: remove your wrists from the top of
the wheel and place your hands at three and nine (Note: Three is for the
RIGHT hand, while nine is for the LEFT hand.) At this driving postion you are
not only comfortable but you can steer the car properly. In this *proper*
seating/steering position, it is possible to make a complete half turn of the
wheel without lifting your hands from the 3 and 9 position. If you need more
wheel than that, chances are you are already in a world of shit and no steering
will help! (Think brakes at this time, Jay! And screaming too!) Also, if you
like to shuffle steer, (I don't) this position is ideal.
I hope this has cleared up any misunderstanding. <sigh
I've taught this measurement method to just about every police officer in
Vermont, The Vermont Police Academy, lots in Massachusetts State Troopers
(Troup E on the Mass Pike), some in Maryland, the RCMP in Regina, Saskatchawan,
The Marshall Service, any number of body guards (including Henry Kissenger's),
EMTs, fleet drivers, teens, and just plain old ordinary people.
It works!
Dave
RS6
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Jay.
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