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Steven Grauman
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:52 am Post subject:
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<<The 4th worst car Porsche ever built was the boxster, because it's
not a
Porsche.>>
Then what is it?
<<he 3rd worst car Porsche ever built was the cayenne, because its a
4x4.>>
That's ridiculous.
<The 2nd worst car Audi ever built was 924 because its not a Porsche,
but it
saved Porsche's neck>>
Porsche designed it, Porsche wrote the checks for it, Porsche badged
and sold it. The Audi engine doesn't make not a Porsche.
<<The undisputed worst car Porsche ever built ( well Audi ever built )
was the
944 as it was a full blooded Audi, and NOT a real Porsche and has no
recognition whatsoever within the Porsche fraternity.>>
Well PCA would disagree with you, as would anyone who knows a damn
thing. By the time the 944 rolled around, there was a new chassis being
used and the Audi enine from the 924 was gone. It *is* a Porsche.
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Steven Grauman
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Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:52 am Post subject:
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<<The 4th worst car Porsche ever built was the boxster, because it's
not a
Porsche.>>
Then what is it?
<<he 3rd worst car Porsche ever built was the cayenne, because its a
4x4.>>
That's ridiculous.
<The 2nd worst car Audi ever built was 924 because its not a Porsche,
but it
saved Porsche's neck>>
Porsche designed it, Porsche wrote the checks for it, Porsche badged
and sold it. The Audi engine doesn't make not a Porsche.
<<The undisputed worst car Porsche ever built ( well Audi ever built )
was the
944 as it was a full blooded Audi, and NOT a real Porsche and has no
recognition whatsoever within the Porsche fraternity.>>
Well PCA would disagree with you, as would anyone who knows a damn
thing. By the time the 944 rolled around, there was a new chassis being
used and the Audi enine from the 924 was gone. It *is* a Porsche. |
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Chris B
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:07 am Post subject:
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"erico!" <mrudud@hududeudla.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | No, it's in the realms of worst Porsche ever built, record read aas
follows,
The 4th worst car Porsche ever built was the boxster, because it's not a
Porsche.
The 3rd worst car Porsche ever built was the cayenne, because its a 4x4.
The 2nd worst car Audi ever built was 924 because its not a Porsche, but
it saved Porsche's neck
The undisputed worst car Porsche ever built ( well Audi ever built ) was
the 944 as it was a full blooded Audi, and NOT a real Porsche and has no
recognition whatsoever within the Porsche fraternity.
Only the cheap losers will drive a 944, the harp on about the marque like
they are actually part of it.
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Basically, what you are saying here is 'I know virtually nothing about
Porsche'. If you are going to criticise something, it's a good starting
pooint to get your facts straight.
The 924 started out as a VW-Audi project - VW-Audi contracted Porsche to
design a sports car for them. They used an Audi engine with a
Porsche-designed head and various readliy-available VW parts. VAG cancelled
their plans late into development and Porsche bought the project outright.
They had the car built at an Audi plant. If anything, although the 924 would
probably have been badged as an Audi (had things gone to the original plan),
it can be levelled that the 924 is a VW - one look under the bonnet and VW
badges are apparent everywhere. However, Porsche *designed* the car - and
did a fantastic job. They took virtually bog-standard VW parts and an engine
that was more at home in a VW LT van and Audi saloons and delivered a budget
sports car with a decent amount of power (unfortunately the US market got an
underpowered, detuned version of the 125bhp 2 litre unit) and wonderful
handling characteristics. Porsche then went on to make more and more
powerful versions of the 924, proving the handling was capable of much more
than the 2 litre NA engine could provide and making the car more 'Porsche'
in the process. By 1986, the 924 had a completely Porsche-designed engine
and uprated, non-VW running gear to match it.
As for the 944, your comments make me think you *must* realise that you're
talking utter, utter rubbish. I'll take the bait though, because sometimes
it's worth setting the record straight for the sake of others. The 944 was
derived from the 924 Carrera and had an engine designed and built by Porsche
in it's Zuffenhausen factory. It's Porsche alright. The reason a lot of
total purists might still shun the 924, the 944 and even the 928 and 968 is
because they don't follow the basic 911 rule of making something very fast
with an engine stuck right at the back of it - which is basically a very,
very impractical way to try to make a good-handling road car. Still, I guess
it sure as hell makes it more fun (or dangerous, depending on how you look
at things).
I think that's a basically correct overview of the 924/944 history - you can
google for plenty of info about these fantastic cars.
At the end of the day, Porsche decided to stick their badges on the 924 and
944. Porsche designed those cars, and it was Porsche who put them into
production. Porsche wanted them to be part of their line-up, it was a very
good business decision and they are very, very good cars - regardless of
what badge is on the front of them.
One could say that the only 'real' Porsche is a 911 - as it's rear engined -
but then if you were to go down that elitist route, you should probably
conclude that actually, the only 'real' Porsche is a 356. Or maybe, only
'real' Porsches have air-cooled engines - in which case, Porsche don't
actually make Porsches anymore!
Then again, I've yet to see a Porsche I thought was truly bad. The worst I
think I've seen was the late 90's redesign of the 911's front headlights,
now thankfully gone.
Oh, and I do think that the Cayenne looks like a 911 on stilts.
;)
Chris.
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Nate Nagel
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:02 am Post subject:
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Hey, how 'bout you have a big tall glass of STFU. Maybe you don't like
944's, that's your prerogative, but if Porsche put their crest on it,
they must have thought it merited to be called a Porsche. So... who
exactly are *you* again to be second guessing Porsche themselves about
what defines Porsche-ness? I'm only surprised that you didn't put some
snide remark in about 914s or 928s. But other than that exactly typical
of what you'd expect from someone who's never driven the car's they're
bitching about.
FWIW the 9*2*4 had a lot of Audi influence, but the 9*4*4 had a Porsche
motor, essentially half a 928 V-8. So you can't even get your facts
straight! What a maroon.
nate
(and I don't even like the Cayenne!)
erico! wrote:
| Quote: | No, it's in the realms of worst Porsche ever built, record read aas follows,
The 4th worst car Porsche ever built was the boxster, because it's not a
Porsche.
The 3rd worst car Porsche ever built was the cayenne, because its a 4x4.
The 2nd worst car Audi ever built was 924 because its not a Porsche, but it
saved Porsche's neck
The undisputed worst car Porsche ever built ( well Audi ever built ) was the
944 as it was a full blooded Audi, and NOT a real Porsche and has no
recognition whatsoever within the Porsche fraternity.
Only the cheap losers will drive a 944, the harp on about the marque like
they are actually part of it.
"dick allen" <noway@home.com> wrote in message
news:ue29u0p2vcviv16k435i3l50doe8u8eu6d@4ax.com...
I say yes!!! i have had mine for a month and think it combines a
sports car and suv.. my other cars are 5 series bmw and acura mdx
the cayenne has somehow merged these two cars into the most thrilling
and practical ever built, and to think its almost 100% tax deductible
!!
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Dan Stephenson
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:54 am Post subject:
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In article <zRhJd.15710$2b6.14075@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Chris B
<lord_waymasterNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Basically, what you are saying here is
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Dude, he's a TROLL, he posts quick shit just so people like you get
hooked and waste their life replying, as if he gives a damn what you
have to say
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Dan Stephenson
Photos and movies from US Parks and all over Europe:
http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda |
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Chris B
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Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:15 pm Post subject:
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"Dan Stephenson" <stephedanospam@mac.com> wrote in message
news:250120052054219262%stephedanospam@mac.com...
| Quote: | In article <zRhJd.15710$2b6.14075@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Chris B
lord_waymasterNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
Basically, what you are saying here is
Dude, he's a TROLL, he posts quick shit just so people like you get
hooked and waste their life replying, as if he gives a damn what you
have to say
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Yeah, I pretty much figured that - I usually ignore them but on the odd
occasion when I've got nothing better to do, I think it's worth setting the
record straight.
I guess I was in an axe-grinding mood the other night ;)
Chris.
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PHILLIP DOUGAN
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject:
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Yes, built in daylight, designed in the dark.
Lack of imagination, typical German result.hence the result, may be they
will ask a American like B.M.W. ///////
"dick allen" <noway@home.com> wrote in message
news:ue29u0p2vcviv16k435i3l50doe8u8eu6d@4ax.com...
| Quote: | I say yes!!! i have had mine for a month and think it combines a
sports car and suv.. my other cars are 5 series bmw and acura mdx
the cayenne has somehow merged these two cars into the most thrilling
and practical ever built, and to think its almost 100% tax deductible
!! |
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Jim Keenan
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Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:10 am Post subject:
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PHILLIP DOUGAN wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, built in daylight, designed in the dark.
Lack of imagination, typical German result.hence the result, may be they
will ask a American like B.M.W. ///////
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Having driven both, I'd buy the Porsche over the BMW any day........... |
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