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[Steven Grauman]

<<The S was fast (for an SUV), handled very well (for an SUV), was
extremely comfortable (for anything) and would manage 20 MPG with a
light right foot. My wife has had Explorers (company cars), my folks
have a Lexus RX330, we own an MDX and I've test driven the Toureg. If
we
were replacing the MDX and had the money it would be the Cayenne, no
contest.>>

I was REALLY impressed with the Cayenne S when we test drove it, and
personally quite like the way both it and the Turbo version look.
However, the Touraeg we ended up with was under $48,000 (as opposed to
WELL over $50k for the Cayenne) and is 95% as good to drive with an
interior geared less toward sport and more toward luxury.

[Holden McThynge]

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[MG]

I own a Jeep Liberty with 5 speed manual transmission, sport package, V6 and
the 4 wheel drive you shift into from inside the cab.
I paid a whopping 20K for the privilege of going off road on the mountainous
areas of Colorado, the farm areas of Kansas and wherever I need 4 wheel
drive. I drive this car on the road when I need to take my wife and dogs
with me on a trip or when bad weather is expected. The rest of the time,
for handling, for good weather, I take my 1980 Porsche 911 SC Targa which
has been babied by me since new or I take the newer 1984 928S which my wife
babies as her daily driver. Now I paid 20K for the Jeep, have about 7K in
the 928 and over 25years, have about 40K into the 1980 including all
purchase costs and maintenance.
I do not know why I would buy a 50K Cayenne or any of the top dollar SUVs
since no matter how you slice it, you still have a truck no matter how
nicely it handles or how fast it goes. I actually do use my SUV as an off
roader which I know is very novel to many. I am not putting down those who
have to own the Lincoln Navigator, Porsche Cayenne, Cadillac Escalade,
Infiniti whatever but to me it seems like putting a sows ear in a silk purse
and to me, it seems like buying a lot of image.

Mel
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[Holden McThynge]

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[Broder Busch]

If You have got a micro-penis, it may be the best car ever built especially
for you...

[Steven Grauman]

<<I do not know why I would buy a 50K Cayenne or any of the top dollar
SUVs
since no matter how you slice it, you still have a truck no matter how
nicely it handles or how fast it goes.>>

One of my "neighbors" from up the street has a Cayenne Turbo. He also
has a late 1980s Jeep Wagoneer that's in really mint shape. He uses
the Cayenne as his daily driver as well as to tow jet skies and ATVs,
and takes it to Tahoe for light snow duty when he goes skiing. He loves
it because it has the capability to tow essentially anything he'd ever
need it to tow, it drives, handles and acclerates like a high-end
sports car and it's actually got a pretty damn good off-road ability,
if he ever needs it for that. However, he still uses the jeep to carry
his 3 dogs, large loads of lumber or anything else he made need to
carry, and for any off-roading he may want to do. He doesn't want to
risk any major damage to the $90k + Porsche. That's what makes it
useful though. It's tow capable, has plenty of space, a surprising
amount of off-road ability and it handles, drives and acclerates like a
sports car.

[Steven Grauman]

<<They took a
bunch of SUV's up to a ski slope, gave them each a 200 meter running
start
and then it was straight up the ski slope (covered in, of all things,
snow).
The Toureg 10 cylinder Diesel won by a wide margin over it's nearest
rival,
the Cayenne.>>

I've seen some off-road footage and talked to an owner who's taken his
V8 Touraeg off-road. Based on what I've seen and heard, the Touraeg is
very near if not equal to Land Rover/Jeep capable off-road, especially
with the proper tire fitment. The vehicle is avaliable with locking
front and rear diffs as well as an air-suspension that make it
extremely flexible off-road.

[Martin²]

Grauman:.

[Steven Grauman]

<<Well, I wonder why Porsche bothers with the 911's and Boxsters then
?>>

"handles, drives and acclerates like a sports car" does not not mean
like *all* sports cars, and it does not mean that the 911 and Boxster
are not very different, and in their own ways, superior vehicles. What
you're asking is like asking why they need both the Boxster and the
911, or why Ferrari builds more than one car.

[MG]

"Steven Grauman" <OneActor1@aol.com> . What

[dick allen]

and it get compliments from hot older chicks


chris evert (tennis player for those of you born after 1980) told me
my car was hot when we were both picking up our kids from school. Now
she is a few years older than me, but she still looks great!

[Steven Grauman]

<<Infiniti: As good as or better than the Cayenne in things that trucks
are
supposed to do.>>

We test drove the FX45, and it's quite probably my least favorite SUV.
The Cayenne's on-road performance is better, even if only marginally,
it has MUCH more comfortable rear seats, a higher towing capacity, is
off-road capable and will retain greater re-sale. The FX felt cheap
inside by comparsion and I'd say that if you're not interested in the
Porsche, the Caddy SRX is probably the closeest you'll get in terms of
sport and the Touraeg is close behind, while retaining some off-road
ability the Caddy lacks.

<<it is a vehicle that screams I have made it but am a
little antsy about showing it>>

We never have and never would buy a vehicle just to impress others. If
that were what we wanted, the BMW X5, Mercedes Benz ML500 and Cayenne
would have been the only cars we looked at, and we certainly would have
not gotten anything with a VW badge. If you see the Cayenne as simply a
giant excuse to show off than you're missing the point.

<<My Jeep is rough riding, kind of noisy, can be washed out with a
hose, is
all plasticy and fabric, goes like a bat out of hell straight up those
mountain trails and gives you feel as you are going up.>>

The Liberty is cheap, ugly, underpowered and from what I hear, has a
bad history of reliability problems, just like the last generation
Grand Cherokee. It'd be at the bottom of my list of "if I have no other
choice" SUVs. I'll take a Wrangler though, it least it doen;t make any
false promises.

<<Think I will stay with the Jeep with a
blast down the highway on good days with the top off of my 911 SC Targa
or
the sunroof open on the 928. I even sit close to the ground with a
decent
center of gravity while going fast.>>

Maybe it didn't occur to you that some people, like my neighbor, aren't
interested in both a sports car AND an SUV. The Cayenne S and Turbo
combine most of the best parts of both types of car into one vehicle.

[Jim Keenan]

Martin² wrote:

[erico!]

No, it's in the realms of worst Porsche ever built, record read aas follows,

The 4th worst car Porsche ever built was the boxster, because it's not a
Porsche.
The 3rd worst car Porsche ever built was the cayenne, because its a 4x4.
The 2nd worst car Audi ever built was 924 because its not a Porsche, but it
saved Porsche's neck
The undisputed worst car Porsche ever built ( well Audi ever built ) was the
944 as it was a full blooded Audi, and NOT a real Porsche and has no
recognition whatsoever within the Porsche fraternity.
Only the cheap losers will drive a 944, the harp on about the marque like
they are actually part of it.

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[Steven Grauman]

<<The 4th worst car Porsche ever built was the boxster, because it's
not a
Porsche.>>

Then what is it?

<<he 3rd worst car Porsche ever built was the cayenne, because its a
4x4.>>

That's ridiculous.

<The 2nd worst car Audi ever built was 924 because its not a Porsche,
but it
saved Porsche's neck>>

Porsche designed it, Porsche wrote the checks for it, Porsche badged
and sold it. The Audi engine doesn't make not a Porsche.

<<The undisputed worst car Porsche ever built ( well Audi ever built )
was the
944 as it was a full blooded Audi, and NOT a real Porsche and has no
recognition whatsoever within the Porsche fraternity.>>

Well PCA would disagree with you, as would anyone who knows a damn
thing. By the time the 944 rolled around, there was a new chassis being
used and the Audi enine from the 924 was gone. It *is* a Porsche.