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Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:47 am Post subject:
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I can only assume you have not driven a 500, if you believe that
it is under powered.
mike hunt
Eric Dreher wrote:
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:31:00 -0500, MikeHunt@lycos.com wrote:
According to "Automotive News," sales of the 500 are exceeding
Ford expectations as are the sales of the new
Mustang. Dealers are getting over MSRP in some markets
for Mustangs. One dealer says "My customers are coming in for
service, upon seeing the Mustang they are going home with new
cars, its 1964 all over again it seems"
That may be, but Ford is still changing the engine.
And THAT isn't going to make happy campers of those who've
already purchased their 500's.
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:56 am Post subject:
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You forgot to say in my opinion.. We see a lot of
Fords in fleet service with super high mileage's that
are still trouble free. ;)
mike hunt
"B. Peg" wrote:
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I've always liked Ford's styling.
It's just that their engines and powertrains that are crap.
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:25 am Post subject:
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One should not expect to get accurate information about Fords
from guys in an anti Ford NG like this NG. The 500 is not a
Camry competitor. Like the Chrysler 300 the Ford 500 is classed
as full sized car, not a mid size car like the Camry, although
the V6 Camry cost thousands more. Ford is not changing the
engine, what they will be doing in the fall is offering the new
3.5 V6, that is standard in the 2006 Milan and Zephyr, as an
option on high end 500 models. The current 2L 24V engine, with
the six speed and CVT trannys, is quite capable of out performing
others with V6 engines with up to 50 HP more, while still getting
superior fuel mileage. The 500 easily out performs the more
expensive 300 and Avalon
with larger V6's in 0 to 60, 1/4 mile, 50 MPH to 80 MPH
times/speeds If you really want something with big balls in the
Camry V6 price range, drive a 300 HP Mustang GT, awesome
mike hunt
"C. E. White" wrote:
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Eric Dreher wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:31:00 -0500, MikeHunt@lycos.com wrote:
According to "Automotive News," sales of the 500 are exceeding
Ford expectations as are the sales of the new
Mustang. Dealers are getting over MSRP in some markets
for Mustangs. One dealer says "My customers are coming in for
service, upon seeing the Mustang they are going home with new
cars, its 1964 all over again it seems"
That may be, but Ford is still changing the engine.
And THAT isn't going to make happy campers of those who've
already purchased their 500's.
Why so? Toyota has changed Camry engines numerous times.
Most Camry owners I know don't seem to mind. Are you
implying that Ford owners are better informed and a more
dicerning group than Toyota owners?
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:29 am Post subject:
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Seems to me it is a bit disingenuous to judge all Toyotas or any
brand for that matter good or bad, by the one you once owned.
mike hunt
"C. E. White" wrote:
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"B. Peg" wrote:
I've always liked Ford's styling.
It's just that their engines and powertrains that are crap.
Well my parents have owned nothing but Fords since 1957, and
they never had an engine or transmission failure. I only
wish I could have said the same for the Toyocrap I owned.
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 2:42 am Post subject:
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The certainly do, it is called VALUE. Otherwise we would all buy
Rolls Royce cars. Buyers by Fords because they know value when
they see it. Surely the Lexus is the best Toyota, yet enough
buyers chose the Camry for it value to make it the number on
selling car in the US. Same can be said for the Ford F150 #1
seller in America for 27 years, the Explorer the best selling
midsize SUV for 16 years, the Escape best selling small SUV for 4
years, Crown Vic, Focus, Econoline etc., value for the dollar
that what smart buys want the best value for their money. ;)
mike hunt
Scott in Florida wrote:
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:01:49 -0500, "C. E. White"
cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
HachiRoku wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:37 +0000, Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the mall
all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good mileage
figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of course I
haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left out the
engine.
Hey, Art, haven't really seen one yet? Big, but not like the Crown Vic,
Bigger than a Taurus, sorta ugly, and a cheap interior. For should have
put a little more into it before releasing it. Also, check the price.
I have been in a 500 and, I can't imagine anyone in a Toyota
newsgroup calling the 500's interior cheap. It is far more
attractive than any Camry I've ever been in. And the price
was astonishingly low - of course since I was shopping for a
truck, almost all cars seem to be dirt cheap.
Ed
Ford knows what their vehicles are worth...
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Hans
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 3:05 am Post subject:
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What are you doing here in Toyota newsgroups? You'd better go to
alt.autos.ford to praise these marvels of engineering.
<MajorDomo@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:419922DA.125590DB@mailcity.com...
| Quote: | The certainly do, it is called VALUE. Otherwise we would all buy
Rolls Royce cars. Buyers by Fords because they know value when
they see it. Surely the Lexus is the best Toyota, yet enough
buyers chose the Camry for it value to make it the number on
selling car in the US. Same can be said for the Ford F150 #1
seller in America for 27 years, the Explorer the best selling
midsize SUV for 16 years, the Escape best selling small SUV for 4
years, Crown Vic, Focus, Econoline etc., value for the dollar
that what smart buys want the best value for their money. ;)
mike hunt |
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:20 am Post subject:
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Do you mean to say you don't think the number one selling car in
the US, the Camry, is not a good value. Something does not get to
be number one unless buyers think of it as a good value. I thing
Toyota makes great cars. What are you doing here if you don't
like Toyotas anyway? ;)
mike hunt
Hans wrote:
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What are you doing here in Toyota newsgroups? You'd better go to
alt.autos.ford to praise these marvels of engineering.
MajorDomo@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:419922DA.125590DB@mailcity.com...
The certainly do, it is called VALUE. Otherwise we would all buy
Rolls Royce cars. Buyers by Fords because they know value when
they see it. Surely the Lexus is the best Toyota, yet enough
buyers chose the Camry for it value to make it the number on
selling car in the US. Same can be said for the Ford F150 #1
seller in America for 27 years, the Explorer the best selling
midsize SUV for 16 years, the Escape best selling small SUV for 4
years, Crown Vic, Focus, Econoline etc., value for the dollar
that what smart buys want the best value for their money. ;)
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Hans
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:08 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Do you mean to say you don't think the number one selling car in
the US, the Camry, is not a good value. Something does not get to
be number one unless buyers think of it as a good value. I thing
Toyota makes great cars. What are you doing here if you don't
like Toyotas anyway? ;)
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Scott in Florida
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:34 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:08:23 GMT, "Hans" <hans@nowhere.nowhere> wrote:
| Quote: | Do you mean to say you don't think the number one selling car in
the US, the Camry, is not a good value. Something does not get to
be number one unless buyers think of it as a good value. I thing
Toyota makes great cars. What are you doing here if you don't
like Toyotas anyway? ;)
Looks like I got involved into flame wars with Ford trolls...
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'Mike' comes with a flame...
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HachiRoku
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:01:49 -0500, C. E. White wrote:
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HachiRoku wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:37 +0000, Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the mall
all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good mileage
figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of course I
haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left out the
engine.
Hey, Art, haven't really seen one yet? Big, but not like the Crown Vic,
Bigger than a Taurus, sorta ugly, and a cheap interior. For should have
put a little more into it before releasing it. Also, check the price.
I have been in a 500 and, I can't imagine anyone in a Toyota
newsgroup calling the 500's interior cheap. It is far more
attractive than any Camry I've ever been in. And the price
was astonishingly low - of course since I was shopping for a
truck, almost all cars seem to be dirt cheap.
Ed
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Relative, Ed. I don't pay $30,000 for Toyotas....yet. I would expect that
for that money the dash should be a lot better than what I've been reading
about in the Ragazines. Perhaps they had an early production model and
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HachiRoku
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:05:00 +0000, Hans wrote:
| Quote: | What are you doing here in Toyota newsgroups? You'd better go to
alt.autos.ford to praise these marvels of engineering.
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Hey, I have to admit, Ford has come a Loooong way since the late
70's/early 80's. We sell a lot of Fords, and I really like them. We had a
Sable, and I was really considering selling the Tercel to buy it, it was
so nice. It had 58,000 miles and we were asking $3750. A friend bought it
for $3200 and loves it. Then I woke up, and sold the Tercel to get the
money to buy the Supra! ;)
If I couldn't get a Corolla or a Camry, I'd gladly buy an Escort (um,
isn't that mostly Mazda?) or a Taurus/Sable (3.0 litre only, of course)
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MajorDomo@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:419922DA.125590DB@mailcity.com...
The certainly do, it is called VALUE. Otherwise we would all buy
Rolls Royce cars. Buyers by Fords because they know value when
they see it. Surely the Lexus is the best Toyota, yet enough
buyers chose the Camry for it value to make it the number on
selling car in the US. Same can be said for the Ford F150 #1
seller in America for 27 years, the Explorer the best selling
midsize SUV for 16 years, the Escape best selling small SUV for 4
years, Crown Vic, Focus, Econoline etc., value for the dollar
that what smart buys want the best value for their money. ;)
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HachiRoku
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:27:47 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:32:58 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:52:23 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:34:00 GMT, "Art"
begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
I saw one at the mall but the doors were locked. Interior looked quite nice
in leather from the outside thru the window. Plenty of room too. I thought
the exterior looked fine though plain. Certainly nicer than a typical
Toyota Camry.
LOL...
Maybe in your eyes...
But you like the Crapsler 300!!!
Now that is one ugly piece of iron...
Uh, you mean the 2005 Checker Marathon?
The 'beauty' of a Marathon...is that you can get in/out easily...
Just like a London Taxi...
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I believe I told the story of seeing a Marathon, all decked out (opera
lighting, etc) in a supermarket parking lot in Pittsfield, MA and
discovering it belonged to Arlo Guthrie...
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"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:37 +0000, Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the
mall
all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good mileage
figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of course I
haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left out the
engine.
Hey, Art, haven't really seen one yet? Big, but not like the Crown Vic,
Bigger than a Taurus, sorta ugly, and a cheap interior. For should have
put a little more into it before releasing it. Also, check the price.
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Scott in Florida
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Art
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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To be more specific:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/09/pf/autos/dissappointing_best_new_cars/index.htm
It doesn't say that Ford thinks the engine is weak and noisy. It does say
that they are adjusting production.
"Eric Dreher" <ericd@cox.nét> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:47:39 -0500, MajorDomo@mailcity.com wrote:
I can only assume you have not driven a 500, if you believe that
it is under powered.
Listen carefully, Mike. It's FORD that is making the decision
to do a re-motor on the model. It's FORD that has decided it's
too noisy and under-powered.
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"Eric Dreher" <ericd@cox.nét> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:47:39 -0500, MajorDomo@mailcity.com wrote:
I can only assume you have not driven a 500, if you believe that
it is under powered.
Listen carefully, Mike. It's FORD that is making the decision
to do a re-motor on the model. It's FORD that has decided it's
too noisy and under-powered.
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Eric Dreher
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:47:39 -0500, MajorDomo@mailcity.com wrote:
| Quote: | I can only assume you have not driven a 500, if you believe that
it is under powered.
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Listen carefully, Mike. It's FORD that is making the decision
to do a re-motor on the model. It's FORD that has decided it's
too noisy and under-powered.
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