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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:34:00 GMT, "Art"
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I saw one at the mall but the doors were locked. Interior looked quite
nice
in leather from the outside thru the window. Plenty of room too. I
thought
the exterior looked fine though plain. Certainly nicer than a typical
Toyota Camry.
LOL...
Maybe in your eyes...
But you like the Crapsler 300!!!
Now that is one ugly piece of iron...
Maybe so but they cannot build enuf 300C's to keep any on the lot. They are |
about to double production.
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"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:37 +0000, Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the
mall
all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good
mileage
figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of course
I
haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left out the
engine.
Hey, Art, haven't really seen one yet? Big, but not like the Crown Vic,
Bigger than a Taurus, sorta ugly, and a cheap interior. For should have
put a little more into it before releasing it. Also, check the price.
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Eric Dreher
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:31:00 -0500, MikeHunt@lycos.com wrote:
| Quote: | According to "Automotive News," sales of the 500 are exceeding
Ford expectations as are the sales of the new
Mustang. Dealers are getting over MSRP in some markets
for Mustangs. One dealer says "My customers are coming in for
service, upon seeing the Mustang they are going home with new
cars, its 1964 all over again it seems"
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That may be, but Ford is still changing the engine.
And THAT isn't going to make happy campers of those who've
already purchased their 500's.
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Art
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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I saw one at the mall but the doors were locked. Interior looked quite nice
in leather from the outside thru the window. Plenty of room too. I thought
the exterior looked fine though plain. Certainly nicer than a typical
Toyota Camry.
"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:37 +0000, Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the
mall
all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good mileage
figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of course I
haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left out the
engine.
Hey, Art, haven't really seen one yet? Big, but not like the Crown Vic,
Bigger than a Taurus, sorta ugly, and a cheap interior. For should have
put a little more into it before releasing it. Also, check the price. |
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Art
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:41 am Post subject:
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"MDT Tech®" <GOP_Majority@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the
mall all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good
mileage figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of
course I haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left
out the engine.
LOL< Art, I rememebr you saying the same crap about the Mopig Pacifica.
Now it apprears sales are so slow, it may even be scrapped.
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Actually it got off to a slow start because they built only $40k versions
initially. Now it is selling reasonably well. Needs a hemi. |
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject:
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In article <56Wld.17141$Gm6.186@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Eric Dreher" <ericd@cox.nét> wrote in message
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On 14 Nov 2004 02:56:30 GMT, "TeGGer®"
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> sprach im
news:Z1zld.15675$Gm6.10897@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like
a winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at
the mall all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and
good mileage figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice
job. Of course I haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe
they left out the engine.
I saw a guy drive up in a white one today. Looked remarkably like that
small Lincoln they've got. Good looking car, for sure.
When I see the appellation "500", I keep thinking of my Dad's
1970 Custom 500, which was a very different beast.
The 500 is already being "sent back" for a new engine. It seems that
the public isn't willing to put up with its lack of power, and
extreme noise level.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/09/pf/autos/dissappointing_best_new_cars/index.
htm
205 hp with the 6 speed or CVT should be enuf when you get 21/29 mpg in a
full size car at $2+ per gallon gas. It is not a race car. I've done a
bunch of searches and I haven't found any engine noise complaints except for
the first prototype test drive.
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I get 20/28 MPG on my 4500 lb Sienna and it goes like bat out of hell.
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Art
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It is Avalon size. The last time I saw a high option Avalon sticker it was
over $35k.
"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:37 +0000, Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the
mall
all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good mileage
figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of course I
haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left out the
engine.
Let's see, Art. All optioned up? From what I've read, that brings it up to
$32,000. A Camry all optioned up costs about $27,000 or less (if you tell
the dealer you'll help him make 'quota') and, um, WON'T fall apart. Oh,
yeah...the Ford is underpowered for its size, too.
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Art
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
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We are talking official epa figures. Not your personal driving results.
EPA is 19/26 for current Sienna.
<diei@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <56Wld.17141$Gm6.186@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Eric Dreher" <ericd@cox.nét> wrote in message
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On 14 Nov 2004 02:56:30 GMT, "TeGGer®"
teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> sprach im
news:Z1zld.15675$Gm6.10897@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like
a winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at
the mall all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and
good mileage figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice
job. Of course I haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet.
Maybe
they left out the engine.
I saw a guy drive up in a white one today. Looked remarkably like that
small Lincoln they've got. Good looking car, for sure.
When I see the appellation "500", I keep thinking of my Dad's
1970 Custom 500, which was a very different beast.
The 500 is already being "sent back" for a new engine. It seems that
the public isn't willing to put up with its lack of power, and
extreme noise level.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/09/pf/autos/dissappointing_best_new_cars/index.
htm
205 hp with the 6 speed or CVT should be enuf when you get 21/29 mpg in a
full size car at $2+ per gallon gas. It is not a race car. I've done a
bunch of searches and I haven't found any engine noise complaints except
for
the first prototype test drive.
I get 20/28 MPG on my 4500 lb Sienna and it goes like bat out of hell.
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
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In article <hK3md.17433$Gm6.1723@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
| Quote: | We are talking official epa figures. Not your personal driving results.
EPA is 19/26 for current Sienna.
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Whatever. For 2 MPG I'll take my Sienna.
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B. Peg
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
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I've always liked Ford's styling.
It's just that their engines and powertrains that are crap.
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Scott in Florida
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:32:58 GMT, HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:52:23 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:34:00 GMT, "Art"
begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
I saw one at the mall but the doors were locked. Interior looked quite nice
in leather from the outside thru the window. Plenty of room too. I thought
the exterior looked fine though plain. Certainly nicer than a typical
Toyota Camry.
LOL...
Maybe in your eyes...
But you like the Crapsler 300!!!
Now that is one ugly piece of iron...
Uh, you mean the 2005 Checker Marathon?
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The 'beauty' of a Marathon...is that you can get in/out easily...
Just like a London Taxi...
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"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:37 +0000, Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the
mall
all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good mileage
figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of course I
haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left out the
engine.
Hey, Art, haven't really seen one yet? Big, but not like the Crown Vic,
Bigger than a Taurus, sorta ugly, and a cheap interior. For should have
put a little more into it before releasing it. Also, check the price.
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C. E. White
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:57 pm Post subject:
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Eric Dreher wrote:
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:31:00 -0500, MikeHunt@lycos.com wrote:
According to "Automotive News," sales of the 500 are exceeding
Ford expectations as are the sales of the new
Mustang. Dealers are getting over MSRP in some markets
for Mustangs. One dealer says "My customers are coming in for
service, upon seeing the Mustang they are going home with new
cars, its 1964 all over again it seems"
That may be, but Ford is still changing the engine.
And THAT isn't going to make happy campers of those who've
already purchased their 500's.
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Why so? Toyota has changed Camry engines numerous times.
Most Camry owners I know don't seem to mind. Are you
implying that Ford owners are better informed and a more
dicerning group than Toyota owners?
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C. E. White
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:01 pm Post subject:
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HachiRoku wrote:
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:37 +0000, Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the mall
all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good mileage
figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of course I
haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left out the
engine.
Hey, Art, haven't really seen one yet? Big, but not like the Crown Vic,
Bigger than a Taurus, sorta ugly, and a cheap interior. For should have
put a little more into it before releasing it. Also, check the price.
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I have been in a 500 and, I can't imagine anyone in a Toyota
newsgroup calling the 500's interior cheap. It is far more
attractive than any Camry I've ever been in. And the price
was astonishingly low - of course since I was shopping for a
truck, almost all cars seem to be dirt cheap.
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C. E. White
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:03 pm Post subject:
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HachiRoku wrote:
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:37 +0000, Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the mall
all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good mileage
figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of course I
haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left out the
engine.
Let's see, Art. All optioned up? From what I've read, that brings it up to
$32,000. A Camry all optioned up costs about $27,000 or less (if you tell
the dealer you'll help him make 'quota') and, um, WON'T fall apart. Oh,
yeah...the Ford is underpowered for its size, too.
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And a 4cylinder Camry is a drag car? The 500 has within 7 hp
of the Avalon, for a lot less money.
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:05 pm Post subject:
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"B. Peg" wrote:
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I've always liked Ford's styling.
It's just that their engines and powertrains that are crap.
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Well my parents have owned nothing but Fords since 1957, and
they never had an engine or transmission failure. I only
wish I could have said the same for the Toyocrap I owned.
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Scott in Florida
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:01:49 -0500, "C. E. White"
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HachiRoku wrote:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 02:03:37 +0000, Art wrote:
Well if it doesn't fall apart in 6 months the new Ford 500 looks like a
winner. But for Ford that is a big "if". They had one sitting at the mall
all optioned up. Very reasonable price, gorgeous inside and good mileage
figures. Like I said, if it holds up they did one nice job. Of course I
haven't had the opportunity to drive one yet. Maybe they left out the
engine.
Hey, Art, haven't really seen one yet? Big, but not like the Crown Vic,
Bigger than a Taurus, sorta ugly, and a cheap interior. For should have
put a little more into it before releasing it. Also, check the price.
I have been in a 500 and, I can't imagine anyone in a Toyota
newsgroup calling the 500's interior cheap. It is far more
attractive than any Camry I've ever been in. And the price
was astonishingly low - of course since I was shopping for a
truck, almost all cars seem to be dirt cheap.
Ed
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