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HachiRoku
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Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:42 am Post subject:
Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota |
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Because there are some sharp techs in .toyota (right, tegger,mdt?)
Anyway, here's the deal: 1992 Plymouth Grand Voyager, 3.3 litre, AWD, all
power, etc. Great body, AWD works, really good shape, 122,000 miles. Now,
the problem. Makes a very loud ticking sound from the top of the cylinder
bank nearest the firewall. If you listen to Car Talk, you know the sound
(Click and Clack, but VERY loud). Guy says he's been driving it for 12,000
miles this way. Engine runs strong. My mechanic won't work on Chryslers,
says this can be involved. Has anyone had this problem, can tell me what
it is, and what I'm looking at to fix it. Other than this, the van is Very
Good. Hopefully, it won't break the bank to fix it.
Alternately: For Sale, 1992 Plymouth Gran Voyager, 122,000 miles good
shape needs engine work, $800....
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maxpower
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Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject:
Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota |
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Well, it sounds like a bad lifter or the oil galley is stopped up and is
getting ready to break the rocker arm mount, common problem with this engine
if the oil changes are neglected
Glenn beasley
Chrysler Tech
"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Because there are some sharp techs in .toyota (right, tegger,mdt?)
Anyway, here's the deal: 1992 Plymouth Grand Voyager, 3.3 litre, AWD, all
power, etc. Great body, AWD works, really good shape, 122,000 miles. Now,
the problem. Makes a very loud ticking sound from the top of the cylinder
bank nearest the firewall. If you listen to Car Talk, you know the sound
(Click and Clack, but VERY loud). Guy says he's been driving it for 12,000
miles this way. Engine runs strong. My mechanic won't work on Chryslers,
says this can be involved. Has anyone had this problem, can tell me what
it is, and what I'm looking at to fix it. Other than this, the van is Very
Good. Hopefully, it won't break the bank to fix it.
Alternately: For Sale, 1992 Plymouth Gran Voyager, 122,000 miles good
shape needs engine work, $800.... |
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HachiRoku
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Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:31 am Post subject:
Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota |
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:25:07 -0500, maxpower wrote:
| Quote: | Well, it sounds like a bad lifter or the oil galley is stopped up and is
getting ready to break the rocker arm mount, common problem with this engine
if the oil changes are neglected
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First guess was a bad lifter. Nobody I know wants to have a look!(One tech
just laffed at me, chuckling "Chrysler" as he did!)
Is there a quick fix? Like I said the guy I got it from said it's been
doing it for 12,000 miles!
| Quote: | Glenn beasley
Chrysler Tech
"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:bweld.2154$b73.1007@trndny04...
Because there are some sharp techs in .toyota (right, tegger,mdt?)
Anyway, here's the deal: 1992 Plymouth Grand Voyager, 3.3 litre, AWD, all
power, etc. Great body, AWD works, really good shape, 122,000 miles. Now,
the problem. Makes a very loud ticking sound from the top of the cylinder
bank nearest the firewall. If you listen to Car Talk, you know the sound
(Click and Clack, but VERY loud). Guy says he's been driving it for 12,000
miles this way. Engine runs strong. My mechanic won't work on Chryslers,
says this can be involved. Has anyone had this problem, can tell me what
it is, and what I'm looking at to fix it. Other than this, the van is Very
Good. Hopefully, it won't break the bank to fix it.
Alternately: For Sale, 1992 Plymouth Gran Voyager, 122,000 miles good
shape needs engine work, $800.... |
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TeGGer®
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Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:31 am Post subject:
Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota |
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Agree with maxpower. Valve lifter problem here. Ever had the valve covers
off? How much sludge?
It should be pretty easy to isolate the noise to one of the valve covers
with a stethoscope. Pull it off and check it out.
Don't know specifically this engine, but some engines carry oil to the
valve train through tubular lines. If you have hydraulic lifters (a
favorite of American manufacturers), similar problems. Sludge either of
those up and your valve train is starved for oil. Only a matter of time
then before something breaks. And you don't wanna know what that would cost
to fix...
--TeGGeR®
"maxpower" <gjbeasley@comcast.net> sprach im
news:bMGdnTQrpJcAYAjcRVn-uQ@comcast.com:
| Quote: | Well, it sounds like a bad lifter or the oil galley is stopped up and
is getting ready to break the rocker arm mount, common problem with
this engine if the oil changes are neglected
Glenn beasley
Chrysler Tech
"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:bweld.2154$b73.1007@trndny04...
Because there are some sharp techs in .toyota (right, tegger,mdt?)
Anyway, here's the deal: 1992 Plymouth Grand Voyager, 3.3 litre, AWD,
all power, etc. Great body, AWD works, really good shape, 122,000
miles. Now, the problem. Makes a very loud ticking sound from the top
of the cylinder bank nearest the firewall. If you listen to Car Talk,
you know the sound (Click and Clack, but VERY loud). Guy says he's
been driving it for 12,000 miles this way. Engine runs strong. My
mechanic won't work on Chryslers, says this can be involved. Has
anyone had this problem, can tell me what it is, and what I'm looking
at to fix it. Other than this, the van is Very Good. Hopefully, it
won't break the bank to fix it. |
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HachiRoku
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Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:49 am Post subject:
Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota |
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:45:55 +0000, TeGGer® wrote:
| Quote: | Agree with maxpower. Valve lifter problem here. Ever had the valve covers
off? How much sludge?
It should be pretty easy to isolate the noise to one of the valve covers
with a stethoscope. Pull it off and check it out.
Don't know specifically this engine, but some engines carry oil to the
valve train through tubular lines. If you have hydraulic lifters (a
favorite of American manufacturers), similar problems. Sludge either of
those up and your valve train is starved for oil. Only a matter of time
then before something breaks. And you don't wanna know what that would cost
to fix...
--TeGGeR®
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Oh, I don't need a stethoscope, you can hear it loud and clear; cylinder
bank closest to the firewall, to the right of center. Ok, I'll ask you:
any way to fix it easily, or at least hold of major damage for a few
thousand miles? I'm only going to be driving it about 7,000 a year, would
like to get a couple years out of it (although the body is SOLID! and it
doesn't have the usual Chrysler tranny problems...)
Of course, it's the cylinder bank that you have to remove the intake
plenum for, it couldn't be the front...
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"maxpower" <gjbeasley@comcast.net> sprach im
news:bMGdnTQrpJcAYAjcRVn-uQ@comcast.com:
Well, it sounds like a bad lifter or the oil galley is stopped up and
is getting ready to break the rocker arm mount, common problem with
this engine if the oil changes are neglected
Glenn beasley
Chrysler Tech
"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:bweld.2154$b73.1007@trndny04...
Because there are some sharp techs in .toyota (right, tegger,mdt?)
Anyway, here's the deal: 1992 Plymouth Grand Voyager, 3.3 litre, AWD,
all power, etc. Great body, AWD works, really good shape, 122,000
miles. Now, the problem. Makes a very loud ticking sound from the top
of the cylinder bank nearest the firewall. If you listen to Car Talk,
you know the sound (Click and Clack, but VERY loud). Guy says he's
been driving it for 12,000 miles this way. Engine runs strong. My
mechanic won't work on Chryslers, says this can be involved. Has
anyone had this problem, can tell me what it is, and what I'm looking
at to fix it. Other than this, the van is Very Good. Hopefully, it
won't break the bank to fix it. |
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ma_twain
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Sun Nov 14, 2004 5:40 pm Post subject:
Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota |
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TeGGer® wrote:
| Quote: | Agree with maxpower. Valve lifter problem here. Ever had the valve covers
off? How much sludge?
It should be pretty easy to isolate the noise to one of the valve covers
with a stethoscope. Pull it off and check it out.
Don't know specifically this engine, but some engines carry oil to the
valve train through tubular lines. If you have hydraulic lifters (a
favorite of American manufacturers), similar problems. Sludge either of
those up and your valve train is starved for oil. Only a matter of time
then before something breaks. And you don't wanna know what that would cost
to fix...
--TeGGeR®
"maxpower" <gjbeasley@comcast.net> sprach im
news:bMGdnTQrpJcAYAjcRVn-uQ@comcast.com:
Well, it sounds like a bad lifter or the oil galley is stopped up and
is getting ready to break the rocker arm mount, common problem with
this engine if the oil changes are neglected
Glenn beasley
Chrysler Tech
"HachiRoku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:bweld.2154$b73.1007@trndny04...
Because there are some sharp techs in .toyota (right, tegger,mdt?)
Anyway, here's the deal: 1992 Plymouth Grand Voyager, 3.3 litre, AWD,
all power, etc. Great body, AWD works, really good shape, 122,000
miles. Now, the problem. Makes a very loud ticking sound from the top
of the cylinder bank nearest the firewall. If you listen to Car Talk,
you know the sound (Click and Clack, but VERY loud). Guy says he's
been driving it for 12,000 miles this way. Engine runs strong. My
mechanic won't work on Chryslers, says this can be involved. Has
anyone had this problem, can tell me what it is, and what I'm looking
at to fix it. Other than this, the van is Very Good. Hopefully, it
won't break the bank to fix it.
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Didn't CB rant and rave about this before her Toyota crusade? I guess
she didn't change the oil in her Chrysler either :-) |
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TeGGer®
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Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:39 am Post subject:
Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota |
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HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> sprach im news:PtBld.1323$063.362@trndny03:
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Oh, I don't need a stethoscope, you can hear it loud and clear;
cylinder bank closest to the firewall, to the right of center. Ok,
I'll ask you: any way to fix it easily, or at least hold of major
damage for a few thousand miles?
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Probably not. If the oil feed is impaired, your valve train will wreck
itself in short order.
Keep an eye on the oil. If is starts to show silvery streaks, major damage
has already occurred.
| Quote: | I'm only going to be driving it about
7,000 a year, would like to get a couple years out of it
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Won't get that if the valve train is starved of oil.
| Quote: | body is SOLID! and it doesn't have the usual Chrysler tranny
problems...)
Of course, it's the cylinder bank that you have to remove the intake
plenum for, it couldn't be the front...
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Pull the front cover. If there's sludge in that, there's sludge in the
other.
Is this a pushrod or OHC motor? If it's OHC, it's possible there is an oil
feed rail that can be unbolted and cleaned out. Again, I don't know if this
engine has hydraulic lifters or not.
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HachiRoku
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Engine Question, 3.3, crossed to a.a.toyota |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:39:10 +0000, TeGGer® wrote:
| Quote: | HachiRoku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> sprach im news:PtBld.1323$063.362@trndny03:
Oh, I don't need a stethoscope, you can hear it loud and clear;
cylinder bank closest to the firewall, to the right of center. Ok,
I'll ask you: any way to fix it easily, or at least hold of major
damage for a few thousand miles?
Probably not. If the oil feed is impaired, your valve train will wreck
itself in short order.
Keep an eye on the oil. If is starts to show silvery streaks, major damage
has already occurred.
I'm only going to be driving it about
7,000 a year, would like to get a couple years out of it
Won't get that if the valve train is starved of oil.
body is SOLID! and it doesn't have the usual Chrysler tranny
problems...)
Of course, it's the cylinder bank that you have to remove the intake
plenum for, it couldn't be the front...
Pull the front cover. If there's sludge in that, there's sludge in the
other.
Is this a pushrod or OHC motor? If it's OHC, it's possible there is an oil
feed rail that can be unbolted and cleaned out. Again, I don't know if this
engine has hydraulic lifters or not.
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Oooh, he don't know me very well. He'll find out. When somebody asks me,
is it the good one or the bad one, it's *always* the bad one! Of course
it's pushrod (hmmmm..interesting...I've been told the engine has a timing
belt...) and that they are notorius for having bad rockers. Maybe I'll
luck out and it'll just be a rocker going bad...but I doubt it.
I called a guy I know who's a Chrysler guy, he has two of them I was
scavaging parts off for the last one I had (gave it back to the guy who
gave it to me, he decided he needed it after all...229,000 and ran like a
watch :( ) The only 3.3 he had was flood damaged and seized, otherwise
"...I'd just give it to you..." |
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