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Kent Finnell
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:47 am Post subject:
Re: 2006 - 303 HP V8 Returns Impala/Monte Carlo SS. |
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"Rutger6559" <rutger6559@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:12:42 GMT, "shiden_kai"
violet_lightening_modified@hotmail.com> wrote:
Rutger6559 wrote:
The catch is (and there always seems to be a catch lately with GM) is
that these engines will have the wonderful cylinder deactivation
feature to improve mpg.
GAH!!!!
Didn't they learn anything from those 4-6-8 Caddies in the late 70's
or early 80's?? That was a serious debacle, IIRC!
Totally different, what they will be doing with the modern engines
as compared to what they did with the old Cadillac engines. I doubt
that most people will even be able to tell when the engine switches
between modes.
Thanks, Ian, that's encouraging to hear. But like the Sgt asked, do
you have any info/links to explain exactly how it's different? Not
that I don't believe you, of course. Just like the Sgt I'm merely
curious.
I'm not sure how it's different either, but Honda is using a version in its |
new Accord V6 hybrid. At full throttle it out performs the standard Accord
V6. Under reasonable, non-lead-footing, conditions it is supposed to get
the same gas mileage as the 4 cylinder standard Civic.
Honda and GM are doing a lot of engineering project sharing. IIRC, a
modified version of the Honda V6 in used in the Vue.
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Kent Finnell
From the Music City USA
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Perfect Reign
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:43 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:21:14 -0600, someone posing as Harry Face chisled in
the wall:
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Both 2006 Impala & Monte will remain FWD.
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So sad.
I drove one the other day, while looking for a car. (Ended up buying a V6
VUE.) It just wasn't the same. I really miss RWD.
One of my managers has a '96 SS. Now there's a nice car!
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kai - perfectreign at yahoo dot com
www.perfectreign.com
In fact I have been blown up ridiculously often, shot at, insulted,
regularly disintegrated, deprived of tea, and recently I crashed into a
swamp and had to spend five years in a damp cave.
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James C. Reeves
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:20 am Post subject:
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I believe that the "displacement-on-demand" technology has improved quite a
bit since.
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Harry Face
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:53 am Post subject:
Re: 2006 - 303 HP V8 Returns Impala/Monte Carlo SS.--RICK |
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Rick,
Yes, I'm looking forward to the Chicago Auto Show next month. The 2006
Impala SS should be there, if it was at the LA show. I'm trying to play
psychic so I can determine what day will draw the least amount of
kiddies. At least Lincolns birdthday falls on a Saturday so there's one
extra day during the week that won't be over run with kids.
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Harryface
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1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE
3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey
_~_~_~297,626 miles_~_~_
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~~~The Former Fleet ~~~
89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible
78 Holiday 88 coupe
68 LeSabre convertible
73 Impala sedan |
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Full_Name
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:53 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:47:31 -0600, "Kent Finnell"
<kentfinn@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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curious.
I'm not sure how it's different either, but Honda is using a version in its
new Accord V6 hybrid. At full throttle it out performs the standard Accord
V6. Under reasonable, non-lead-footing, conditions it is supposed to get
the same gas mileage as the 4 cylinder standard Civic.
Honda and GM are doing a lot of engineering project sharing. IIRC, a
modified version of the Honda V6 in used in the Vue.
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I believe that this is where Ford/GM needs to move. A 100 HP high
efficiency engine for economy with a 400 HP Electric on demand engine
for the 2-5 x per day when you need to get from dead stop to fast lane
on the highway in under 4 seconds or for those towing situations where
the power is needed.
I think the new Accord might just convince the US market that Hybrids
can be usable vehicles for normal people.
Just imagine how quiet a Caddy could be with neck snapping
acceleration provided by electric motors at each wheel.
Whee ! |
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shiden_kai
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:53 am Post subject:
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Rutger6559 wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks, Ian, that's encouraging to hear. But like the Sgt asked, do
you have any info/links to explain exactly how it's different? Not
that I don't believe you, of course. Just like the Sgt I'm merely
curious.
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My bad....see my response to Sarge.
Ian |
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shiden_kai
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Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:53 am Post subject:
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SgtSilicon wrote:
| Quote: | How is it totally different? Sounds very much similar. Of course
it's all in the details, and that's why I'm asking.
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Sarge, you are right....I spoke a bit too soon. I don't have all
the details, but it will use cylinder de-activation at the lifters, not
at the rocker arms like the Cadillac's used. So the concept is
going to be similiar, but I suspect that the execution will be much
better because of the better computer technology.
Here....I did a little searching and came up with this article. Answers
all your questions and mine.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/hardcore/0405phr_gmdod/
Ian |
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Bret Chase
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:05 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:25:48 -0500, Full_Name <Email@address.com>
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| Quote: | :|On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:47:31 -0600, "Kent Finnell"
:|<kentfinn@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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:|><snip
:|>> curious.
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:|>I'm not sure how it's different either, but Honda is using a version in its
:|>new Accord V6 hybrid. At full throttle it out performs the standard Accord
:|>V6. Under reasonable, non-lead-footing, conditions it is supposed to get
:|>the same gas mileage as the 4 cylinder standard Civic.
:|
:|>Honda and GM are doing a lot of engineering project sharing. IIRC, a
:|>modified version of the Honda V6 in used in the Vue.
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:|I believe that this is where Ford/GM needs to move. A 100 HP high
:|efficiency engine for economy with a 400 HP Electric on demand engine
:|for the 2-5 x per day when you need to get from dead stop to fast lane
:|on the highway in under 4 seconds or for those towing situations where
:|the power is needed.
:|
:|I think the new Accord might just convince the US market that Hybrids
:|can be usable vehicles for normal people.
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:|Just imagine how quiet a Caddy could be with neck snapping
:|acceleration provided by electric motors at each wheel.
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:|Whee !
have you ever seen a 400hp electric motor? I have and they weigh |
about the same as an entire Honda Accord. The ecavation company we
use has a 250HP motor on one of their crushers... it weighs about 3500
lbs. never mind that they put out about1400 lbs ft or torque at 0
rpm.. great for some serious axle snapping and frame bending.
-Bret |
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Rutger6559
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:35 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:57:46 GMT, "shiden_kai"
<violet_lightening_modified@hotmail.com> wrote:
Many thanks, Ian! Great article, and I never would have found it on
my own.
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SgtSilicon
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:44 am Post subject:
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Thanks Ian. I'll check that out. I'm sure technology has improved
the whole deal because I haven't heard too much bad press on the
Hemi's that are doing it.
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:57:46 GMT, "shiden_kai"
<violet_lightening_modified@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | SgtSilicon wrote:
How is it totally different? Sounds very much similar. Of course
it's all in the details, and that's why I'm asking.
Sarge, you are right....I spoke a bit too soon. I don't have all
the details, but it will use cylinder de-activation at the lifters, not
at the rocker arms like the Cadillac's used. So the concept is
going to be similiar, but I suspect that the execution will be much
better because of the better computer technology.
Here....I did a little searching and came up with this article. Answers
all your questions and mine.
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/hardcore/0405phr_gmdod/
Ian
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Full_Name
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:29 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:05:43 -0500, Bret Chase <nunya@business.net>
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| Quote: | On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:25:48 -0500, Full_Name <Email@address.com
wrote:
:|On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:47:31 -0600, "Kent Finnell"
:|<kentfinn@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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:|><snip
:|>> curious.
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:|>I'm not sure how it's different either, but Honda is using a version in its
:|>new Accord V6 hybrid. At full throttle it out performs the standard Accord
:|>V6. Under reasonable, non-lead-footing, conditions it is supposed to get
:|>the same gas mileage as the 4 cylinder standard Civic.
:|
:|>Honda and GM are doing a lot of engineering project sharing. IIRC, a
:|>modified version of the Honda V6 in used in the Vue.
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:|I believe that this is where Ford/GM needs to move. A 100 HP high
:|efficiency engine for economy with a 400 HP Electric on demand engine
:|for the 2-5 x per day when you need to get from dead stop to fast lane
:|on the highway in under 4 seconds or for those towing situations where
:|the power is needed.
:|
:|I think the new Accord might just convince the US market that Hybrids
:|can be usable vehicles for normal people.
:|
:|Just imagine how quiet a Caddy could be with neck snapping
:|acceleration provided by electric motors at each wheel.
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:|Whee !
have you ever seen a 400hp electric motor? I have and they weigh
about the same as an entire Honda Accord. The ecavation company we
use has a 250HP motor on one of their crushers... it weighs about 3500
lbs. never mind that they put out about1400 lbs ft or torque at 0
rpm.. great for some serious axle snapping and frame bending.
-Bret
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I've seen a few very high efficiency 100 HP electric motors when I did
my Eng in the UK that were very compact for their power output.
My train of thought was 4 x 100 HP. Regenerative braking, blinding
acceleration, minimal drive train loss.... What more could one ask
for?
But I'd imagine that 1 400 HP unit with a heavy frame would also work. |
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Collector Car Central
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Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:53 am Post subject:
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"James C. Reeves" <jcnospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:AfydnTSAB6_QvX7cRVn-
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"Brad Clarke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Take a look at this and say it's not Lumina-esque :)
http://www.gminsidenews.com/impala.jpg
I can see it a little bit.
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Sadly it looks more like a plumped Altima. GM, get with the program! I am
a lifelong GM fan, but they need to get some cutting edge design going.
Where the heck is Harley Earl when you need him?
CCC
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