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jereme
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Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:27 am Post subject:
any 928 owners out there |
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Nearly as soon as I got rid of my 944 I wanted another Porsche but had
3 cars already at the time. I have since sold them all except for the
winter car and am looking for another Porsche. I have been looking at
944 turbos and a few 944S2's but read a post on the 928 and am now
leaning that way.
Is this car as that bad to work on compared to any other Porsche or
are parts so difficult to find the cost is tremendous. Are there
certain years or options to look for/avoid?
Any help greatly appreciated.
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Bernard Farquart
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Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:32 am Post subject:
Re: any 928 owners out there |
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"jereme" <all-year@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:e69de3d5.0410192127.64cabba1@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Nearly as soon as I got rid of my 944 I wanted another Porsche but had
3 cars already at the time. I have since sold them all except for the
winter car and am looking for another Porsche. I have been looking at
944 turbos and a few 944S2's but read a post on the 928 and am now
leaning that way.
Is this car as that bad to work on compared to any other Porsche or
are parts so difficult to find the cost is tremendous. Are there
certain years or options to look for/avoid?
Any help greatly appreciated.
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If you are paying someone to work on it, they are outrageously
expensive. I got a 1984 928, and it had records that added up
to over 50,000 spent over twelve years. Thankfully it meant that
it had been really well maintained, so lucky me, but you need to
be able to do the work yourself, or not worry about such things.
I do the work myself, and it is not as hard as people make it
out to be. I have replaced the timing belt, after it slipped.Most
information stated that the engine would have damage if the timing
slips 5 degrees. I had 30 degrees slip on one cam, and no damage.
I am in the middle of the torque tube replacement, I discovered
that my 300.00 O2 sensor was bad, the torque tube is 500.00
plus a 300.00 core, but I am going to pull the bearing out and
replace them myself (cost of bearings 35. each times 3)
Tune ups are not cheap, the cap is 85.00 wires 300.00
the alternator was 185.00 when I had to swap it out.
So what I am saying is it can go either way, I have done a bunch
of other maintenance type stuff (Brakes rotors, tune up etc..) and
the parts are not cheap, but you have to keep in mind, these were
wicked expensive cars when new, so parts are wicked expensive:)
As far as what to get, everyone says get the newest you can afford.
I say get the best condition you can afford. I got the last year of the
two cam motor, so I gave up some horsepower compared to the
next year, but I got a really good example, even though it has alot of
miles, it was well maintained.
I recommend them. You just have to roll your sleeves up and
work on it when it breaks, don't expect to be treated well by
a shop.
Bernard |
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Paul Spencer
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Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:46 pm Post subject:
Re: any 928 owners out there |
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:32:47 GMT, "Bernard Farquart"
<bernardfarquart@hotmail.delete.com> wrote:
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"jereme" <all-year@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:e69de3d5.0410192127.64cabba1@posting.google.com...
I have been looking at
944 turbos and a few 944S2's but read a post on the 928 and am now
leaning that way.
Is this car as that bad to work on compared to any other Porsche or
are parts so difficult to find the cost is tremendous. Are there
certain years or options to look for/avoid?
Any help greatly appreciated.
If you are paying someone to work on it, they are outrageously
expensive.
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I had a 1989 S4. I had someone else working on it (not a Porsche main
dealer) and the price was not bad. But then, I rarely needed anything
more than a basic service.
Bernard mentions the cam belt. This is a 60,000 mile service item and
pretty expensive (or time consuming if you do it yourself), some say
replace it earlier. I got the previous owner to have it done as part
of the sale.
| Quote: | I have replaced the timing belt, after it slipped.Most
information stated that the engine would have damage if the timing
slips 5 degrees. I had 30 degrees slip on one cam, and no damage.
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I believe that this is true for the quad cam motor. You got away with
it because the valves won't hit the pistons on the two cam motor.
| Quote: | As far as what to get, everyone says get the newest you can afford.
I say get the best condition you can afford.
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That's good advice. Again, received wisdom is to go for the S4 or GTS
if you can. Apart from the GTS (which gets extra power), autos are
more desireable than manuals.
These are great cars. I had mine for six years (from 5 years old to 11
years old) and regret selling it when I did. After a slight mistake in
between, I now have a Boxster S, which is also great. They are very
different cars, but it is not obvious that the Boxster is "better".
One thing to consider on the 928 - it is much faster than the 0-60
implies. On the S4, 0-60 is quoted at about 6 seconds. But second gear
(on the auto) gives a maximum of around 80 mph. With lower gearing, it
would give a far better 0-60 time, but the gearing it has is far
better for the real world. Floor the throttle to overtake at 50 and
you are in second all the way to 80, which gets you past another car
"very" fast. Handling is also good. The car is not as heavy as it
looks because of all the aluminium.
So that's two views for you. Bernard did most of the work himself, I
got a specialist to do most of it. Neither seems to have regretted
buying a 928.
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P
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E Brown
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Wed Oct 20, 2004 12:58 pm Post subject:
Re: any 928 owners out there |
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On 19 Oct 2004 22:27:30 -0700, all-year@rocketmail.com (jereme) wrote:
| Quote: | Is this car as that bad to work on compared to any other Porsche or
are parts so difficult to find the cost is tremendous. Are there
certain years or options to look for/avoid?
Any help greatly appreciated.
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I'm with Bernard - if you're paying someone to work on a 928, you
just as well buy a Ferrari: maintenance will be the same, and the car
will be worth more at the end of the day. But if you are willing to
work on it yourself, you'll get Ferrari-beating performance for 1/10th
the cost.
I'd say that the earliest 928s are to be avoided - buggy and not
much bang for your buck. The 83 and 84 are the best of the 16-valve
motors and breaking your timing belt won't result in ruining your top
end, but with 240 bhp on tap these are supercars only in the context
of the early 80s.
The best bang for the buck, but trickier to buy, is the Euro 928S.
It's a higher compression 16-valve engine so it is as simple to work
on as the pre-85 US cars but with 300 bhp it's almost as fast as the
more complicated 32-valve cars (post-85). It may not pass emissions in
some places, and can be difficult to insure.
Then come the 32-valve cars: outright supercars, capable of keeping
up with lots of high-performance cars made today, nearly 10 years
after they ceased production.* The 32-valve cars are more complex and
harder to work on, but they're the 2nd best performance value among
old Porsches after the 944 Turbo.
Emanuel
* (Two raced in the Laguna Seca GT World Challenge this past
Sunday, with 996 twin turbos, Corvette Z06s, Dodge Vipers, and other
modern, factory supported supercars. One came in 18th -out of 34-
beating a couple of Viper Competition Coupes and a Volvo S60R. They
were the oldest cars to qualify.)
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1983 Porsche 911 Guards Red/Black
1983 Porsche 944 Guards Red/Black
1983 Porsche 928 Guards Red/Black |
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Steve
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Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:16 pm Post subject:
Re: any 928 owners out there |
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Jereme.....Try
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/forumdisplay.php?f=69
You will find some very well informed shark drivers and all kinds of tech
help. Good Luck!!
Steve
"jereme" <all-year@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:e69de3d5.0410192127.64cabba1@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Nearly as soon as I got rid of my 944 I wanted another Porsche but had
3 cars already at the time. I have since sold them all except for the
winter car and am looking for another Porsche. I have been looking at
944 turbos and a few 944S2's but read a post on the 928 and am now
leaning that way.
Is this car as that bad to work on compared to any other Porsche or
are parts so difficult to find the cost is tremendous. Are there
certain years or options to look for/avoid?
Any help greatly appreciated. |
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David Schultz
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Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:47 am Post subject:
Re: any 928 owners out there |
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:46:44 +0100, Paul Spencer <ps@boynings.co.uk>
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| Quote: | " autos are more desireable than manuals. "
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I agreed with quite a bit of the rest of what you said, but in the US,
the manuals (especially on S4 & newer) command quite a premium.
ex 1987 928 S4 5spd
current 1983 euro 928 S 5spd
current 1993 911 C4
ex (if I ever get around to selling it) 1997 BMW Z3 2.8 5spd |
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Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:53 am Post subject:
Re: any 928 owners out there |
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Getting a lot of advice on this. Some of it bad.
298s are not more expensive than other Porsches until you have to have
major service. The wear parts are comparable to other Porsches. Things
like brake pads, belts and hoses, tune-up parts are around the same.
The 928 came officially to the US with six different engines. Then there
are the grey market cars of which there are a surpising number. Search
the web for more descriptions. Here are some ideas:
'78-79 has low power and but with the CIS injection system are cheaper
and easier to work on.
'80-84 US models are the bottom with full, finicky L-jetronic FI and not
much power
'85-'86 are the first 32 valves but look like the older cars
'87 and later are "S4" cars with a different 32 valve engine and later
styling.
Then there is the "86.5" and the GT and GTS models.
I recommend finding 30K and getting a GTS. :)
Or take 5K and get a nice older car.
The key is how much you have to spend and whether you want to work on
it. Emphasis there is on "want to." The Porsche mechanics charge the
same for each book hour so you're not particularly screwed by a 928. It
can be harder to find a mechanic that knows them. This make them very
popular with guys who can and want to do it themselves and,
consequently, there are a lot of resources on-line to help. |
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Paul Spencer
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:40 pm Post subject:
Re: any 928 owners out there |
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:47:13 GMT, david.schultz@comcast.net (David
Schultz) wrote:
| Quote: | " autos are more desireable than manuals. "
I agreed with quite a bit of the rest of what you said, but in the US,
the manuals (especially on S4 & newer) command quite a premium.
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OK. I was quoting "received wisdom" in the UK. USA could well be
different.
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