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TURTLE
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:00 am Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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"Dan_Musicant" <dmusicant@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:2cadt0h1c7pc9prj3ui5dtk271kpvf93vh@4ax.com...
| Quote: | OK, this is off topic for alt.home.repair but I can't resist putting it
in my crosspost, there's so many canny folks who check out that NG, and
I know almost all of them drive.
I was chatting with my auto mechanic the other day and I asked him if he
thought all gas was pretty much the same these days - an idea I'd been
encountering. He didn't agree at all.
Now I guess I should say that I have no connections with the petroleum
industry of any kind, none in the auto industry either, or any other
industry associated in any way with gasoline.
He said his truck was running sluggishly and he put in a tank of 76 high
octane and could hardly believe the difference it made. Suddenly the
truck ran smoothly. He said he has a lot of evidence that he and other
people are getting very significantly better mileage since switching to
76. I guess that's 76 Union, unless they've changed their name.
I asked him if he had any experience with their regular gas, and he
couldn't really say, it seemed.
I thought I'd throw this out there and see what other people think.
Myself, I've been using the cheapest regular I can find, usually from
Costco, or a station I know where they sell pretty cheap if you give
them cash. I drive less than 2000/year with my two cars, so it isn't a
giant deal for me, but more mileage and smoother performance would be
reason enough for me to switch to a recommended brand.
Dan
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This is Turtle.
I have been down this road on gas for my company trucks for years and came up
with two things to do and you will do fine with fuel.
1) look in the book that come with the auto and get the Octane Rated gas your
suppose to be burning. Then when going to gas up Get that octane rated fuel only
for your auto is designed to burn that octane fuel. The ratings will be from 86
to 93 octane ratings. Us the one the auto maker say for your computor on the
auto is set to burn that octane fuel. I have my truck that are to be burninmg 87
octane fuel. I can put 93 octane fuel and it seems I get worst mileage than with
87 octane fuel. Now the newer model have a sencer to adjust the fuel flow rate
to the engine to take care of 93 in a 87 octane car but it will take a 1/2 tank
or so for your computor to get use to the higher octane fuel. Pick out the
octane rating your auto should be using from the book in the auto and use it.
2) Alway buy your gas at stations that move a lot of fuel to not get old gas
sitting in the tanks for too long and start to degrade. Gas will be very poor if
left in a tank for 18 months and need rerefining of it.
Tell your Mechanic to go read his book for his auto on what octane fuel he
should be burning and he will solve his problem with fuel.
Now 20+ years ago Amoco had White Gas and others has regular leaded gas. This
white gas was better but when regulation and unleaded gas come along. The white
gas was history. Your Mechanic has these left over thoughts of this era and I
still have them but they are just thoughts now a days.
When all else fails Read the instructions.
TURTLE
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TURTLE
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:18 am Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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"Dan_Musicant" <man@privacy.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:09:34 -0500, "Don Phillipson"
d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> wrote:
:"Dan_Musicant" <dmusicant@pacbell.net> wrote in message
:news:2cadt0h1c7pc9prj3ui5dtk271kpvf93vh@4ax.com...
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:> I was chatting with my auto mechanic the other day and I asked him if he
:> thought all gas was pretty much the same these days - an idea I'd been
:> encountering. He didn't agree at all.
:
:Did he tell you about
:1. Octane levels
:2. Leaded vs. lead-free gasoline
:3. Additives e.g. MMT
:4. Supplementary mixed fuels e.g. alcohol ?
:Most pumps are labeled for what they contain in all
:four respects.
No, we didn't talk about all that. I'm in California and I don't think
they're selling leaded gasoline. We do have additives and the CA
standards are different from most of the USA, making the gas a fair
amount more expensive, probably in the neighborhood of 10%. Gasohol is
starting to take off, at least in some places I guess. Can most cars
burn gasohol? I should take the time to read the pumps, like you say.
I want to die calm and peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not
kicking and screaming like the passengers of his car.
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This is Turtle Again.
*** Octane Burns to make the car run good.
*** Additive clean and fix problems.
*** Yes Gasohol is different but it has a octane rating as the same as not.
Alcohol is a very good fuel to burn for if you will check up here on the fuel
the cars in the Indy 500 are using. You will find out they use pure Alcohol
burning of the fuel. They don't use gas because you can get more power out of
Alcohol fuel than unleaded gas. All the high speed or drag racer prefer Pure
Alcohol over unleaded gas. So if it is me, Give me 90% Alcohol and 10% gas and
get more power and mileage. Now check your book in the auto to see about burning
Alcohol fuel and it will tell you about it.
When all else fails , Read the instructions.
TURTLE |
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Rod Speed
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:49 am Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Dan_Musicant" <man@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:nbfdt0tqukf1k2ama378j2h6t63hh94nru@4ax.com...
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:09:34 -0500, "Don Phillipson"
d.phillipson@ttrryytteell.com> wrote:
:"Dan_Musicant" <dmusicant@pacbell.net> wrote in message
:news:2cadt0h1c7pc9prj3ui5dtk271kpvf93vh@4ax.com...
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:> I was chatting with my auto mechanic the other day and I asked him if he
:> thought all gas was pretty much the same these days - an idea I'd been
:> encountering. He didn't agree at all.
:
:Did he tell you about
:1. Octane levels
:2. Leaded vs. lead-free gasoline
:3. Additives e.g. MMT
:4. Supplementary mixed fuels e.g. alcohol ?
:Most pumps are labeled for what they contain in all
:four respects.
No, we didn't talk about all that. I'm in California and I don't think
they're selling leaded gasoline. We do have additives and the CA
standards are different from most of the USA, making the gas a fair
amount more expensive, probably in the neighborhood of 10%. Gasohol is
starting to take off, at least in some places I guess. Can most cars
burn gasohol? I should take the time to read the pumps, like you say.
I want to die calm and peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not
kicking and screaming like the passengers of his car.
This is Turtle Again.
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Rather pathetic, really.
| Quote: | *** Octane Burns to make the car run good.
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Rather pathetic, really.
| Quote: | *** Additive clean and fix problems.
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Rather pathetic, really.
| Quote: | *** Yes Gasohol is different but it has a octane rating as the same as not.
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Rather pathetic, really.
| Quote: | Alcohol is a very good fuel to burn for if you will check up here on the fuel
the cars in the Indy 500 are using. You will find out they use pure Alcohol
burning of the fuel.
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Pity they are very different engines, and its different alcohol too.
| Quote: | They don't use gas because you can get more power out of Alcohol fuel than
unleaded gas.
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Rather pathetic, really.
| Quote: | All the high speed or drag racer prefer Pure Alcohol over unleaded gas. So if
it is me, Give me 90% Alcohol and 10% gas and get more power and mileage.
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Rather pathetic, really.
Pity about the price.
| Quote: | Now check your book in the auto to see about burning Alcohol fuel and it will
tell you about it.
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Rather pathetic, really.
| Quote: | When all else fails , Read the instructions.
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Rather pathetic, really.
Rather pathetic, really.
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Oscar_Lives
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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Use only top tier gas: http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html
"Dan_Musicant" <dmusicant@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:2cadt0h1c7pc9prj3ui5dtk271kpvf93vh@4ax.com...
| Quote: | OK, this is off topic for alt.home.repair but I can't resist putting it
in my crosspost, there's so many canny folks who check out that NG, and
I know almost all of them drive.
I was chatting with my auto mechanic the other day and I asked him if he
thought all gas was pretty much the same these days - an idea I'd been
encountering. He didn't agree at all.
Now I guess I should say that I have no connections with the petroleum
industry of any kind, none in the auto industry either, or any other
industry associated in any way with gasoline.
He said his truck was running sluggishly and he put in a tank of 76 high
octane and could hardly believe the difference it made. Suddenly the
truck ran smoothly. He said he has a lot of evidence that he and other
people are getting very significantly better mileage since switching to
76. I guess that's 76 Union, unless they've changed their name.
I asked him if he had any experience with their regular gas, and he
couldn't really say, it seemed.
I thought I'd throw this out there and see what other people think.
Myself, I've been using the cheapest regular I can find, usually from
Costco, or a station I know where they sell pretty cheap if you give
them cash. I drive less than 2000/year with my two cars, so it isn't a
giant deal for me, but more mileage and smoother performance would be
reason enough for me to switch to a recommended brand.
Dan |
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:49 am Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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Don Klipstein wrote:
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In article <33ra9hF42e27cU1@individual.net>, TURTLE wrote:
SNIP
This is Turtle Again.
*** Octane Burns to make the car run good.
*** Additive clean and fix problems.
*** Yes Gasohol is different but it has a octane rating as the same as not.
Alcohol is a very good fuel to burn for if you will check up here on the fuel
the cars in the Indy 500 are using. You will find out they use pure Alcohol
burning of the fuel. They don't use gas because you can get more power out of
Alcohol fuel than unleaded gas. All the high speed or drag racer prefer Pure
Alcohol over unleaded gas. So if it is me, Give me 90% Alcohol and 10% gas and
get more power and mileage.
Actually, alcohol has such a high octane rating that race car engines
designed to burn it have a higher compression ratio.
Excuse me, that's the point of the higher octane. Ethanol has *less* |
energy per gallon than gasoline. This means that per gallon, you should
pay *less* for it. My rule is two or three cents.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy. |
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Dominique Cormann
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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In article <41D8EFF5.603D0DCF@backpacker.com>, stderr2@backpacker.com
says...
| Quote: | Excuse me, that's the point of the higher octane. Ethanol has *less*
energy per gallon than gasoline. This means that per gallon, you should
pay *less* for it. My rule is two or three cents.
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Since the ethanol costs more to produce then gasoline, the prices goes
up not down.
Whether you think its a good value for what you get is a different
matter.
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|~|) |~~| http://kozmik.guelph.on.ca |
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:06 am Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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Dominique Cormann wrote:
| Quote: |
In article <41D8EFF5.603D0DCF@backpacker.com>, stderr2@backpacker.com
says...
Excuse me, that's the point of the higher octane. Ethanol has *less*
energy per gallon than gasoline. This means that per gallon, you should
pay *less* for it. My rule is two or three cents.
Since the ethanol costs more to produce then gasoline, the prices goes
up not down.
No, I mean if you are buying the product, you should discount it for |
having ethanol in it because ethanol has less energy per gallon than
gasoline. I know it costs more to produce and is available at
competitive price points only due to tax subsidies to companies such as
ADM.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy. |
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TURTLE
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| Posted:
Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com>
wrote in message news:41D8EFF5.603D0DCF@backpacker.com...
| Quote: |
Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <33ra9hF42e27cU1@individual.net>, TURTLE wrote:
SNIP
This is Turtle Again.
*** Octane Burns to make the car run good.
*** Additive clean and fix problems.
*** Yes Gasohol is different but it has a octane rating as the same as not.
Alcohol is a very good fuel to burn for if you will check up here on the
fuel
the cars in the Indy 500 are using. You will find out they use pure Alcohol
burning of the fuel. They don't use gas because you can get more power out
of
Alcohol fuel than unleaded gas. All the high speed or drag racer prefer Pure
Alcohol over unleaded gas. So if it is me, Give me 90% Alcohol and 10% gas
and
get more power and mileage.
Actually, alcohol has such a high octane rating that race car engines
designed to burn it have a higher compression ratio.
Excuse me, that's the point of the higher octane. Ethanol has *less*
energy per gallon than gasoline. This means that per gallon, you should
pay *less* for it. My rule is two or three cents.
|
This is Turtle.
You forgot that the U.S. Government has octane rating and this covers everything
you say and burniability of the fuel. 87 Octane Gasohol or 87 Octane Gas have
the same burniability as each other. If it was not the same it would have a less
or more of a Octane rating on it.
TURTLE |
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Rod Speed
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:33uihkF4375vbU1@individual.net...
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"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )"
stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:41D8EFF5.603D0DCF@backpacker.com...
Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <33ra9hF42e27cU1@individual.net>, TURTLE wrote:
SNIP
This is Turtle Again.
*** Octane Burns to make the car run good.
*** Additive clean and fix problems.
*** Yes Gasohol is different but it has a octane rating as the same as not.
Alcohol is a very good fuel to burn for if you will check up here on the
fuel
the cars in the Indy 500 are using. You will find out they use pure Alcohol
burning of the fuel. They don't use gas because you can get more power out
of
Alcohol fuel than unleaded gas. All the high speed or drag racer prefer
Pure
Alcohol over unleaded gas. So if it is me, Give me 90% Alcohol and 10% gas
and
get more power and mileage.
Actually, alcohol has such a high octane rating that race car engines
designed to burn it have a higher compression ratio.
Excuse me, that's the point of the higher octane. Ethanol has *less*
energy per gallon than gasoline. This means that per gallon, you should
pay *less* for it. My rule is two or three cents.
This is Turtle.
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Rather pathetic, really.
| Quote: | You forgot that the U.S. Government has octane rating and this covers
everything you say and burniability of the fuel.
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Its more complicated than that.
| Quote: | 87 Octane Gasohol or 87 Octane Gas have the same burniability as each other.
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More complicated than that too.
| Quote: | If it was not the same it would have a less or more of a Octane rating on it.
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More complicated than that too.
Rather pathetic, really. |
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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TURTLE wrote:
| Quote: |
"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com
wrote in message news:41D8EFF5.603D0DCF@backpacker.com...
Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <33ra9hF42e27cU1@individual.net>, TURTLE wrote:
SNIP
This is Turtle Again.
*** Octane Burns to make the car run good.
*** Additive clean and fix problems.
*** Yes Gasohol is different but it has a octane rating as the same as not.
Alcohol is a very good fuel to burn for if you will check up here on the
fuel
the cars in the Indy 500 are using. You will find out they use pure Alcohol
burning of the fuel. They don't use gas because you can get more power out
of
Alcohol fuel than unleaded gas. All the high speed or drag racer prefer Pure
Alcohol over unleaded gas. So if it is me, Give me 90% Alcohol and 10% gas
and
get more power and mileage.
Actually, alcohol has such a high octane rating that race car engines
designed to burn it have a higher compression ratio.
Excuse me, that's the point of the higher octane. Ethanol has *less*
energy per gallon than gasoline. This means that per gallon, you should
pay *less* for it. My rule is two or three cents.
This is Turtle.
You forgot that the U.S. Government has octane rating and this covers everything
you say and burniability of the fuel. 87 Octane Gasohol or 87 Octane Gas have
the same burniability as each other. If it was not the same it would have a less
or more of a Octane rating on it.
I didn't forget that they sell gasoline with a specific octane rating. |
Octane rating has nothing to do with the energy in the fuel. Ethanol has
less energy per gallon than gasoline therefore you are getting less
energy per gallon and should therefore not be willing to pay as much as
you pay if you are buying all gasoline. You might, of course, choose the
gasohol because you wanted to cheaply get the water out of your tank or
because you think that other additives used to raise octane are a danger
to the environment, but at least then you are making a choice based on
something other than a misguided look at volumes.
--
Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy. |
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TURTLE
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:49 am Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )" <stderr2@backpacker.com>
wrote in message news:41DA222E.15CA5AC3@backpacker.com...
| Quote: |
TURTLE wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )"
stderr2@backpacker.com
wrote in message news:41D8EFF5.603D0DCF@backpacker.com...
Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <33ra9hF42e27cU1@individual.net>, TURTLE wrote:
SNIP
This is Turtle Again.
*** Octane Burns to make the car run good.
*** Additive clean and fix problems.
*** Yes Gasohol is different but it has a octane rating as the same as
not.
Alcohol is a very good fuel to burn for if you will check up here on the
fuel
the cars in the Indy 500 are using. You will find out they use pure
Alcohol
burning of the fuel. They don't use gas because you can get more power
out
of
Alcohol fuel than unleaded gas. All the high speed or drag racer prefer
Pure
Alcohol over unleaded gas. So if it is me, Give me 90% Alcohol and 10%
gas
and
get more power and mileage.
Actually, alcohol has such a high octane rating that race car engines
designed to burn it have a higher compression ratio.
Excuse me, that's the point of the higher octane. Ethanol has *less*
energy per gallon than gasoline. This means that per gallon, you should
pay *less* for it. My rule is two or three cents.
This is Turtle.
You forgot that the U.S. Government has octane rating and this covers
everything
you say and burniability of the fuel. 87 Octane Gasohol or 87 Octane Gas have
the same burniability as each other. If it was not the same it would have a
less
or more of a Octane rating on it.
I didn't forget that they sell gasoline with a specific octane rating.
Octane rating has nothing to do with the energy in the fuel. Ethanol has
less energy per gallon than gasoline therefore you are getting less
energy per gallon and should therefore not be willing to pay as much as
you pay if you are buying all gasoline. You might, of course, choose the
gasohol because you wanted to cheaply get the water out of your tank or
because you think that other additives used to raise octane are a danger
to the environment, but at least then you are making a choice based on
something other than a misguided look at volumes.
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This is Turtle.
I like your theory on Octane rating being different for Gasohaol and regular gas
and you need to discuss this with the DOT of your state and have them change the
Octane rating to reflect the less power from Alcohol gas than regular unleaded
gas. I think they would be interesed in your theory here.
TURTLE |
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Rod Speed
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:02 pm Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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"TURTLE" <turtle4aire@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:33uqrnF3vp0f9U1@individual.net...
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"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )"
stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:41DA222E.15CA5AC3@backpacker.com...
TURTLE wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( ``And the Lamb lies down on Broadway'' )"
stderr2@backpacker.com
wrote in message news:41D8EFF5.603D0DCF@backpacker.com...
Don Klipstein wrote:
In article <33ra9hF42e27cU1@individual.net>, TURTLE wrote:
SNIP
This is Turtle Again.
*** Octane Burns to make the car run good.
*** Additive clean and fix problems.
*** Yes Gasohol is different but it has a octane rating as the same as
not.
Alcohol is a very good fuel to burn for if you will check up here on the
fuel
the cars in the Indy 500 are using. You will find out they use pure
Alcohol
burning of the fuel. They don't use gas because you can get more power
out
of
Alcohol fuel than unleaded gas. All the high speed or drag racer prefer
Pure
Alcohol over unleaded gas. So if it is me, Give me 90% Alcohol and 10%
gas
and
get more power and mileage.
Actually, alcohol has such a high octane rating that race car engines
designed to burn it have a higher compression ratio.
Excuse me, that's the point of the higher octane. Ethanol has *less*
energy per gallon than gasoline. This means that per gallon, you should
pay *less* for it. My rule is two or three cents.
This is Turtle.
You forgot that the U.S. Government has octane rating and this covers
everything
you say and burniability of the fuel. 87 Octane Gasohol or 87 Octane Gas
have
the same burniability as each other. If it was not the same it would have a
less
or more of a Octane rating on it.
I didn't forget that they sell gasoline with a specific octane rating.
Octane rating has nothing to do with the energy in the fuel. Ethanol has
less energy per gallon than gasoline therefore you are getting less
energy per gallon and should therefore not be willing to pay as much as
you pay if you are buying all gasoline. You might, of course, choose the
gasohol because you wanted to cheaply get the water out of your tank or
because you think that other additives used to raise octane are a danger
to the environment, but at least then you are making a choice based on
something other than a misguided look at volumes.
This is Turtle.
|
Rather pathetic, really.
| Quote: | I like your theory on Octane rating being different for Gasohaol and regular
gas and you need to discuss this with the DOT of your state and have them
change the Octane rating to reflect the less power from Alcohol gas than
regular unleaded gas. I think they would be interesed in your theory here.
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Nope, they realise what he said is correct.
The octane rating has nothing to do with the
energy content. Its about what compression
ratio it can be used at without predetonation etc.
Rather pathetic, really. |
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Dominique Cormann
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| Posted:
Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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In article <33uqrnF3vp0f9U1@individual.net>, turtle4aire@bellsouth.net
says...
| Quote: | This is Turtle.
I like your theory on Octane rating being different for Gasohaol and regular gas
and you need to discuss this with the DOT of your state and have them change the
Octane rating to reflect the less power from Alcohol gas than regular unleaded
gas. I think they would be interesed in your theory here.
TURTLE
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You need to look up what octane means.
It is the resistance to ignition value. It is NOT the amount of energy
per volume.
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o |~> Dominique Cormann
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|~|) |~~| http://kozmik.guelph.on.ca |
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Duane Bozarth
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Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject:
Re: Gas |
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TURTLE wrote:
....
| Quote: | You forgot that the U.S. Government has octane rating and this covers
everything
you say and burniability of the fuel. 87 Octane Gasohol or 87 Octane Gas have
the same burniability as each other. If it was not the same it would have a
less
or more of a Octane rating on it.
....
I like your theory on Octane rating being different for Gasohaol and regular gas
and you need to discuss this with the DOT of your state and have them change the
Octane rating to reflect the less power from Alcohol gas than regular unleaded
gas. I think they would be interesed in your theory here.
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Turtle, better check some more on what octane rating <really> is...it is
<not> a measure of the specific energy of the fuel...there is no rating
of "burniability" even if there were such a word...
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/octane.htm |
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Bill Bonde ( ``And the La
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Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:55 am Post subject:
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Duane Bozarth wrote:
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TURTLE wrote:
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You forgot that the U.S. Government has octane rating and this covers
everything
you say and burniability of the fuel. 87 Octane Gasohol or 87 Octane Gas have
the same burniability as each other. If it was not the same it would have a
less
or more of a Octane rating on it.
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I like your theory on Octane rating being different for Gasohaol and regular gas
and you need to discuss this with the DOT of your state and have them change the
Octane rating to reflect the less power from Alcohol gas than regular unleaded
gas. I think they would be interesed in your theory here.
Turtle, better check some more on what octane rating <really> is...it is
not> a measure of the specific energy of the fuel...there is no rating
of "burniability" even if there were such a word...
Octane is a hydrocarbon with a nominal 'octane rating' of 100 which |
various gasoline blends are compared to. Ethanol has a higher octane
rating than the blends alone but a lower potential energy, so when
buying on octane rating, the ethanol blend has less potential energy and
therefore value, so it should be discounted.
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Personally, I believe that 9/11 should have taught us the lesson that we
can't let these countries simmer endlessly in disillusionment without
doing something about it because people become susceptible to delusional
ideas and delusional actions. Iraq, in my view, is but the first of many
efforts, certainly not all military, to remake the very face of the
world as constitutional representative democracy. |
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