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DAS
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Sat May 07, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject:
Re: 71 911T will not turn over... |
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Did some more testing today... Found everything below to be ok... Put a
test light on the solenoid and had someone turn the key, did not see power
to the second post... The first post has power all the time. Is there an
easy way to test the ignition switch? I looked under the dash and the
ignition switch has a bundle of wires that pin plug that plugs into the back
of the dash through to the hood. How do you test the ignition switch to
the solenoid?
"Steve Hall" <steven_h@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%Blbe.25103$5F3.5000@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
| Quote: | I had exactly the same problem with my 930,
1. make sure the battery terminals are tightened up and not just finger
tight
2. check the electrical connection to the starter; if the nut on the
large positive lead is not tight you will get this problem.
3. Did you replace the bolts on the clutch pressure plate? If you did
they may be a a bit long and preventing the flywheel from turning.
4. Pull the plugs and see if you can turn the engine over by hand
5. See if the starter will turn the engine over without the plugs in
6. Try a fresh battery.
7. If the starter does not click I would suspect the starter solenoid,
check the lectrical connection to it and make sure you have not swapped
them over. You can remove the starter from the transmission and see if it
turns when you turn the key. (You neet to have it chassis grounded)
Thats all I can think of, my problem was a combination of 2 and 3.
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:8tydncZkZoGRKPbfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
Checked the earth strap... it is connected and in tact. Any other
suggestions?
"Steve Hall" <steven_h@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:DAJae.22253$5F3.17683@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
I would check the earth strap from the transmission to the chasssis, if
this is broken or corroded the starter will not turn as the engine and
transmission will be eletrically isolated from the rest of the vehicle.
It would match your symptoms.
Steve
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:FPCdnSlVjuA8mvrfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
I'm desperate... Any help would be greatly appreciated... Thanks.
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:I72dnV1LF5tj7fnfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
Could a bad CD box make the starter not turn over? I had an issue
where on warm up the car would load up and I'd have to pull over...
It happened and I tapped on the CD box because I replaced all the
cheap easy stuff and that was the next place to start... Not sure if
it is related, but now when I turn the key, nothing happens. The
batteries are new and charged. I hear the fuel pump and the CD box
does whistle, but nothing further - starter does not click or turn...
What can I test? How can I test the CD box? Any information would be
great... Thanks.
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jk
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Sun May 08, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject:
Re: 71 911T will not turn over... |
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I had this problem on my 71 911T. It was the ignition switch. I put a small
microswitch just under the dash knee pad and tapped into the wires, as
opposed to replacing the whole ignition switch. I did it so long ago I
forgot how I tested for the problem then, I probably took the connector off
the back of the switch and tested the terminals using the schematic.
My friend had this same problem on his 73 911T. It turned out to be a
corroded connector on the left side of the engine compartment where the
engine wire harness plugs in. This would be another good place to check for
voltage when the key is turned. I also seem to remember that there is
single, possibly yellow wire, accessible from inside the trunk, just on the
other side of the firewall from the key switch area. It has an inline spade
connector and I believe this carries the voltage from the start switch to
the engine connector. Check that it is not disconnected or check for voltage
there. Or put voltage there and see if it cranks.
jk
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:-YWcnd0V6LXjUeHfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
| Quote: | Did some more testing today... Found everything below to be ok... Put
a test light on the solenoid and had someone turn the key, did not see
power to the second post... The first post has power all the time. Is
there an easy way to test the ignition switch? I looked under the dash
and the ignition switch has a bundle of wires that pin plug that plugs
into the back of the dash through to the hood. How do you test the
ignition switch to the solenoid?
"Steve Hall" <steven_h@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%Blbe.25103$5F3.5000@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
I had exactly the same problem with my 930,
1. make sure the battery terminals are tightened up and not just
finger tight
2. check the electrical connection to the starter; if the nut on the
large positive lead is not tight you will get this problem.
3. Did you replace the bolts on the clutch pressure plate? If you did
they may be a a bit long and preventing the flywheel from turning.
4. Pull the plugs and see if you can turn the engine over by hand
5. See if the starter will turn the engine over without the plugs in
6. Try a fresh battery.
7. If the starter does not click I would suspect the starter solenoid,
check the lectrical connection to it and make sure you have not swapped
them over. You can remove the starter from the transmission and see if it
turns when you turn the key. (You neet to have it chassis grounded)
Thats all I can think of, my problem was a combination of 2 and 3.
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:8tydncZkZoGRKPbfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
Checked the earth strap... it is connected and in tact. Any other
suggestions?
"Steve Hall" <steven_h@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:DAJae.22253$5F3.17683@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
I would check the earth strap from the transmission to the chasssis, if
this is broken or corroded the starter will not turn as the engine and
transmission will be eletrically isolated from the rest of the vehicle.
It would match your symptoms.
Steve
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:FPCdnSlVjuA8mvrfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
I'm desperate... Any help would be greatly appreciated... Thanks.
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:I72dnV1LF5tj7fnfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
Could a bad CD box make the starter not turn over? I had an issue
where on warm up the car would load up and I'd have to pull over...
It happened and I tapped on the CD box because I replaced all the
cheap easy stuff and that was the next place to start... Not sure if
it is related, but now when I turn the key, nothing happens. The
batteries are new and charged. I hear the fuel pump and the CD box
does whistle, but nothing further - starter does not click or turn...
What can I test? How can I test the CD box? Any information would
be great... Thanks.
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DAS
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Mon May 09, 2005 5:23 am Post subject:
Re: 71 911T will not turn over... |
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Thanks for the info, I look further. I really need to get this working so
I can take it to the 2005 Porsche Parade in Hershey PA - this is only 20
minutes from my house -I'm very lucky this year!!! Any additional
comments, even if just suggestions, would be greatly appreciated. Thank
you.
"jk" <imjkallday@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3Ljfe.1218$Fn1.419@trnddc03...
| Quote: | I had this problem on my 71 911T. It was the ignition switch. I put a small
microswitch just under the dash knee pad and tapped into the wires, as
opposed to replacing the whole ignition switch. I did it so long ago I
forgot how I tested for the problem then, I probably took the connector off
the back of the switch and tested the terminals using the schematic.
My friend had this same problem on his 73 911T. It turned out to be a
corroded connector on the left side of the engine compartment where the
engine wire harness plugs in. This would be another good place to check
for voltage when the key is turned. I also seem to remember that there is
single, possibly yellow wire, accessible from inside the trunk, just on
the other side of the firewall from the key switch area. It has an inline
spade connector and I believe this carries the voltage from the start
switch to the engine connector. Check that it is not disconnected or check
for voltage there. Or put voltage there and see if it cranks.
jk
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:-YWcnd0V6LXjUeHfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
Did some more testing today... Found everything below to be ok... Put
a test light on the solenoid and had someone turn the key, did not see
power to the second post... The first post has power all the time. Is
there an easy way to test the ignition switch? I looked under the dash
and the ignition switch has a bundle of wires that pin plug that plugs
into the back of the dash through to the hood. How do you test the
ignition switch to the solenoid?
"Steve Hall" <steven_h@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%Blbe.25103$5F3.5000@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
I had exactly the same problem with my 930,
1. make sure the battery terminals are tightened up and not just
finger tight
2. check the electrical connection to the starter; if the nut on the
large positive lead is not tight you will get this problem.
3. Did you replace the bolts on the clutch pressure plate? If you did
they may be a a bit long and preventing the flywheel from turning.
4. Pull the plugs and see if you can turn the engine over by hand
5. See if the starter will turn the engine over without the plugs in
6. Try a fresh battery.
7. If the starter does not click I would suspect the starter
solenoid, check the lectrical connection to it and make sure you have
not swapped them over. You can remove the starter from the transmission
and see if it turns when you turn the key. (You neet to have it chassis
grounded)
Thats all I can think of, my problem was a combination of 2 and 3.
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:8tydncZkZoGRKPbfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
Checked the earth strap... it is connected and in tact. Any other
suggestions?
"Steve Hall" <steven_h@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:DAJae.22253$5F3.17683@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
I would check the earth strap from the transmission to the chasssis, if
this is broken or corroded the starter will not turn as the engine and
transmission will be eletrically isolated from the rest of the vehicle.
It would match your symptoms.
Steve
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:FPCdnSlVjuA8mvrfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
I'm desperate... Any help would be greatly appreciated... Thanks.
"DAS" <dshaff@ptdprolog.net> wrote in message
news:I72dnV1LF5tj7fnfUSdV9g@ptd.net...
Could a bad CD box make the starter not turn over? I had an issue
where on warm up the car would load up and I'd have to pull over...
It happened and I tapped on the CD box because I replaced all the
cheap easy stuff and that was the next place to start... Not sure
if it is related, but now when I turn the key, nothing happens. The
batteries are new and charged. I hear the fuel pump and the CD box
does whistle, but nothing further - starter does not click or
turn...
What can I test? How can I test the CD box? Any information would
be great... Thanks.
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Low Life #3
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:08 pm Post subject:
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"D.D. Palmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BKadnWxK4YlCSkPfRVn-3w@comcast.com...
: "Renault enthusiast" is an oxymoron!
we had a Clio 1.2L for over 10 years, and it was fine, economical, and
reliable transportation, 'couse your bumm went numb after an hour. |
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Jack D. Russell, Sr.
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:41 pm Post subject:
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* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <jackru$$ell2@notmail.com>
* Newsgroup: alt.autos.peugeot.sucks,alt.autos.porsche,alt.autos.rod-n-custom,alt.autos.sport.nhra,alt.autos.sport.rally,alt.autos.studebaker,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.ford.bronco,alt.auto.ferrari,alt.autos.dodge.truck
* Reply to: All; "StingRay" <StingRay@Vette.com>
* Date:Thu, 21 Jul 2005 05:36:50 -0500
* Subj: Re: Are you a Renault owner, driver or enthusiast looking for an online forum or community
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S>LMAO!!! That would be akin to being an "AMC Pacer enthusiast"!
S>"D.D. Palmer" <ddpalmer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
S>news:BKadnWxK4YlCSkPfRVn-3w@comcast.com...
| Quote: | "Renault enthusiast" is an oxymoron!
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(Cross postings removed.)
Really. Wonder if they're all SPAMMERS, or just the particular enthusiast that's cross-posted this to all of these unrelated groups.
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tranch
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Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject:
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"StingRay" <StingRay@Vette.com> wrote in message
news:Kd-dnQMRxaqsikLfRVn-jw@rogers.com...
| Quote: | LMAO!!! That would be akin to being an "AMC Pacer enthusiast"!
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Puhleeeeese! You're insulting the Pacer people!!!! How many
"enthusiasts" are still driving their "LeCar!?" |
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just me
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject:
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| How about a Yugo group?? |
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Sleeker GT Phwoar
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Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject:
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In article <Or6dnZvtdfSoZH3fRVn-tQ@comcast.com>, prime4@comcast.net
says...
| Quote: | How about a Yugo group??
Skoda? |
I would sign. At least the engine used to be at the right end.
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Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com |
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The Dead Senator
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:41 am Post subject:
Re: What's up with the 95-96 993 Prices? |
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Chris wrote:
| Quote: | I'm looking to buy one and I can't figure out what is a good price for
one. The prices are all over the place.
You see 100K+ mile cars for $22-35K then you see 30K mile cars for the
same price range. What do the dealers give for one of these as a trade in?
I'm looking to buy a southern 95-96 993, No Sault Queens Please!
Silver, Black or White with Black or Grey Interior. 6sp with about 60K
miles, one or two owner well taken care of with no problems, Original
paint no repairs no dings. Anyone out there have one for sale near Florida
Thanks, Chris
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Check http://www.rennlist.com and http://www.pca.org (though I do not
think you can check the PCA classifieds without an account...
....yep. But my search for 993s with < 75k miles shows 27 hits, so you
should prolly get an account.
1 1996 35000 993 $50000 07/15/2004 —
Details
3.8L RSR motor built by AASCO, S-Car-Go headers, JRZ 3-ways, Big Reds,
ABS, 2 sets Kinesis wheels, 1 set 996 Turbo Twists for rains, Halon fire
system, Matter cage, GT2 bodywork (fiber and carbon), Sparco seat, Fuel
Safe 27 gallon fuel cell, and more. Top-10 finishes at Pueblo, Hallett,
and TWS. The car was serviced 02/2005 and the JRZs rebuilt. It's ready
to race!
2 1995 48,284 993 $37,900 03/13/2005 —
Details
1995 911 Cabriolet in excellent condition. 16" Cup Wheels, Hi-Fi 8
speaker sound w/ 6 disk CD player, new battery, mats, windscreen. $37,900
3 1996 22,745 993C2 Cabriolet 49,900 05/12/2005
Details
1996 Porsche 993 Cabriolet, polar silver/light gray lthr/marble gray
top, 22,745 miles, 6-spd., very well optioned incl. 40% LSD, ABD, heated
power seats, rear seat delete, special leather options, 17" rims, CD,
keyless entry, serviced, never painted, all books & records, clean
CarFax & AutoCheck reports, warranty & financing options available,
offered at $49,900.00 obo. www.BuxtonMotorsports.com
4 1995 55450 993C2 Cabriolet 38,900 05/13/2005
Details
1995 Porsche 993 Cabriolet, polar silver/light gray lthr/black top,
55,424 miles, 6-spd., hi-fi sound, power seats, supple leather, polished
17" rims, new battery, fully serviced, every books and service record
from new, 45K service 06/10/2003 @ 42,488 miles, new top 2003, clean
CarFax & AutoCheck reports, warranty & financing options available, new
MSRP $76,297.00, offered at $38,900.00 obo. www.BuxtonMotorsports.com
5 1996 25,700 993 Targa $39,500 05/27/2005 small camera icon
Details
Two owner, 993 Targa with Porsche Certified Inspection report (4/2005)
and fresh service -- documentation available for both. Options include
Motorsound package, CD, leather seating surfaces, 8-way power driver
seat, 4-way power passenger seat, Porsche car cover. Car is tagged and
inspected in Texas and includes recently installed Porsche aluminum
shifter and brake handle ($1,000) and original shift/brake handle
included with car. Clean title, no accidents, rear tires are 50%. Car's
service history shows car received Porsche service update to Targa motor
and it works perfectly.
6 1996 17500 993 46400 06/30/2005
Details
First USA-spec, 5/95 build, believed to be Auto Show car. 17,500 miles,
Blue, Gray interior – special order. (It's one of those wild autoshow
paintjobs that looks purple under some light and blue under other
lights.) Tiptronic S, DSP, IR Alarm, computer, litronics, htd full pwr
seats, everything covered in supple leather including seat belt posts,
visors, etc. 30+ options. Top and car work perfectly. The paint is
original and has very few stone chips, no door dings. There is a die
cast model of this very car, produced by the UT Company of Germany. This
car will also be featured in a hardback book on the history of project
993. UPDATE - 2nd place in class at 6/2005 Porschefest Concours! Score -
281.8 of 285. Exterior - 99.5; Interior 74.3; Storage Compartment 49.4;
Engine 58.6. It also won a people's choice trophy at Augusta on 7/1/05!
7 1995 48,750 993 RS € 69,900 fob Germany 06/09/2005
Details
993RS (#795 from 1014 built) and first registered in February 1997 in
Europe. The car is factory painted in ultra-rare Turquoise Blue (2 cars
made) but also it has the additional 6,000 Euro ($7,500) upgraded
Clubsport front splitter and "big wing" 3.8 rear spoiler and decklid.
Complete engine rebuilt at 44,250 mls at PORSCHE with invoice. New
tires, crashfree, repainted front bumper. This car has white dial
guages, upgraded factory sport leather seats, the original 18" Speedline
wheels, drilled pedals, DUAL AIRBAGS (req'd for DOT certification),
power windows, RS door panels, RS/Cup adjustable suspension, A/C, ABS,
Limited Slip, and all the goodies. This is an accident-free car with a
full Porsche service history! Turnkey pre-purchase inspection (at
Porsche) and import package available for interested US buyers.
8 1996 38,100 993 $37500 07/14/2005
Details
1996 Porsche 993 Carrera 2, WP0AA2996TS322858, Polar Silver Metallic/
Midnite Blue partial Leather, 38,100 miles, AM/FM/CD, Hi-Fi Sound
Package, 5 CD Holder in console, Full power seat-left, 17” wheels w/
Painted Crest Rim Caps, Eibach Progressive rate springs, Koni Sport
front shocks, M030 ROW rear shocks, FVD adjustable rear sway bar,
Weltmeister short shift kit, DAS removable roll bar, 5-point Simpson
camlock belts, Robin Sun RSR mufflers Extra set of wheels for track use.
$37,500. Dublin, OH
9 1995 56200 911 - 993 33500 08/12/2005 —
Details
1 owner 993 cabriolet, excellent condition, 56,200 miles, garaged,
never autocrossed, never wrecked, all services by dealer. Click website
for lots of pics and details on the car.
10 1996 73000 993 C4s 43950 06/15/2005
Details
C4s, Euro M-030 susp. Euro-spec align (Fordahl), New top end, clutch,
brakes (Akers), New Bridgestone S-03 tires, motor sound package, Supple
Leather, prem. sound, all reciepts.
11 1996 21,875 993 Twin Turbo $79,950 07/24/2005
Details
1996 Twin Turbo, Black with full black leather interior and silver
inserts, full carbon fiber package, aluminum dials, Nakamichi digital
sound, 6 disk, aluminum door sills. Originally built for Ivan "Pudge"
Rodriguez by Fred Baker Porsche. Power, suspension and body upgrades:
TechArt, Gemballa, Strosek, B&B, Fiske, H&R. Excellent horsepower and
torque, clean, mean and unique body look. Original sales price over
$157,000. 21,500 miles later $79,950.
12 1996 67000 993 C2 $36000 08/13/2005 —
Details
1996 Porsche C2 coupe. Six speed manual transmission, arena red with
gray leather interior. New rear Michelin Pilot tires. Full power seats.
Meticulously maintained. (Boston)
13 1995 46481 993 coupe 38500 06/22/2005 small camera icon
Details
993 coupe in excellent condition, power leather seats, 17" sport
wheels, carbon fiber dash and consol, only 46,481 miles, 45,000 miles
service done, carfax cert title, warranty, state inspection
14 1996 41000 993 39000 firm 07/28/2005 —
Details
garage kept, immaculate, no bodywork or paint, 100% original, no
stories, All records. 3rd owner, new battery and tires. Ready to go. Car
is like new. Photos available. Near Dallas, TX. Looking to buy new home.
15 1996 40,500 993 $38k 08/16/2005 —
Details
1996 993, 100% original except new tires and battery. No paint, no
stories, no mechanical issues, with receipts. Covered, garaged in
Dallas. Car is ready to go. Email me for photos. Looking to buy new home.
16 1995 39,750 993 RS € 58,900 FOB Germany 06/27/2005
Details
From the Manfred Freisinger collection a 993RS with original 3.8 liter
motor, air conditioning, Porsche CR-21 radio, and dual airbags
(necessary for DOT certification for street use). Crashfree car with
fresh servicing and only 2 owners. Car includes Clubsport aero kit
($7,500 option) and new tires. Pre-purchase inspection available at
Porsche dealer. Turnkey import package available for interested US
buyers -- see our website for details on our service(s). The price for
this car assume export from Germany to the US so VAT has been netted out.
17 1996 9200 993 57,500 08/07/2005 —
Details
possibly the finest of its class left on the Planet. Heavily optioned
collectors car. One owner, records, incredibly maintained and cared for.
18 1995 44,500 993 C4 35,000 08/17/2005 —
Details
excellent condition, 6 spd, sunroof, full leather, sport seats,
garaged, no oil leaks, 6 disc CD
19 1996 32,746 993 RS € 66,900 FOB Germany 06/27/2005
Details
This is a chance to own a fully loaded 993RS in ultra-rare Riviera Blue
(1 of 6 painted this color from the factory). This car has air
conditioning, Clubsport aero kit ($7,500 option), power windows, "HEIGO"
Clubsport roll bar behind seats, Porsche sport confort seats, TechArt
airducts with fog lamps in front bumper, Porsche CR 11 radio, and new
tires. The car is crashfree and has the 996 3-spoke airbag steering
wheel (dual airbag equipped). The car has never been raced or tracked at
DE's. Turnkey import packages available for interested US buyers,
including pre-purchase inspection and test drive. Visit our website for
details on our services.
20 1996 48000 993 twin turbo 68000 08/07/2005 —
Details
extensive records all maint. up to date new clutch, turbos recently
overhauled. Always garaged and adult driven and it shows
21 1995 32,000 Carrrera 2 (993) 38,500.00 08/18/2005
Details
Tiptronic, 2nd owner car. All services up to date. All service records
available. New Top in 2004, servos and transmissions motors replaced
same time. Seals done on motor 2002. This is a clean, accident free, low
miles stock car.
22 1996 58000 993 C4s 42500 08/07/2005 —
Details
well maintained awd air cooled beauty. all books and records, great
shape in and out. Always garaged and driven resposibly. Pics available.
23 1996 10,713 993 C4S $62,900 08/19/2005
Details
Equipped with: Heated Seats, Wheel Rim Caps w/Porsche Crests, In-dash
CD Player, Cruise Control, Power Sunroof, Sport Group. Enjoy the thrill
of all wheel drive with this beautiful 993! The Arena Red Paint looks
absolutely incredible. The interior shows extremely fresh. No curbed
edges on the wheels. All electrical and mechanical systems are in proper
working order. Books & Keys are included. Stock Number P2826. View all
photos and our reference letters at www.premiercars.com
24 1996 18,500 993 Turbo 77,000 08/09/2005
Details
No track, and excellent condition. Always pampered, stunning car with
amazing speed. Completely stock car, no smoke ever. Just 18,500 original
miles.
25 1996 27,141 1996 993 Turbo $78,500 08/19/2005
Details
Equipped with: Full Leather Interior, Sports Seats, Hi Fi Sound
Package, In Dash CD, Self-Dim Mirrors and Rain Sensor, Power Sunroof.
One look at this car and you will see the meticulous care it has
received. The Paint has a deep and incredible sheen to it. The interior
shows extremely fresh. No curbed edges on the wheels and the tires are
in excellent shape. All electrical and mechanical systems are in proper
working order. Books, Records, & Spare Keys are complete. ask about
Vehicle No. P2788. View all photos and our reference letters at
www.premiercars.com
26 1996 18,000 993 Twin Turbo $79,900 08/10/2005
Details
Absolutely Pristine! Equipped with: Supple Leather Full Power Seats
Left and Right Heated Seats Left and Right Carbon Fiber Package Alpine
CD Player 8 Disc CD Storage on Console Rear Window Washer System
Stunning Color Combination! Just Serviced and 100 Point Inspected
Performed. The 15k Service has been performed. Books, Service Records, &
Spare Keys Complete Nationwide Delivery - Finance/Lease Options
Available. .
27 1996 9,200 993 Twin Turbo $82,000 08/12/2005
Details
Second owner of this immaculate gem. Factory carbon incl. wheel, no
mods, digital sound + trunk cd, supple leather. Mature, meticulous
owner, always garaged and pampered. Recently serviced, none finer, for
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Before writing the check, the 96-98 993's have had issues with emissions
that can cost $5000 - $6000 to fix.
This has been documented on the PCA.Org web site. See the except below:
Although the 1996 & newer have superior suspension hardware, and other
improvements, the 1995 has one big emerging advantage -- relative immunity
to what is becoming an epidemic. That is of 1996-1998 993's coming down with
the dreaded Check Engine Light for the Secondary Air Injection system
airways getting plugged. Those passages can be cleaned with solvent and
compressed air every 15k miles to prevent the problem, but once the carbon
buildup hardens and sets in, it is too late. Since we did not know this was
necessary, basically every car eventually fails state emissions testing.
Except for the 1995 that is, because it did not yet have OBD-II onboard
diagnostics and so it does not fail itself. The rebuild for the 1996 & later
models will run in the ballpark of $6000, so this is a big deal if you live
in a state doing emissions testing, or if you ever plan to sell the car.
"The Dead Senator" <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Chris wrote:
I'm looking to buy one and I can't figure out what is a good price for
one. The prices are all over the place.
You see 100K+ mile cars for $22-35K then you see 30K mile cars for the
same price range. What do the dealers give for one of these as a trade
in?
I'm looking to buy a southern 95-96 993, No Sault Queens Please! Silver,
Black or White with Black or Grey Interior. 6sp with about 60K miles,
one or two owner well taken care of with no problems, Original paint no
repairs no dings. Anyone out there have one for sale near Florida
Thanks, Chris
Check http://www.rennlist.com and http://www.pca.org (though I do not
think you can check the PCA classifieds without an account...
...yep. But my search for 993s with < 75k miles shows 27 hits, so you
should prolly get an account.
1 1996 35000 993 $50000 07/15/2004 —
Details
3.8L RSR motor built by AASCO, S-Car-Go headers, JRZ 3-ways, Big Reds,
ABS, 2 sets Kinesis wheels, 1 set 996 Turbo Twists for rains, Halon fire
system, Matter cage, GT2 bodywork (fiber and carbon), Sparco seat, Fuel
Safe 27 gallon fuel cell, and more. Top-10 finishes at Pueblo, Hallett,
and TWS. The car was serviced 02/2005 and the JRZs rebuilt. It's ready to
race!
2 1995 48,284 993 $37,900 03/13/2005 —
Details
1995 911 Cabriolet in excellent condition. 16" Cup Wheels, Hi-Fi 8 speaker
sound w/ 6 disk CD player, new battery, mats, windscreen. $37,900
3 1996 22,745 993C2 Cabriolet 49,900 05/12/2005 Details
1996 Porsche 993 Cabriolet, polar silver/light gray lthr/marble gray top,
22,745 miles, 6-spd., very well optioned incl. 40% LSD, ABD, heated power
seats, rear seat delete, special leather options, 17" rims, CD, keyless
entry, serviced, never painted, all books & records, clean CarFax &
AutoCheck reports, warranty & financing options available, offered at
$49,900.00 obo. www.BuxtonMotorsports.com
4 1995 55450 993C2 Cabriolet 38,900 05/13/2005 Details
1995 Porsche 993 Cabriolet, polar silver/light gray lthr/black top, 55,424
miles, 6-spd., hi-fi sound, power seats, supple leather, polished 17"
rims, new battery, fully serviced, every books and service record from
new, 45K service 06/10/2003 @ 42,488 miles, new top 2003, clean CarFax &
AutoCheck reports, warranty & financing options available, new MSRP
$76,297.00, offered at $38,900.00 obo. www.BuxtonMotorsports.com
5 1996 25,700 993 Targa $39,500 05/27/2005 small camera icon
Details
Two owner, 993 Targa with Porsche Certified Inspection report (4/2005) and
fresh service -- documentation available for both. Options include
Motorsound package, CD, leather seating surfaces, 8-way power driver seat,
4-way power passenger seat, Porsche car cover. Car is tagged and inspected
in Texas and includes recently installed Porsche aluminum shifter and
brake handle ($1,000) and original shift/brake handle included with car.
Clean title, no accidents, rear tires are 50%. Car's service history shows
car received Porsche service update to Targa motor and it works perfectly.
6 1996 17500 993 46400 06/30/2005 Details
First USA-spec, 5/95 build, believed to be Auto Show car. 17,500 miles,
Blue, Gray interior – special order. (It's one of those wild autoshow
paintjobs that looks purple under some light and blue under other lights.)
Tiptronic S, DSP, IR Alarm, computer, litronics, htd full pwr seats,
everything covered in supple leather including seat belt posts, visors,
etc. 30+ options. Top and car work perfectly. The paint is original and
has very few stone chips, no door dings. There is a die cast model of this
very car, produced by the UT Company of Germany. This car will also be
featured in a hardback book on the history of project 993. UPDATE - 2nd
place in class at 6/2005 Porschefest Concours! Score - 281.8 of 285.
Exterior - 99.5; Interior 74.3; Storage Compartment 49.4; Engine 58.6. It
also won a people's choice trophy at Augusta on 7/1/05!
7 1995 48,750 993 RS € 69,900 fob Germany 06/09/2005 Details
993RS (#795 from 1014 built) and first registered in February 1997 in
Europe. The car is factory painted in ultra-rare Turquoise Blue (2 cars
made) but also it has the additional 6,000 Euro ($7,500) upgraded
Clubsport front splitter and "big wing" 3.8 rear spoiler and decklid.
Complete engine rebuilt at 44,250 mls at PORSCHE with invoice. New tires,
crashfree, repainted front bumper. This car has white dial guages,
upgraded factory sport leather seats, the original 18" Speedline wheels,
drilled pedals, DUAL AIRBAGS (req'd for DOT certification), power windows,
RS door panels, RS/Cup adjustable suspension, A/C, ABS, Limited Slip, and
all the goodies. This is an accident-free car with a full Porsche service
history! Turnkey pre-purchase inspection (at Porsche) and import package
available for interested US buyers.
8 1996 38,100 993 $37500 07/14/2005 Details
1996 Porsche 993 Carrera 2, WP0AA2996TS322858, Polar Silver Metallic/
Midnite Blue partial Leather, 38,100 miles, AM/FM/CD, Hi-Fi Sound Package,
5 CD Holder in console, Full power seat-left, 17” wheels w/ Painted Crest
Rim Caps, Eibach Progressive rate springs, Koni Sport front shocks, M030
ROW rear shocks, FVD adjustable rear sway bar, Weltmeister short shift
kit, DAS removable roll bar, 5-point Simpson camlock belts, Robin Sun RSR
mufflers Extra set of wheels for track use. $37,500. Dublin, OH
9 1995 56200 911 - 993 33500 08/12/2005 —
Details
1 owner 993 cabriolet, excellent condition, 56,200 miles, garaged, never
autocrossed, never wrecked, all services by dealer. Click website for lots
of pics and details on the car.
10 1996 73000 993 C4s 43950 06/15/2005 Details
C4s, Euro M-030 susp. Euro-spec align (Fordahl), New top end, clutch,
brakes (Akers), New Bridgestone S-03 tires, motor sound package, Supple
Leather, prem. sound, all reciepts.
11 1996 21,875 993 Twin Turbo $79,950 07/24/2005 Details
1996 Twin Turbo, Black with full black leather interior and silver
inserts, full carbon fiber package, aluminum dials, Nakamichi digital
sound, 6 disk, aluminum door sills. Originally built for Ivan "Pudge"
Rodriguez by Fred Baker Porsche. Power, suspension and body upgrades:
TechArt, Gemballa, Strosek, B&B, Fiske, H&R. Excellent horsepower and
torque, clean, mean and unique body look. Original sales price over
$157,000. 21,500 miles later $79,950.
12 1996 67000 993 C2 $36000 08/13/2005 —
Details
1996 Porsche C2 coupe. Six speed manual transmission, arena red with gray
leather interior. New rear Michelin Pilot tires. Full power seats.
Meticulously maintained. (Boston)
13 1995 46481 993 coupe 38500 06/22/2005 small camera icon
Details
993 coupe in excellent condition, power leather seats, 17" sport wheels,
carbon fiber dash and consol, only 46,481 miles, 45,000 miles service
done, carfax cert title, warranty, state inspection
14 1996 41000 993 39000 firm 07/28/2005 —
Details
garage kept, immaculate, no bodywork or paint, 100% original, no stories,
All records. 3rd owner, new battery and tires. Ready to go. Car is like
new. Photos available. Near Dallas, TX. Looking to buy new home.
15 1996 40,500 993 $38k 08/16/2005 —
Details
1996 993, 100% original except new tires and battery. No paint, no
stories, no mechanical issues, with receipts. Covered, garaged in Dallas.
Car is ready to go. Email me for photos. Looking to buy new home.
16 1995 39,750 993 RS € 58,900 FOB Germany 06/27/2005 Details
From the Manfred Freisinger collection a 993RS with original 3.8 liter
motor, air conditioning, Porsche CR-21 radio, and dual airbags (necessary
for DOT certification for street use). Crashfree car with fresh servicing
and only 2 owners. Car includes Clubsport aero kit ($7,500 option) and new
tires. Pre-purchase inspection available at Porsche dealer. Turnkey import
package available for interested US buyers -- see our website for details
on our service(s). The price for this car assume export from Germany to
the US so VAT has been netted out.
17 1996 9200 993 57,500 08/07/2005 —
Details
possibly the finest of its class left on the Planet. Heavily optioned
collectors car. One owner, records, incredibly maintained and cared for.
18 1995 44,500 993 C4 35,000 08/17/2005 —
Details
excellent condition, 6 spd, sunroof, full leather, sport seats, garaged,
no oil leaks, 6 disc CD
19 1996 32,746 993 RS € 66,900 FOB Germany 06/27/2005 Details
This is a chance to own a fully loaded 993RS in ultra-rare Riviera Blue (1
of 6 painted this color from the factory). This car has air conditioning,
Clubsport aero kit ($7,500 option), power windows, "HEIGO" Clubsport roll
bar behind seats, Porsche sport confort seats, TechArt airducts with fog
lamps in front bumper, Porsche CR 11 radio, and new tires. The car is
crashfree and has the 996 3-spoke airbag steering wheel (dual airbag
equipped). The car has never been raced or tracked at DE's. Turnkey import
packages available for interested US buyers, including pre-purchase
inspection and test drive. Visit our website for details on our services.
20 1996 48000 993 twin turbo 68000 08/07/2005 —
Details
extensive records all maint. up to date new clutch, turbos recently
overhauled. Always garaged and adult driven and it shows
21 1995 32,000 Carrrera 2 (993) 38,500.00 08/18/2005 Details
Tiptronic, 2nd owner car. All services up to date. All service records
available. New Top in 2004, servos and transmissions motors replaced same
time. Seals done on motor 2002. This is a clean, accident free, low miles
stock car.
22 1996 58000 993 C4s 42500 08/07/2005 —
Details
well maintained awd air cooled beauty. all books and records, great shape
in and out. Always garaged and driven resposibly. Pics available.
23 1996 10,713 993 C4S $62,900 08/19/2005 Details
Equipped with: Heated Seats, Wheel Rim Caps w/Porsche Crests, In-dash CD
Player, Cruise Control, Power Sunroof, Sport Group. Enjoy the thrill of
all wheel drive with this beautiful 993! The Arena Red Paint looks
absolutely incredible. The interior shows extremely fresh. No curbed edges
on the wheels. All electrical and mechanical systems are in proper working
order. Books & Keys are included. Stock Number P2826. View all photos and
our reference letters at www.premiercars.com
24 1996 18,500 993 Turbo 77,000 08/09/2005 Details
No track, and excellent condition. Always pampered, stunning car with
amazing speed. Completely stock car, no smoke ever. Just 18,500 original
miles.
25 1996 27,141 1996 993 Turbo $78,500 08/19/2005 Details
Equipped with: Full Leather Interior, Sports Seats, Hi Fi Sound Package,
In Dash CD, Self-Dim Mirrors and Rain Sensor, Power Sunroof. One look at
this car and you will see the meticulous care it has received. The Paint
has a deep and incredible sheen to it. The interior shows extremely fresh.
No curbed edges on the wheels and the tires are in excellent shape. All
electrical and mechanical systems are in proper working order. Books,
Records, & Spare Keys are complete. ask about Vehicle No. P2788. View all
photos and our reference letters at www.premiercars.com
26 1996 18,000 993 Twin Turbo $79,900 08/10/2005 Details
Absolutely Pristine! Equipped with: Supple Leather Full Power Seats Left
and Right Heated Seats Left and Right Carbon Fiber Package Alpine CD
Player 8 Disc CD Storage on Console Rear Window Washer System Stunning
Color Combination! Just Serviced and 100 Point Inspected Performed. The
15k Service has been performed. Books, Service Records, & Spare Keys
Complete Nationwide Delivery - Finance/Lease Options Available. .
27 1996 9,200 993 Twin Turbo $82,000 08/12/2005 Details
Second owner of this immaculate gem. Factory carbon incl. wheel, no mods,
digital sound + trunk cd, supple leather. Mature, meticulous owner, always
garaged and pampered. Recently serviced, none finer, for the
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The Dead Senator
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Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:13 am Post subject:
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Paul - SBC News wrote:
| Quote: | Before writing the check, the 96-98 993's have had issues with emissions
that can cost $5000 - $6000 to fix.
This has been documented on the PCA.Org web site. See the except below:
Although the 1996 & newer have superior suspension hardware, and other
improvements, the 1995 has one big emerging advantage -- relative immunity
to what is becoming an epidemic. That is of 1996-1998 993's coming down with
the dreaded Check Engine Light for the Secondary Air Injection system
airways getting plugged. Those passages can be cleaned with solvent and
compressed air every 15k miles to prevent the problem, but once the carbon
buildup hardens and sets in, it is too late. Since we did not know this was
necessary, basically every car eventually fails state emissions testing.
Except for the 1995 that is, because it did not yet have OBD-II onboard
diagnostics and so it does not fail itself. The rebuild for the 1996 & later
models will run in the ballpark of $6000, so this is a big deal if you live
in a state doing emissions testing, or if you ever plan to sell the car.
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I have heard this, too. But what is the percentage of cars affected? I
had not known this to be of epidemic proportions. I also thought
Porsche was covering the fix for it, under the vehicle emissions
warranty to 100k miles.
DS
1995! 993 Coupe |
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Paul - SBC News
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:14 am Post subject:
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Haven't seen any specific numbers or percentages (other than the number of
postings on Rennlist and PCA.org).
I have read that coverage by Porsche is not a given, it's addressed on a
case by case basis.
So the best case would be to do the techron wash before it clogs the
secondaries.
The cleaning is detailed on p-cars.com at
http://p-car.com/diy/sai/1/sai.htm
"The Dead Senator" <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nr6dnZ2dnZ1swQPEnZ2dnc0wk96dnZ2dRVn-0Z2dnZ0@comcast.com...
| Quote: | Paul - SBC News wrote:
Before writing the check, the 96-98 993's have had issues with emissions
that can cost $5000 - $6000 to fix.
This has been documented on the PCA.Org web site. See the except below:
Although the 1996 & newer have superior suspension hardware, and other
improvements, the 1995 has one big emerging advantage -- relative
immunity to what is becoming an epidemic. That is of 1996-1998 993's
coming down with the dreaded Check Engine Light for the Secondary Air
Injection system airways getting plugged. Those passages can be cleaned
with solvent and compressed air every 15k miles to prevent the problem,
but once the carbon buildup hardens and sets in, it is too late. Since we
did not know this was necessary, basically every car eventually fails
state emissions testing. Except for the 1995 that is, because it did not
yet have OBD-II onboard diagnostics and so it does not fail itself. The
rebuild for the 1996 & later models will run in the ballpark of $6000, so
this is a big deal if you live in a state doing emissions testing, or if
you ever plan to sell the car.
I have heard this, too. But what is the percentage of cars affected? I
had not known this to be of epidemic proportions. I also thought Porsche
was covering the fix for it, under the vehicle emissions warranty to 100k
miles.
DS
1995! 993 Coupe |
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william_b_noble
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Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:14 am Post subject:
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for what it's worth, my 993 is over 90K miles and hasn't shown this yet -
only engine repair I've needed to do was change the valve cover gaskets.
"Paul - SBC News" <p.resnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:xbRPe.249$sP7.61@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
| Quote: | Haven't seen any specific numbers or percentages (other than the number of
postings on Rennlist and PCA.org).
I have read that coverage by Porsche is not a given, it's addressed on a
case by case basis.
So the best case would be to do the techron wash before it clogs the
secondaries.
The cleaning is detailed on p-cars.com at
http://p-car.com/diy/sai/1/sai.htm
"The Dead Senator" <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nr6dnZ2dnZ1swQPEnZ2dnc0wk96dnZ2dRVn-0Z2dnZ0@comcast.com...
Paul - SBC News wrote:
Before writing the check, the 96-98 993's have had issues with emissions
that can cost $5000 - $6000 to fix.
This has been documented on the PCA.Org web site. See the except below:
Although the 1996 & newer have superior suspension hardware, and other
improvements, the 1995 has one big emerging advantage -- relative
immunity to what is becoming an epidemic. That is of 1996-1998 993's
coming down with the dreaded Check Engine Light for the Secondary Air
Injection system airways getting plugged. Those passages can be cleaned
with solvent and compressed air every 15k miles to prevent the problem,
but once the carbon buildup hardens and sets in, it is too late. Since
we did not know this was necessary, basically every car eventually fails
state emissions testing. Except for the 1995 that is, because it did not
yet have OBD-II onboard diagnostics and so it does not fail itself. The
rebuild for the 1996 & later models will run in the ballpark of $6000,
so this is a big deal if you live in a state doing emissions testing, or
if you ever plan to sell the car.
I have heard this, too. But what is the percentage of cars affected? I
had not known this to be of epidemic proportions. I also thought Porsche
was covering the fix for it, under the vehicle emissions warranty to 100k
miles.
DS
1995! 993 Coupe
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Paul - SBC News
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Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:52 am Post subject:
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If it's a 96-98, that's great news. So many times you only hear the bad
news, not the good.
Hopefully I can say the same at 90K miles!
"william_b_noble" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:1125117363.096107b089140c88ee179fb5e3bfd632@teranews...
| Quote: | for what it's worth, my 993 is over 90K miles and hasn't shown this yet -
only engine repair I've needed to do was change the valve cover gaskets.
"Paul - SBC News" <p.resnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:xbRPe.249$sP7.61@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
Haven't seen any specific numbers or percentages (other than the number
of postings on Rennlist and PCA.org).
I have read that coverage by Porsche is not a given, it's addressed on a
case by case basis.
So the best case would be to do the techron wash before it clogs the
secondaries.
The cleaning is detailed on p-cars.com at
http://p-car.com/diy/sai/1/sai.htm
"The Dead Senator" <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nr6dnZ2dnZ1swQPEnZ2dnc0wk96dnZ2dRVn-0Z2dnZ0@comcast.com...
Paul - SBC News wrote:
Before writing the check, the 96-98 993's have had issues with
emissions that can cost $5000 - $6000 to fix.
This has been documented on the PCA.Org web site. See the except
below:
Although the 1996 & newer have superior suspension hardware, and other
improvements, the 1995 has one big emerging advantage -- relative
immunity to what is becoming an epidemic. That is of 1996-1998 993's
coming down with the dreaded Check Engine Light for the Secondary Air
Injection system airways getting plugged. Those passages can be cleaned
with solvent and compressed air every 15k miles to prevent the problem,
but once the carbon buildup hardens and sets in, it is too late. Since
we did not know this was necessary, basically every car eventually
fails state emissions testing. Except for the 1995 that is, because it
did not yet have OBD-II onboard diagnostics and so it does not fail
itself. The rebuild for the 1996 & later models will run in the
ballpark of $6000, so this is a big deal if you live in a state doing
emissions testing, or if you ever plan to sell the car.
I have heard this, too. But what is the percentage of cars affected? I
had not known this to be of epidemic proportions. I also thought
Porsche was covering the fix for it, under the vehicle emissions
warranty to 100k miles.
DS
1995! 993 Coupe
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william_b_noble
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Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:15 am Post subject:
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it's a 97. what may be different is that for most of those miles, I drove
long distances (45 miles each way) to/from work, so that may have kept it
clean.
"Paul - SBC News" <p.resnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:i17Qe.1470$sP7.755@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
| Quote: | If it's a 96-98, that's great news. So many times you only hear the bad
news, not the good.
Hopefully I can say the same at 90K miles!
"william_b_noble" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:1125117363.096107b089140c88ee179fb5e3bfd632@teranews...
for what it's worth, my 993 is over 90K miles and hasn't shown this yet -
only engine repair I've needed to do was change the valve cover gaskets.
"Paul - SBC News" <p.resnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:xbRPe.249$sP7.61@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
Haven't seen any specific numbers or percentages (other than the number
of postings on Rennlist and PCA.org).
I have read that coverage by Porsche is not a given, it's addressed on a
case by case basis.
So the best case would be to do the techron wash before it clogs the
secondaries.
The cleaning is detailed on p-cars.com at
http://p-car.com/diy/sai/1/sai.htm
"The Dead Senator" <deadsenator@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nr6dnZ2dnZ1swQPEnZ2dnc0wk96dnZ2dRVn-0Z2dnZ0@comcast.com...
Paul - SBC News wrote:
Before writing the check, the 96-98 993's have had issues with
emissions that can cost $5000 - $6000 to fix.
This has been documented on the PCA.Org web site. See the except
below:
Although the 1996 & newer have superior suspension hardware, and other
improvements, the 1995 has one big emerging advantage -- relative
immunity to what is becoming an epidemic. That is of 1996-1998 993's
coming down with the dreaded Check Engine Light for the Secondary Air
Injection system airways getting plugged. Those passages can be
cleaned with solvent and compressed air every 15k miles to prevent the
problem, but once the carbon buildup hardens and sets in, it is too
late. Since we did not know this was necessary, basically every car
eventually fails state emissions testing. Except for the 1995 that is,
because it did not yet have OBD-II onboard diagnostics and so it does
not fail itself. The rebuild for the 1996 & later models will run in
the ballpark of $6000, so this is a big deal if you live in a state
doing emissions testing, or if you ever plan to sell the car.
I have heard this, too. But what is the percentage of cars affected?
I had not known this to be of epidemic proportions. I also thought
Porsche was covering the fix for it, under the vehicle emissions
warranty to 100k miles.
DS
1995! 993 Coupe
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