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Romy
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:14 pm Post subject:
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"Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Why not just drive the speed limit like you are supposed to and
stop
trying
to rob liquor stores?
You are kidding right....
Traffic here in the Philly area goes 65 in the right lane, 70 in the
middle lane, and 80 plus in the left one. All this in a 55mph zone.
Nobody ever goes the speed limit here...it is simply a joke. It is
an
odds thing...if you drive more often, you are more likely to get
stopped.
I see nothing wrong with going 70mph on a clear stretch of turnpike
or
open highway in my Mercedes. The car is built to handle speeds far
faster than this. It is perfectly safe as long as there are no
lights,
side streets, or animals (not an issue on our highways here. If you
don't have to weave or ride up on other people why not ride
faster...?
It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch to your
politicians to change it.
...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can their
parents.
Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either
very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to
go on a regular basis.
So it's OK to break into your home and steal your TV as long as I don't
get
caught?
Same laws, same police...
It's not the speeding, it's the lawbreaking. As long as folks see that
it's
fine to break the law whenever it suits them the world will keep on it's
downward spiral.
Sept 11 was nothing more than a few folks breaking the law... Seems far
fetched, but 25 years ago most folks wouldn't have ever considered that
something so nasty would happen.
Anyhow, my last rant on the topic.
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That's a good thing too. The law does not say you can't speed, it has
nothing to do with it. Speeding is a Highway Traffic Act (HTA, section 128)
offence, not a criminal offence.
Romy
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Geoff Miller
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Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:17 pm Post subject:
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Noozer <dontspam@me.here> writes:
| Quote: | It's called the Law. If you don't like the speed limit, bitch
to your politicians to change it.
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Bad laws get disobeyed. Widespread disobedience is often a major
reason why such laws eventually get changed. Two examples that
come immediately to mind are Prohibition and the NMSL.
Besides, one can conform to the intent of speed limits (driving
safely) without necessarily conforming to the letter of the law.
"Laws are for the obedience of fools and for the guidance of wise
men."
| Quote: | ...no wonder so many kids can't respect anything - neither can
their parents.
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Oh, please...
Geoff
(another satisfied Valentine One owner)
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"Are you a little sick of being told that you ought to be
ashamed, as an American, because the French don't respect
us? Why doesn't anyone ever ask whether we respect them?"
-- Jay Nordlinger |
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Holden McThynge
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:56 pm Post subject:
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"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Once I was stopped by the police at 100.6 mph. It was a fine, dry sunny
evening in summer.
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lemme ask you something on a related subject, insurance; in the USofA, if
you get a speeding ticket, your insurance goes up, get another speeding
ticket inside of 12 months, and your insurance goes up like a Saturn V
rocket... On the other hand, here in Germany, get a speeding ticket, and
nothing happens to your insurance, get another ticket, and more nothing
happens to your insurance... Is there a link between speeding and insurance
in the UK?
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Scott M
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:04 pm Post subject:
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Holden McThynge wrote:
| Quote: | Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK?
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Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor
infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most
insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium
after that.
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Scott
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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Holden McThynge
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject:
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"Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Holden McThynge wrote:
Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK?
Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor
infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most
insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium
after that.
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you get three points here as well at any speed 10% over the posted speed
(111K in a posted 100K zone). your license does the *Dead Parrot Sketch* at
12. (you can opt to take evening driving refresher courses which cost a
couple hundred Euro, which neutralize two or three points). You can also
receive three of the finest for blood alcohol of 0.05. |
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:43 pm Post subject:
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Finest what? Cuts? Do you live on the Isle of Man...? (Well, probably not
as you refer to km).
DAS
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| Quote: | You can also receive three of the finest for blood alcohol of 0.05.
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Dori A Schmetterling
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:48 pm Post subject:
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I (in UK) didn't recollect getting asked about my points when renewing my
insurance,
just for my money...
DAS
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"Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Holden McThynge wrote:
Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK?
Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor
infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most
insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium
after that.
--
Scott
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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Oldun
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Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:47 pm Post subject:
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You can invalidate your insurance if you do not disclose any changes,
including fines.
Oldun
"Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I (in UK) didn't recollect getting asked about my points when renewing my
insurance,
just for my money...
DAS
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For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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"Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:416FAFE3.ECEA1A94@delete_this.yahoo.com...
Holden McThynge wrote:
Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK?
Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor
infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most
insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium
after that.
--
Scott
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
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Hairy One Kenobi
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Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:12 am Post subject:
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"Holden McThynge" <holden_mcthynge@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Scott M" <smorris_12@delete_this.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:416FAFE3.ECEA1A94@delete_this.yahoo.com...
Holden McThynge wrote:
Is there a link between speeding and insurance in the UK?
Ho yus. You currently get three points on your licence per minor
infraction (say 40 in a 30) and disqualified at 12 points. Most
insurance companies ignore the first 3, but start upping the premium
after that.
you get three points here as well at any speed 10% over the posted speed
(111K in a posted 100K zone). your license does the *Dead Parrot Sketch*
at
12. (you can opt to take evening driving refresher courses which cost a
couple hundred Euro, which neutralize two or three points). You can also
receive three of the finest for blood alcohol of 0.05.
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The original system involved a severity thing, with three points being the
maximum awarded.
There is probably someone, somewhere, that has received /less/ than the
maximum three points for a particular offence. Never heard of them, though.
I don't advocate bad driving, but let's have a thought experiment - take
someone who speeds through a red light, and then makes a turn before
noticing the blue flashing lights in his rear-view.
Well, lessee.. three points for the speeding, three for the lights, and
three for not noticing Mr. Copper (well, to be honest, he might let you off
with a very appropriate lecture; the cameras, however, won't). So let's call
that 9 points in one shot.
Assuming that you can still afford to drive, let it be known that one camera
flash will remove your license for at least a year. If you were riding a
bike at the time, then sell it - the /difference/ in your insurance for the
next year will likely cost more than the bike.
100mph+ or anything alcohol related is an instant 12 points and an instant
ban. Starts at one year minimum, runs to (I think) five years to /life/.
IIRC, any points you already have get transferred to your new replacement
license (fee payable, naturally).
Hate drink-driving, but also hate the arbitrary limits - having seen an 18
year old secretary cut paint around a door lock after half a pint, it's hard
to believe that certain heavier drinkers are significantly more dangerous
after 2 pints... (I exclude myself from this - my days of going to a country
pub and drinking a pint of ale are long gone, in this sort of political
climate [as are most of the pubs!]. I now count units so that I'm at zero
before even getting into my car the next morning, let alone on the same
day..)
--
Hairy One Kenobi
Disclaimer: the opinions expressed in this opinion do not necessarily
reflect the opinions of the highly-opinionated person expressing the opinion
in the first place. So there! |
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dizzy
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:33 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:14:07 GMT, "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote:
| Quote: | Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either
very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to
go on a regular basis.
So it's OK to break into your home and steal your TV as long as I don't get
caught?
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I guess you're too stupid to understand the difference between a crime
which hurts others, and a victimless "crime" like the vast majority of
"speeding" is. |
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MG
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:53 pm Post subject:
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I guess you're too stupid to understand the difference between a crime
which hurts others, and a victimless "crime" like the vast majority of
"speeding" is.
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The vast majority of speeding is indeed victimless, but---------everyone who
speeds and by speeding, I do not mean 5-10 mph over the limit does indeed
increase the risk of danger to those also on the road. I have had my share
of fun with my Porsche over the years. Fun like sliding around corners in
the mountains and trying to see just how fast I could go without losing it.
I have traveled my share of mountain roads in Germany, Austria and
Switzerland and have felt the fear of finding a Porsche, BMW or other fast
ride over the center lane when there are no guard rails on my side. I have
driven the canyons of the USA and know the fear of seeing novice Porsche
drivers sliding around corners toward me. I have seen a BMW driver using a
cell phone pass me at well over a 100mph and have found the same BMW a few
miles down the road in a tree, not against a tree but in the tree after
hitting a tour bus.
You might be a good driver, you might even be a great driver but the truth
is that unwarranted speed not only tests your capabilities as a "home grown"
Michael Schumacher but it tests those on the road who do not aspire to
Formula One status and speed.
Do I like the speed limits? Not always but I can tell you that I adore them
after being forced off the road on some mountain road by someone who thinks
that speed limits are for dummies. Do I like speed limits on the super
highways which are often straight and wide? Not always but I have found
that many who think they are wonderful drivers are an accident waiting to
happen and I for one do not wish to be involved in that accident.
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MatBo
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Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject:
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I think that the tech guy didn't define the situation very well.
It's been awhile since I took physics, but I think that the light
needed to illuminate an object increases greatly as you move further
way.
So for instance, if you move from 1 to 11 meters from your plate, the
flash needs to be 100 times greater to ensure a similar illumination.
Not sure of the ratios --- but I'm positive of the principle.
If you shoot a flash from 10 feet away with your digital, the amount
of lumens from the flash on the intersection's camera to equal your
flash would have to be extraordinary.
MatBo
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:23:59 GMT, Rich Williamson <nothere@nospam.com>
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Does anyone have any feedback on the products found at:
http://phantomplate.com/main.html
I purchased their spray and the plate shield (Photoshield). I am not
entirely convinced that the spray works. I took some digital flash
photos of my car at night in the driveway. I found that at an angle,
the spray worked and obscured my plate. Straight on, it was not so
good... it gave only a partial or little reflection leaving my plate
readable.
I asked the company tech guy about it (and sent him the photos), and his
reply was that a flash on a home digital camera is only intended for
10-15 feet, and that the flash used in photo radar is 10X stronger and
brighter...therefore it would reflect using that type of flash.
I am not sure if I believe this or not...while it may make sense in
theory,I don't really want to test it in the real world. How about
daytime traffic light or photoradar...wouldn't that need a lower flash
level? Does the equipment adjust for ambient light?
I am tempted to respray and add more product, but don't know if this
helps or hurts the performance. It does dull the plate, and it looks
like it is starting to build up. I put 5 or 6 coats on the plate (two
separate plates 6 each).
The Photoshield cover works as advertised... the only negative comment I
would have is that it is not as "undetectable" as stated. You can see
that there is something "distorting" the plate if you got out of your
car beheind me, and were walking up to my car (as a cop would do at a
traffic stop).
I am unsure if it is truly legal (the plate cover)... while it may be
technically legal, it might get you hassled for using it.
I welcome any comments or advice from people who have used it or know
more about traffic light or stationary photo radar.
thanks,
Rich |
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tech27
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Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:57 am Post subject:
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"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:14:07 GMT, "Noozer" <dontspam@me.here> wrote:
Your comments don't appear to be grounded in reality. You are either
very naive or live in a rural area and are retired and have nowhere to
go on a regular basis.
So it's OK to break into your home and steal your TV as long as I don't
get
caught?
I guess you're too stupid to understand the difference between a crime
which hurts others, and a victimless "crime" like the vast majority of
"speeding" is.
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Breaking in to homes to steal things is a no no. Speeding is also a no no if
you are constantly speeding, passing others, etc. My original post had to do
with using a radar detector to warn of speed traps on the highways where I
live, on which the speed of ALL vehicles on the road, right lane too, is
ALWAYS 10 to 20 kph above the speed limit. For all intents and purposes you
CANNOT go the speed limit without impeding traffic flow or causing just
about everyone to try and pass you. |
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TigerRace1
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:46 am Post subject:
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<<Are you a little sick of being told that you ought to be ashamed, as an
American, because the French don't respect us?>>
What an idiot. It's not just the French who are disgusted with Americans and
the American President. 50 yrs of respect and global good will have been
destroyed in less than 4. I'm not ashamed. I'm angry and I'm voting.
C. |
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J.C.
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Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:09 pm Post subject:
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TigerRace1 <tigerrace1@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Are you a little sick of being told that you ought to be ashamed, as an
American, because the French don't respect us?
What an idiot. It's not just the French who are disgusted with Americans and
the American President.
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And the real question that should be asked is: "Why? Could there be any
reasons for that?"
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