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Waldo
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 4:22 am Post subject:
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Silver Surfer wrote:
| Quote: | Let me take a guess at why the GM wipers are designed as they are presently.
It probably has to do with aerodynamics. The wipers are tucked down out of
the way to help squeeze another decimal or so onto the fleet MPG figure as
mandated by our very own US government. A vacuum or electric operated cover
for the wipers would address your concern, but at a co$t.
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Yeah, you're probably right about why they do it the way
they do. But on the other hand, other manufacturers seem to
be able to install the wipers where they are accessible (and
on the warmed surface of the windshield where the defroster
blows) and still achieve decent mpg figures. Perhaps they
could figure out a way to direct warm air from the inside
heater system onto the wiper area - but then I suppose they
don't want you to warm the vehicle up for 5 or 10 minutes
before driving away.
But, I'd bet a buck that if their CEO or other big shots
lived in parts of the continent where winter extremes occur
and had to park their vehicles outside that some bright
engineer would come up with a cheap solution quickly.
Waldo
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Bret Chase
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:47 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:22:07 -0500, Waldo <waldo2@nospam.ca> wrote:
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:|Silver Surfer wrote:
:|> Let me take a guess at why the GM wipers are designed as they are presently.
:|> It probably has to do with aerodynamics. The wipers are tucked down out of
:|> the way to help squeeze another decimal or so onto the fleet MPG figure as
:|> mandated by our very own US government. A vacuum or electric operated cover
:|> for the wipers would address your concern, but at a co$t.
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:|Yeah, you're probably right about why they do it the way
:|they do. But on the other hand, other manufacturers seem to
:|be able to install the wipers where they are accessible (and
:|on the warmed surface of the windshield where the defroster
:|blows) and still achieve decent mpg figures. Perhaps they
:|could figure out a way to direct warm air from the inside
:|heater system onto the wiper area - but then I suppose they
:|don't want you to warm the vehicle up for 5 or 10 minutes
:|before driving away.
:|
:|But, I'd bet a buck that if their CEO or other big shots
:|lived in parts of the continent where winter extremes occur
:|and had to park their vehicles outside that some bright
:|engineer would come up with a cheap solution quickly.
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:|Waldo
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uhhh GM's WHQ is in Detroit, MI, while it's not northern ontario, it
they do get a real winter there.
-Bret |
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James C. Reeves
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:11 am Post subject:
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"Waldo" <waldo2@nospam.ca> wrote in message
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Silver Surfer wrote:
Let me take a guess at why the GM wipers are designed as they are
presently. It probably has to do with aerodynamics. The wipers are
tucked down out of the way to help squeeze another decimal or so onto the
fleet MPG figure as mandated by our very own US government. A vacuum or
electric operated cover for the wipers would address your concern, but at
a co$t.
Yeah, you're probably right about why they do it the way they do. But on
the other hand, other manufacturers seem to be able to install the wipers
where they are accessible (and on the warmed surface of the windshield
where the defroster blows) and still achieve decent mpg figures. Perhaps
they could figure out a way to direct warm air from the inside heater
system onto the wiper area - but then I suppose they don't want you to
warm the vehicle up for 5 or 10 minutes before driving away.
But, I'd bet a buck that if their CEO or other big shots lived in parts of
the continent where winter extremes occur and had to park their vehicles
outside that some bright engineer would come up with a cheap solution
quickly.
Waldo
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They have to design the wipers that way to squeeze a little more gas mileage
out of the car so to make up for the added gas their idiotic DRLs use, I
suppose. ;-)
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Ted Mittelstaedt
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 2:38 pm Post subject:
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"Silver Surfer" <h.mcguffinspamouflage@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:6Ladnar8PcnV607cRVn-og@comcast.com...
| Quote: | Let me take a guess at why the GM wipers are designed as they are
presently.
It probably has to do with aerodynamics. The wipers are tucked down out
of
the way to help squeeze another decimal or so onto the fleet MPG figure as
mandated by our very own US government. A vacuum or electric operated
cover
for the wipers would address your concern, but at a co$t.
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GM has been doing the tuck-away wipers since the early 70's and the .01%
difference
they might have made then wasn't a concern. They do them because of the
Invented Here bias - it's the old "we've been doing them this way for 20
years
and we think they look cool so we are going to keep doing them"
Ted |
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Waldo
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Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:55 am Post subject:
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Bret Chase wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:22:07 -0500, Waldo <waldo2@nospam.ca> wrote:
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:|Silver Surfer wrote:
:|> Let me take a guess at why the GM wipers are designed as they are presently.
:|> It probably has to do with aerodynamics. The wipers are tucked down out of
:|> the way to help squeeze another decimal or so onto the fleet MPG figure as
:|> mandated by our very own US government. A vacuum or electric operated cover
:|> for the wipers would address your concern, but at a co$t.
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:|Yeah, you're probably right about why they do it the way
:|they do. But on the other hand, other manufacturers seem to
:|be able to install the wipers where they are accessible (and
:|on the warmed surface of the windshield where the defroster
:|blows) and still achieve decent mpg figures. Perhaps they
:|could figure out a way to direct warm air from the inside
:|heater system onto the wiper area - but then I suppose they
:|don't want you to warm the vehicle up for 5 or 10 minutes
:|before driving away.
:|
:|But, I'd bet a buck that if their CEO or other big shots
:|lived in parts of the continent where winter extremes occur
:|and had to park their vehicles outside that some bright
:|engineer would come up with a cheap solution quickly.
:|
:|Waldo
uhhh GM's WHQ is in Detroit, MI, while it's not northern ontario, it
they do get a real winter there.
-Bret
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Yeah, I know that. But do they park their vehicles outside
or in a nice heated garage attached to a fancy mansion?
Maybe they even have someone else to look after their car
for them so they don't get their tootsies cold chipping ice off.
My '73 Chevelle had these things, but they weren't hidden
away as deep as my '04 Venture is. Still think it's a piss
poor design!
Waldo |
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Baral'heia
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Thu Jan 06, 2005 1:39 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Constant annoying "chimes" for just about everything, including
locking the doors and
when you forget to wipe your butt.
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You think GM is bad about that? Try Ford. I wasn't able to talk my
parents out of getting an 04 Expedition... and if you don't put on your
seatbelt, the car will make a very annoying chime every 30 seconds
until you do. It'll even throw a huge fit if your windshield washer
fluid is too low. You can turn them off... but it's the usual Ford
procedure - put in key, turn ignition on, turn ignition off, press the
emergency flasher button, open the rear liftgate while simultaneously
beating your head into the steering wheel, etc, etc. :-P |
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Awmd95
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Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject:
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When will you people learn if you want a high quality vehicle in a domestic
brand you must buy high end. I have owned lincolns, corvettes, cadillacs and
didnt have a bit of trouble with them until well after 120,000 miles which is
also when toyota, honda and bmw start having problems as I have owned them as
well. |
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