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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:49 am Post subject:
Are you in favor of an SUV endorsement? |
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Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
mayhem!
They need an SUV endorsement!
Let's listen to what this man got to say...
"There are no unsafe vehicles. Only unsafe drivers."
Well, that's stretching it a bit, but I think you catch my drift.
I'm fanatical about safety. Been to 12 driving schools, and have
certain
habits I think all SUV owners should develop.
1. Of course, seatbelts. Not only for your own protection, but for
everyone else's. An SUV can throw you far enough to be nowhere near
the
controls while still being *in* the vehicle.
2. I always ride the right edge of the lane I'm in, since most folks
can't
see around me. And if someone's trying to get a look around me for
passing
on a two-lane, I put the right side onto the shoulder so they can see.
3. This one's my favorite, and I was a strong advocate of it for
motorcycles, to no avail: Tiered Licensing.
Basically, require a special license for driving certain vehicles, and
make
the test tough, including emergency handling, safe following distance,
ultra-conservative passing practices, etc.
And give tickets for SUV's not riding the right edge of the lane. And
suspend the license's SUV endorsement for especially dangerous
activities
like speeding (speed doesn't kill -- differences in speeds kill. 90mph
isn't dangerous unless you're passing someone doing 70 or there's
oncoming
traffic) and tailgating. And like I think we should do with all
vehicles;
mandatory long jail time for DUI (attempted manslaughter, in my book).
4. Tack more onto the price of these things to discourage some of the
pretenders. And use that money to fund 3rd-party attempts at making
them
more efficient and safe.
5. Mandatory impact heights. The technology exists (for a price -- oh
well) to let these things ride at a nice low level while still allowing
for
increased clearance when needed. Their mass is still a problem, but if
they don't ride up over the passengers of other cars, the people in
those
other cars have a much better chance of survival if they're belted in.
Perhaps a "cow-catcher" type of arrangement that deploys only under
heavy
braking.
Personally, the people who buy these things just for looks tick me off
enough that it wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit if we had to demonstrate
a
need for one of these vehicles before being allowed to buy them.
And, as tired as I am of dirty looks and occasionally being flipped off
when mine's loaded full of lumber and hauling an equally-loaded
trailer,
I'm even more tempted to flip off the guys and gals talking on their
cell
phones while blasting past my mud-encrusted Sub in their
never-seen-dirt
versions while tailgating Metros at high speed.
The people are the problem; not the vehicles.
And if knowing that they're paying $50k for a $30k vehicle doesn't
discourage them, there need to be other ways to deal with the problem.
The automakers have a right to a profit, and they owe it to their
shareholders to make as much as they can. I have a right to buy as
much
vehicle as I need. However, others have a right to not be in danger of
my
killing them with my monster ute.
I don't think all of these rights are mutually exclusive if enough
thought
is put into the problem.
I'm very much a tree-hugger myself ("Mother Earth News", "Home Power",
40
acres, most of which is very actively managed as wildlife habitat,
etc),
but the rights of the more radical of my ilk aren't more important than
my
rights and mine aren't more important than theirs.
Enough tiradin' for me. Would be interested in your thoughts.
http://www.mihalis.net/public/reasonable_SUV.html
http://committed.to/justiceforpeace
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John Harlow
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:49 am Post subject:
Re: Are you in favor of an SUV endorsement? |
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| Quote: | Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
mayhem!
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Oh yeah,we need more beauracracy. We have way too many personal freedoms as
it is. |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:49 am Post subject:
Re: Are you in favor of an SUV endorsement? |
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The freedom to reckless driving and mayhem is somewhat inconvenient to
smaller vehicle though.
Besides the money raised can be used to support the troops in Iraq, a
war that has the full support of SUV drivers.
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Laura Bush murdered her b
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:49 am Post subject:
Re: Are you in favor of an SUV endorsement? |
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<<<1. Of course, seatbelts. Not only for your own protection, but for
everyone else's. An SUV can throw you far enough to be nowhere near
the controls while still being *in* the vehicle.>>>>
Interesting point. Even my infinite intelligence hadn't thought of
that. I've always felt that drivers who don't buckle up are hurting
only themselves so hell with it. But as you point out, if you lose
control of the vehicle, the seat belt keeps you in place so you can
regain control before you hit another car and put a family in the
morgue. I ALWAYS wear a seatbelt and consequently never realized what
can happen if you don't buckle up. So the non-bucklers endanger not
only themselves but also other people. I |
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David Keenan
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:49 am Post subject:
Re: Are you in favor of an SUV endorsement? |
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"DonQuixote-v-Windmills" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103603649.821224.272710@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
mayhem!
They need an SUV endorsement!
*SNIP*
I always ride the right edge of the lane I'm in,
since most folks can'ts ee around me. And if
someone's trying to get a look around me for
passing on a two-lane, I put the right side onto
the shoulder so they can see.
Being able to see *through* and see what the |
vahicle in front of the SUV can help a great deal.
Driving schools encourage looking through if
possible, and seeing brake lights up ahead gives
you advance notice, in case the car in the middle
will stop quickly or swerve. One maddening thing
is when a blacked-out SUV moves off your lane
and exposes a stopped car up ahead in your lane.
| Quote: |
Basically, require a special license for driving
certain vehicles, and make the test tough, including
emergency handling, safe following distance,
ultra-conservative passing practices, etc.
If SUVs (in California) could be considered Commercial |
Vehicles (and not just the same as the little four-popper
toy pick-ups) then the DMV could impose stricter rules
just as is required for delivery vans and 'machinery' trucks.
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(speed doesn't kill -- differences in speeds kill. 90mph
isn't dangerous unless you're passing someone doing 70x
the test tough, including oncoming traffic) and tailgating.
90MPH seems dangerous in anything other than a sports |
car in good road conditions -- I got my Jeep Wrangler up
to about 80 on an open highway and that was about it.
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Mandatory impact heights. The technology exists
(for a price -- oh well) to let these things ride at a
nice low level while still allowing for increased clearance
when needed. Their mass is still a problem, but if
they don't ride up over the passengers of other cars,
the people in those other cars have a much better
chance of survival if they're belted in. Perhaps a
"cow-catcher" type of arrangement that deploys
only under heavy braking.
Newer SUVs have those stability bars that take out |
all the ground clearance anyhow -- other than dominating
with bright, high headlights and blocking views, what is the
point of high ride height, especially if the driver needs to
bolt on step tubes or RV 'staples' to the frame so that
they can climb onto the howda with the adjusting pedals?
I sat in an SUV at a car show, and there were so many
blind spots with the huge pillars (all four) and absolutely
no view under the shoulder level out the back. Anything
smaller than a bus would be invisible, whether directly
behind or in the blind spot off the right rear fender. And
I'm 6'4". |
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Polarhound
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:48 pm Post subject:
Re: Are you in favor of an SUV endorsement? |
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John Harlow wrote:
| Quote: | Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
mayhem!
Oh yeah,we need more beauracracy. We have way too many personal freedoms as
it is.
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Or you can just FIX the farm-business exemption that allows any business
owner to write off half of the purchase price of any SUV. |
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Tealc
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:50 pm Post subject:
Re: Are you in favor of an SUV endorsement? |
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"DonQuixote-v-Windmills" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103603649.821224.272710@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
mayhem!
They need an SUV endorsement!
Let's listen to what this man got to say...
"There are no unsafe vehicles. Only unsafe drivers."
Well, that's stretching it a bit, but I think you catch my drift.
I'm fanatical about safety. Been to 12 driving schools, and have
certain
habits I think all SUV owners should develop.
1. Of course, seatbelts. Not only for your own protection, but for
everyone else's. An SUV can throw you far enough to be nowhere near
the
controls while still being *in* the vehicle.
2. I always ride the right edge of the lane I'm in, since most folks
can't
see around me. And if someone's trying to get a look around me for
passing
on a two-lane, I put the right side onto the shoulder so they can see.
3. This one's my favorite, and I was a strong advocate of it for
motorcycles, to no avail: Tiered Licensing.
Basically, require a special license for driving certain vehicles, and
make
the test tough, including emergency handling, safe following distance,
ultra-conservative passing practices, etc.
And give tickets for SUV's not riding the right edge of the lane. And
suspend the license's SUV endorsement for especially dangerous
activities
like speeding (speed doesn't kill -- differences in speeds kill. 90mph
isn't dangerous unless you're passing someone doing 70 or there's
oncoming
traffic) and tailgating. And like I think we should do with all
vehicles;
mandatory long jail time for DUI (attempted manslaughter, in my book).
4. Tack more onto the price of these things to discourage some of the
pretenders. And use that money to fund 3rd-party attempts at making
them
more efficient and safe.
5. Mandatory impact heights. The technology exists (for a price -- oh
well) to let these things ride at a nice low level while still allowing
for
increased clearance when needed. Their mass is still a problem, but if
they don't ride up over the passengers of other cars, the people in
those
other cars have a much better chance of survival if they're belted in.
Perhaps a "cow-catcher" type of arrangement that deploys only under
heavy
braking.
Personally, the people who buy these things just for looks tick me off
enough that it wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit if we had to demonstrate
a
need for one of these vehicles before being allowed to buy them.
And, as tired as I am of dirty looks and occasionally being flipped off
when mine's loaded full of lumber and hauling an equally-loaded
trailer,
I'm even more tempted to flip off the guys and gals talking on their
cell
phones while blasting past my mud-encrusted Sub in their
never-seen-dirt
versions while tailgating Metros at high speed.
The people are the problem; not the vehicles.
And if knowing that they're paying $50k for a $30k vehicle doesn't
discourage them, there need to be other ways to deal with the problem.
The automakers have a right to a profit, and they owe it to their
shareholders to make as much as they can. I have a right to buy as
much
vehicle as I need. However, others have a right to not be in danger of
my
killing them with my monster ute.
I don't think all of these rights are mutually exclusive if enough
thought
is put into the problem.
I'm very much a tree-hugger myself ("Mother Earth News", "Home Power",
40
acres, most of which is very actively managed as wildlife habitat,
etc),
but the rights of the more radical of my ilk aren't more important than
my
rights and mine aren't more important than theirs.
Enough tiradin' for me. Would be interested in your thoughts.
http://www.mihalis.net/public/reasonable_SUV.html
http://committed.to/justiceforpeace
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here in the good old UK we call it Compulsive Obsessive Disorder
Sad Really |
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Tealc
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:51 pm Post subject:
Re: Are you in favor of an SUV endorsement? |
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"David Keenan" <dckeenan@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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"DonQuixote-v-Windmills" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103603649.821224.272710@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
mayhem!
They need an SUV endorsement!
*SNIP*
I always ride the right edge of the lane I'm in,
since most folks can'ts ee around me. And if
someone's trying to get a look around me for
passing on a two-lane, I put the right side onto
the shoulder so they can see.
Being able to see *through* and see what the
vahicle in front of the SUV can help a great deal.
Driving schools encourage looking through if
possible, and seeing brake lights up ahead gives
you advance notice, in case the car in the middle
will stop quickly or swerve. One maddening thing
is when a blacked-out SUV moves off your lane
and exposes a stopped car up ahead in your lane.
Basically, require a special license for driving
certain vehicles, and make the test tough, including
emergency handling, safe following distance,
ultra-conservative passing practices, etc.
If SUVs (in California) could be considered Commercial
Vehicles (and not just the same as the little four-popper
toy pick-ups) then the DMV could impose stricter rules
just as is required for delivery vans and 'machinery' trucks.
(speed doesn't kill -- differences in speeds kill. 90mph
isn't dangerous unless you're passing someone doing 70x
the test tough, including oncoming traffic) and tailgating.
90MPH seems dangerous in anything other than a sports
car in good road conditions -- I got my Jeep Wrangler up
to about 80 on an open highway and that was about it.
Mandatory impact heights. The technology exists
(for a price -- oh well) to let these things ride at a
nice low level while still allowing for increased clearance
when needed. Their mass is still a problem, but if
they don't ride up over the passengers of other cars,
the people in those other cars have a much better
chance of survival if they're belted in. Perhaps a
"cow-catcher" type of arrangement that deploys
only under heavy braking.
Newer SUVs have those stability bars that take out
all the ground clearance anyhow -- other than dominating
with bright, high headlights and blocking views, what is the
point of high ride height, especially if the driver needs to
bolt on step tubes or RV 'staples' to the frame so that
they can climb onto the howda with the adjusting pedals?
I sat in an SUV at a car show, and there were so many
blind spots with the huge pillars (all four) and absolutely
no view under the shoulder level out the back. Anything
smaller than a bus would be invisible, whether directly
behind or in the blind spot off the right rear fender. And
I'm 6'4".
Is that a reflection on a jeep Wrangler or keenan |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject:
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David Keenan wrote:
| Quote: | 90MPH seems dangerous in anything other than a sports
car in good road conditions -- I got my Jeep Wrangler up
to about 80 on an open highway and that was about it.
Mandatory impact heights. The technology exists
(for a price -- oh well) to let these things ride at a
nice low level while still allowing for increased clearance
when needed. Their mass is still a problem, but if
they don't ride up over the passengers of other cars,
the people in those other cars have a much better
chance of survival if they're belted in. Perhaps a
"cow-catcher" type of arrangement that deploys
only under heavy braking.
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In agreement with the speed differential, but too fast for any SUV.
They do it ALL the time though. :(
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Newer SUVs have those stability bars that take out
all the ground clearance anyhow -- other than dominating
with bright, high headlights and blocking views, what is the
point of high ride height, especially if the driver needs to
bolt on step tubes or RV 'staples' to the frame so that
they can climb onto the howda with the adjusting pedals?
I sat in an SUV at a car show, and there were so many
blind spots with the huge pillars (all four) and absolutely
no view under the shoulder level out the back. Anything
smaller than a bus would be invisible, whether directly
behind or in the blind spot off the right rear fender. And
I'm 6'4".
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I'm sure that can add to an exhilarating if dangerous driving
experience. ;) |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject:
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Tealc wrote:
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here in the good old UK we call it Compulsive Obsessive Disorder
Sad Really
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This syndrome--or should I call it disease?--is very prevalent in
America though. I think it's related to the Napoleon complex... ;) |
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:31 pm Post subject:
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| If someone wants an SUV, let them buy one. Fuck those wacko liberals. |
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Keith Schiffner
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:12 pm Post subject:
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"John Harlow" <sirsausage@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you
will, just like
motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones
causing the
mayhem!
Oh yeah,we need more beauracracy. We have way too many
personal freedoms as it is.
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The original is a Trolling turd...and frankly most people
ARE NOT skilled enough to drive anything larger than a Geo
Metro. |
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Keith Schiffner
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject:
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<sirkeith17@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | If someone wants an SUV, let them buy one. Fuck those
wacko liberals.
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Personally I'd just as soon shoot all extremists.
Now hold still boy...wouldn't want you to suffer much. |
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bowman
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:20 pm Post subject:
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Keith Schiffner wrote:
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The original is a Trolling turd...and frankly most people
ARE NOT skilled enough to drive anything larger than a Geo
Metro.
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It takes a good deal of skill to drive a Geo -- sort of like navigating
through a sea of icebergs, except icebergs aren't driven by assholes with
cell phones.
What I've been wondering about is the glacial rate at which those things
leave a stoplight. Do they truly have less performance than a Geo, or can't
their operators find the accelerator? |
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Keith Schiffner
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:41 pm Post subject:
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"bowman" <bowman@montana.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Keith Schiffner wrote:
The original is a Trolling turd...and frankly most people
ARE NOT skilled enough to drive anything larger than a
Geo
Metro.
It takes a good deal of skill to drive a Geo -- sort of
like navigating
through a sea of icebergs, except icebergs aren't driven
by assholes with
cell phones.
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I should be more accurate shouldn't I? A 1990 Geo Metro with
an automatic transmission...way easy to safely drive. Takes
a bit of skill to make it perform...damn FWD just wont
oversteer without setting up the suspension in a way that
wears out parts quick.
| Quote: | What I've been wondering about is the glacial rate at
which those things
leave a stoplight. Do they truly have less performance
than a Geo, or can't
their operators find the accelerator?
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I suspect the answer is YES. What's scary is that I've a 84'
G20 (6.2l Diesel) conversion van that rarely doesn't out
accelerate most SUV's for the first 60' then they catch up
as the motor is TIRED. Not worn out just very tired...guess
it's time to search junk yards for a donor motor.
--
Nefarious Necrologist 42nd Degree
Some people ride, some just like to show off their butt
jewelry once in a while.
Dum vivimus, vivamus
<:(3 )3~~ <:(3 )3~ <:(3 )3~
<:(3 )~ <:(3 )~ |
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