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Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject:
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That is you trouble you live in a dream world of windmills, not
the real world. Bike riders can have all the bike lanes they
want. All they need do is pay for them, as vehicle owners pay
for their roads with their license fees and fuel taxes. You
should be glad those that pay for the roads let bikes share them
for free. Bikes and their riders should be licensed and bike
lanes could be paid for with tolls. Trust me building more bike
lanes in the US for free is not going to happen, at least not in
the real world where the rest of us reside. ;)
mike hunt
DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
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sierra_bardot <sierra_bardot@yahoo.com> wrote:
I suppose we have to develop our listening abilities. s
I say it specifically because I have gone to bicycle groups to propose
bike lanes, and they don't want them; to the car groups to propose
stricter licensing for SUVs because they are a threat to others, and
they don't want to hear; to the radio groups saying too many strident
commercials on the hour, and they ignore it; and the stupid drug
prohibition that generates so much crime, and the parks being off
limits to families because the homeless camp out there, and the Parking
Authority who prays on the poor with a vengeance, and the littering,
and the stupid policy on terrorism, and the bay with all the junk
floating. So Americanus Raptor, the last dinosaur on Earth, refuses to
evolve... |
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Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:53 pm Post subject:
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No, you have the lock on that. ;)
mike hunt
DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
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MelvinGibson@mailcity.com wrote:
If my name changed how did you know it was me that
posted? LOL
Did you make any stupid comments? |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:52 pm Post subject:
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MelvinGibson@mailcity.com wrote:
| Quote: | Now that is funny. Obviously you know nothing of what goes on in
nature as well. Get back to use when you finish your education
LOL
I got entertained by your stupid television for too long. |
BBC nature shows are needed here...
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject:
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MelvinGibson@mailcity.com wrote:
| Quote: | Still looking for that windmill it appears.
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Are you the windmill keeper? |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject:
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MelvinGibson@mailcity.com wrote:
| Quote: | No, you have the lock on that. ;)
You are pretty smart for a windmill keeper... ;) |
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Olaf Gustafson
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:18 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:56:38 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:35:54 -0700, Olaf Gustafson <none@dev.null
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:11:04 -0500, IleneDover@mailcity.com wrote:
The poor don't use oil?
You think the poor profit from oil?
You think the poor can't profit from investment, while the rest of us
recognize that they are poor because they don't invest.
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That's not the only reason they're poor - hell, they could've invested
in Enron.
And don't give us that crap that only fools invested in Enron.
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Please don't give us that crap that they can't afford to - they can't
afford not to.
Please don't give us that crap that it is impossible - I started with
investing $20 a month, and accumulated $250,000 within 15 years.
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And if you really turned $20 a month into $250,000 in 15 years, you
must have made some excellent investment choices. But I suspect that
you're not telling us that it's been a long time since you only
invested $20 a month.
But even with investing $20 a month, the poor aren't likely to get
rich from oil. |
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Keith Schiffner
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:31 am Post subject:
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"Olaf Gustafson" <none@dev.null> wrote in message
news:7hv8t0hr42m2b3fu9s3ab1g37lotf5ut9l@4ax.com...
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| Quote: | But even with investing $20 a month, the poor aren't
likely to get
rich from oil.
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lol too volatile for me. My money is tied up in cannabis and
poppy futures. ;^) The profit potential offsets the loss
potential. YVORMV
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Kicking peoples sense of reality in the balls since 1966
Nefarious Necrologist 42nd Degree
Some people ride, some just like to show off their butt
jewelry once in a while.
Dum vivimus, vivamus
<:(3 )3~ <:(3 )3~ <:(3 )~ <:(3 )~ |
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:43 am Post subject:
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Perhaps not but oil helps keep them well fed. The US produces
most of the worlds food, and oil is one of the primary things
that makes that possible. Do some research as to what is done
with all of the things that come from the oil used by the US,
WBMA
mike hunt
Loaf Gustafson wrote:
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:56:38 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:35:54 -0700, Olaf Gustafson <none@dev.null
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:11:04 -0500, IleneDover@mailcity.com wrote:
The poor don't use oil?
You think the poor profit from oil?
You think the poor can't profit from investment, while the rest of us
recognize that they are poor because they don't invest.
That's not the only reason they're poor - hell, they could've invested
in Enron.
And don't give us that crap that only fools invested in Enron.
Please don't give us that crap that they can't afford to - they can't
afford not to.
Please don't give us that crap that it is impossible - I started with
investing $20 a month, and accumulated $250,000 within 15 years.
And if you really turned $20 a month into $250,000 in 15 years, you
must have made some excellent investment choices. But I suspect that
you're not telling us that it's been a long time since you only
invested $20 a month.
But even with investing $20 a month, the poor aren't likely to get
rich from oil. |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 4:51 am Post subject:
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Keith Schiffner wrote:
| Quote: | "Olaf Gustafson" <none@dev.null> wrote in message
news:7hv8t0hr42m2b3fu9s3ab1g37lotf5ut9l@4ax.com...
SNIP
But even with investing $20 a month, the poor aren't
likely to get
rich from oil.
lol too volatile for me. My money is tied up in cannabis and
poppy futures. ;^) The profit potential offsets the loss
potential. YVORMV
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Don't plan too much on it because we plan to decriminalize it.
Holland has little crime and no SUVs. Only bikes, so get used to it. |
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Sancho Panza
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:13 am Post subject:
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"Nate Nagel" <njnagel@flycast.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | You have quoted several statements that I've made, all of them factual,
and then dismissed them out of hand with a vague reference to NHTSA.
I do not think that I'm the one without a leg to stand on, here.
As I and others have repeatedly stated, do your own research. If you're
prepared to have an intelligent discussion, fine, but you have made no
assertions that have not already been disproven in this newsgroup (yes,
with cites to actual studies) nor have you provided any cites of your
own to discuss.
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The facts stand. You made a statement. You were asked to back it up. You did
not. You can tap dance all you want. The facts speak for themselves. You
appear unable even to recount your past posts. And thank you for
instructing. But I'll do the research for the assertions I make. Not for
people who offer their opinions or anecdotes. Welcome again to a sphere in
which all can see what a insult it is to post opinions as facts without any
basis to back them up. People who do that should expect to be challenged. |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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BigJohnson@mailcity.com wrote:
| Quote: | Perhaps not but oil helps keep them well fed. The US produces
most of the worlds food, and oil is one of the primary things
that makes that possible. Do some research as to what is done
with all of the things that come from the oil used by the US,
WBMA
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You are going to make us cry with statement that oil goes to produce
food, which in turn goes to feed the poor children in Africa... :(
What a pity is not true. Actually goes to move the stupid SUVs and feed
that Oil Kingdom in the Middle East...
"some 70 percent of oil is used in transportation, four-fifths of that
by cars and trucks."
"We have a strong relationship with Saudi Arabia and oil independence
for the US would amount to a huge economic hit to them,"
But new technologies are possible--provided we dump our Oil Kingdom or
make him diversify--and that's the point of this article...
'The "New Apollo Project" is a plan backed by labor and environmental
groups. Modeled after America's decade-long push to put a man on the
moon, it would invest $300 billion over 10 years in dozens of energy
projects from hybrid cars to factories to high-speed rail. Predicted
result: 3.3 million new jobs; some 91 million high-mileage vehicles on
the road; a $284 billion savings from a 16 percent reduction in energy
use; and at least a 54 percent cut in Persian Gulf oil imports.'
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1021/p13s02-stct.html
Sadly it doesn't mention common sense approaches such as the bicycle
that can save even more gas. The solution is both TECHNOLOGICAL AND LOW
TECH. But the key word is GIVING OPTIONS TO THE PEOPLE. |
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DTJ
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:16 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:18:45 -0700, Olaf Gustafson <none@dev.null>
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| Quote: | Please don't give us that crap that it is impossible - I started with
investing $20 a month, and accumulated $250,000 within 15 years.
And if you really turned $20 a month into $250,000 in 15 years, you
must have made some excellent investment choices. But I suspect that
you're not telling us that it's been a long time since you only
invested $20 a month.
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I won't go into all of the details of my personal finances. However,
I invested that $20 for the first few years, and then stopped. I was
working at a company that paid approximately $1200 a year in profit
sharing. After about 8 years I went to a company where I saved about
$5000 a year for 5 years in a 401K. I took that money, less than $50k
total, and turned it into a quarter million very easily. Total time
may have been slightly more than 15 years now that I count them.
Guaranteed no more than 20.
The biggest issue the poor have is that the rich (read that as
liberals in control of the country) teach them they can't save, and
when they do save, they should only invest in bank accounts. All the
rich people are busy investing in stocks.
When I took the ~$50k and began controlling my investments myself, I
went from annual returns of less than 10%, to 28% the first year.
Every year I increased the yield, maxing out at 51%. Better than most
- yes. Unusual - not at all. |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:48 am Post subject:
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Sancho Panza wrote:
| Quote: | The facts stand. You made a statement. You were asked to back it up.
You did
not. You can tap dance all you want. The facts speak for themselves.
You
appear unable even to recount your past posts. And thank you for
instructing. But I'll do the research for the assertions I make. Not
for
people who offer their opinions or anecdotes. Welcome again to a
sphere in
which all can see what a insult it is to post opinions as facts
without any
basis to back them up. People who do that should expect to be
challenged. |
Howdy Sancho
Very good job righting the wrongs. But listen, I got a proposal.
There's this place for the Quixotes of the environment and maybe we can
win the price (sure I'll give you a commission). Anyways I contacted
them a couple of times without success. If you want to follow up
($75K!)...
Don Quixotes of the environment
The stories of six Goldman Environmental Prize winners who act on their
determination to save the environment.
by Monte Leach
The Goldman Environmental Prize was established in 1989 by Richard and
Rhoda Goldman in San Francisco. A $75,000 prize is awarded each year to
environmental activists from each of the earth's six inhabited
continents. The winners are nominated by a network of 19 environmental
organizations and selected by an international panel of environmental
experts.
"I feel like Don Quixote, but quite the contrary," says Marina Silva.
"Don Quixote fought windmills, thinking he was fighting giants. I fight
giants thinking I am fighting windmills."
Silva, and her five colleagues from around the world who recently won
the Goldman Environmental prize, are all Don Quixotes fighting against
those who would harm the environment.
http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et0298/et0298s6.html |
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Nate Nagel
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:48 am Post subject:
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Sancho Panza wrote:
| Quote: | "Nate Nagel" <njnagel@flycast.net> wrote in message
news:4OKdnUsmf-bnEU7cRVn-vg@comcast.com...
You have quoted several statements that I've made, all of them factual,
and then dismissed them out of hand with a vague reference to NHTSA.
I do not think that I'm the one without a leg to stand on, here.
As I and others have repeatedly stated, do your own research. If you're
prepared to have an intelligent discussion, fine, but you have made no
assertions that have not already been disproven in this newsgroup (yes,
with cites to actual studies) nor have you provided any cites of your
own to discuss.
The facts stand. You made a statement. You were asked to back it up. You did
not. You can tap dance all you want. The facts speak for themselves. You
appear unable even to recount your past posts. And thank you for
instructing. But I'll do the research for the assertions I make. Not for
people who offer their opinions or anecdotes. Welcome again to a sphere in
which all can see what a insult it is to post opinions as facts without any
basis to back them up. People who do that should expect to be challenged.
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As I thought, just another blowhard too lazy to cite cites or do a
google search. No need to prolong the agony, don't bother to reply.
nate
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replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:48 am Post subject:
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DTJ wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:18:45 -0700, Olaf Gustafson <none@dev.null
wrote:
Please don't give us that crap that it is impossible - I started
with
investing $20 a month, and accumulated $250,000 within 15 years.
And if you really turned $20 a month into $250,000 in 15 years, you
must have made some excellent investment choices. But I suspect
that
you're not telling us that it's been a long time since you only
invested $20 a month.
I won't go into all of the details of my personal finances. However,
I invested that $20 for the first few years, and then stopped. I was
working at a company that paid approximately $1200 a year in profit
sharing. After about 8 years I went to a company where I saved about
$5000 a year for 5 years in a 401K. I took that money, less than
$50k
total, and turned it into a quarter million very easily. Total time
may have been slightly more than 15 years now that I count them.
Guaranteed no more than 20.
The biggest issue the poor have is that the rich (read that as
liberals in control of the country) teach them they can't save, and
when they do save, they should only invest in bank accounts. All the
rich people are busy investing in stocks.
When I took the ~$50k and began controlling my investments myself, I
went from annual returns of less than 10%, to 28% the first year.
Every year I increased the yield, maxing out at 51%. Better than
most
- yes. Unusual - not at all.
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In the jungle not all can be predators, common sense. Maybe 20% at the
most, then the 80% provide easy prey for the rest, be it Republican or
Democrat.
Only solution is the 80% to get together and cooperate. It's called
COOPERATIVES. They can even have a better life than the
predators--without money. Don't believe me? |
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