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Tim Kreitz
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:54 pm Post subject:
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
| Quote: | Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
mayhem!
They need an SUV endorsement!
Let's listen to what this man got to say...
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Yep, it must be winter again. It's apparently too cold for all the
trolls to leave their houses, so they double their efforts at posting
mindless bullshit to usenet.
C'mon summer.
Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2000 ZX6R
http://www.timkreitz.com
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:14 pm Post subject:
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If SUVs (in California) could be considered Commercial
Vehicles (and not just the same as the little four-popper
toy pick-ups) then the DMV could impose stricter rules
just as is required for delivery vans and 'machinery' trucks.
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:25 pm Post subject:
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Why not make the bumpers higher on the small cars? After all a
small vehicle is the more dangerous vehicle
in which to ride according to the NHTSA. Properly belted
passengers in a large vehicle, like an SUV, have a much greater
chance of surviving a collision. I is that fact the more
children are riding in larger vehicles that has resulted in the
sharp decline in injuries and deaths among children over the past
five years in the US. ;)
mike hunt
DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
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Sure we need a tougher license, an endorsement if you will, just like
motorcyclists, but for SUV drivers. They are the ones causing the
mayhem!
They need an SUV endorsement!
Let's listen to what this man got to say...
"There are no unsafe vehicles. Only unsafe drivers."
Well, that's stretching it a bit, but I think you catch my drift.
I'm fanatical about safety. Been to 12 driving schools, and have
certain
habits I think all SUV owners should develop.
1. Of course, seatbelts. Not only for your own protection, but for
everyone else's. An SUV can throw you far enough to be nowhere near
the
controls while still being *in* the vehicle.
2. I always ride the right edge of the lane I'm in, since most folks
can't
see around me. And if someone's trying to get a look around me for
passing
on a two-lane, I put the right side onto the shoulder so they can see.
3. This one's my favorite, and I was a strong advocate of it for
motorcycles, to no avail: Tiered Licensing.
Basically, require a special license for driving certain vehicles, and
make
the test tough, including emergency handling, safe following distance,
ultra-conservative passing practices, etc.
And give tickets for SUV's not riding the right edge of the lane. And
suspend the license's SUV endorsement for especially dangerous
activities
like speeding (speed doesn't kill -- differences in speeds kill. 90mph
isn't dangerous unless you're passing someone doing 70 or there's
oncoming
traffic) and tailgating. And like I think we should do with all
vehicles;
mandatory long jail time for DUI (attempted manslaughter, in my book).
4. Tack more onto the price of these things to discourage some of the
pretenders. And use that money to fund 3rd-party attempts at making
them
more efficient and safe.
5. Mandatory impact heights. The technology exists (for a price -- oh
well) to let these things ride at a nice low level while still allowing
for
increased clearance when needed. Their mass is still a problem, but if
they don't ride up over the passengers of other cars, the people in
those
other cars have a much better chance of survival if they're belted in.
Perhaps a "cow-catcher" type of arrangement that deploys only under
heavy
braking.
Personally, the people who buy these things just for looks tick me off
enough that it wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit if we had to demonstrate
a
need for one of these vehicles before being allowed to buy them.
And, as tired as I am of dirty looks and occasionally being flipped off
when mine's loaded full of lumber and hauling an equally-loaded
trailer,
I'm even more tempted to flip off the guys and gals talking on their
cell
phones while blasting past my mud-encrusted Sub in their
never-seen-dirt
versions while tailgating Metros at high speed.
The people are the problem; not the vehicles.
And if knowing that they're paying $50k for a $30k vehicle doesn't
discourage them, there need to be other ways to deal with the problem.
The automakers have a right to a profit, and they owe it to their
shareholders to make as much as they can. I have a right to buy as
much
vehicle as I need. However, others have a right to not be in danger of
my
killing them with my monster ute.
I don't think all of these rights are mutually exclusive if enough
thought
is put into the problem.
I'm very much a tree-hugger myself ("Mother Earth News", "Home Power",
40
acres, most of which is very actively managed as wildlife habitat,
etc),
but the rights of the more radical of my ilk aren't more important than
my
rights and mine aren't more important than theirs.
Enough tiradin' for me. Would be interested in your thoughts.
http://www.mihalis.net/public/reasonable_SUV.html
http://committed.to/justiceforpeace |
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:30 pm Post subject:
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Can you explain what do you mean by 'write off?' I believe you
don't understand federal tax laws.
mike hunt
Polarhound wrote:
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John Harlow wrote:
Or you can just FIX the farm-business exemption that
allows any business owner to write off half of the > purchase price of any SUV. |
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H.B. Elkins
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:49 pm Post subject:
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I am in favor of an SUV endorsement.
If someone will pay me to endorse an SUV, I will. ;-)
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:08 pm Post subject:
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sirkeith17@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | If someone wants an SUV, let them buy one. Fuck those wacko liberals.
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If someone wants a nuclear bomb, let them buy it. If someone wants, you
know, the stuff you sniff, let them but it. Who knows, maybe unlimited
freedom will be better than limited freedom that favors the powerful. |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:10 pm Post subject:
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sirkeith17@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | If someone wants an SUV, let them buy one. Fuck those wacko liberals.
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If someone wants a nuclear bomb, let them buy it. If someone wants, you
know, the stuff you sniff, let them but it. Who knows, maybe unlimited
freedom will be better than limited freedom that favors the powerful. |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:14 pm Post subject:
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bowman wrote:
| Quote: | Keith Schiffner wrote:
The original is a Trolling turd...and frankly most people
ARE NOT skilled enough to drive anything larger than a Geo
Metro.
It takes a good deal of skill to drive a Geo -- sort of like
navigating
through a sea of icebergs, except icebergs aren't driven by assholes
with
cell phones.
What I've been wondering about is the glacial rate at which those
things
leave a stoplight. Do they truly have less performance than a Geo, or
can't
their operators find the accelerator?
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Good point. Actually it is in an SUV that you don't need any skill. You
are protected by 5 tons of armor with no road bombs whatsover. |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:15 pm Post subject:
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bowman wrote:
| Quote: | Keith Schiffner wrote:
The original is a Trolling turd...and frankly most people
ARE NOT skilled enough to drive anything larger than a Geo
Metro.
It takes a good deal of skill to drive a Geo -- sort of like
navigating
through a sea of icebergs, except icebergs aren't driven by assholes
with
cell phones.
What I've been wondering about is the glacial rate at which those
things
leave a stoplight. Do they truly have less performance than a Geo, or
can't
their operators find the accelerator?
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Good point. Actually it is in an SUV that you don't need any skill. You
are protected by 5 tons of armor with no road bombs whatsover. |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:17 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Keith Schiffner wrote:
The original is a Trolling turd...and frankly most people
ARE NOT skilled enough to drive anything larger than a Geo
Metro.
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| Quote: | It takes a good deal of skill to drive a Geo -- sort of like
navigating
through a sea of icebergs, except icebergs aren't driven by assholes
with
cell phones.
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| Quote: | What I've been wondering about is the glacial rate at which those
things
leave a stoplight. Do they truly have less performance than a Geo, or
can't
their operators find the accelerator?
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Good point. Actually it is in an SUV that you don't need any skill. You
are protected by 5 tons of armor with no road bombs whatsover. |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Keith Schiffner wrote:
The original is a Trolling turd...and frankly most people
ARE NOT skilled enough to drive anything larger than a Geo
Metro.
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| Quote: | It takes a good deal of skill to drive a Geo -- sort of like
navigating
through a sea of icebergs, except icebergs aren't driven by assholes
with
cell phones.
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| Quote: | What I've been wondering about is the glacial rate at which those
things
leave a stoplight. Do they truly have less performance than a Geo, or
can't
their operators find the accelerator?
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Good point. Actually it is in an SUV that you don't need any skill. You
are protected by 5 tons of armor with no road bombs whatsover. |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:20 pm Post subject:
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H.B. Elkins wrote:
| Quote: | I am in favor of an SUV endorsement.
If someone will pay me to endorse an SUV, I will. ;-)
Do you look dumb? |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:21 pm Post subject:
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H.B. Elkins wrote:
| Quote: | I am in favor of an SUV endorsement.
If someone will pay me to endorse an SUV, I will. ;-)
Do you look dumb? |
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DonQuixote-v-Windmills
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:25 pm Post subject:
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Tim Kreitz wrote:
| Quote: | Yep, it must be winter again. It's apparently too cold for all the
trolls to leave their houses, so they double their efforts at posting
mindless bullshit to usenet.
C'mon summer.
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Only 'till summer, then we sign a truce. Of course, the terms of
surrender must be signed before. |
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Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:31 pm Post subject:
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SUV's are legal in the US but if I felt about them as
you do I would not buy one, as he suggested. However according
to the NHTSA SUV's are the safest vehicles in which to transport
you children, if you have any
mike hunt
DonQuixote-v-Windmills wrote:
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sirkeith17@hotmail.com wrote:
If someone wants an SUV, let them buy one. Fuck those wacko liberals.
If someone wants a nuclear bomb, let them buy it. If someone wants, you
know, the stuff you sniff, let them but it. Who knows, maybe unlimited
freedom will be better than limited freedom that favors the powerful. |
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