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Paradox
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:55 am Post subject:
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"Ray" <ray@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | GMdude wrote:
Ray,
You gotta love the '72 Nova. Great car.
When I get my 3 car garage, one day, it will have a Nova in it
('69-72).
Whatever I can find in good, "close-to-stock" shape. I had a '77 in high
school, but my love rests in the earlier years.
GMdude
Yeah, he's owned it now for about 12-13 years. Originally a 6 cyl, it's
now sporting a 350, buckets, air conditioning, new quarters, new
driver's side floor, new paint, and more that I can't remember. It's
his never ending project car. Might be doing engine #2 next year - the
"core" is on a stand in my garage while he decides how "wild" to go -
engine #1 was pretty much stock with a cam and intake.
Ray
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My parents had an orange 73 nova with the 350, incidentally they sold it
when I turned 15, I wonder why...
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Paradox
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:57 am Post subject:
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"R" <Bob34@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am getting annoyed at people's comments about some of the newer cars. I
have occasionally come to this site and try to offer advice....
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I agree with everything, except that the stock radios now are still crap. |
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J Grant
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:14 am Post subject:
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The trick with the old Nova's is to pull the engine and transmission,
and replace it with a late model engine with fuel injection and a 700r-4
transmission, and you have the best of both worlds...styling that can't
be matched with todays cars, and a powertrain that is going to be more
fuel efficient, and in most cases more powerful, with no cold start
problems. A few suspension upgrades, and you have a nice handling car,
which is something the original Nova suspension was not noted for. I've
had a 63, a 70, 71, and a 77. I still have the '71, but you pull the
hood, and instead of the 350 2 barrel, sits a really nice looking ,96
Corvette engine, complete with fuel injection, and a 4-speed automatic .
It will eat the original engine alive in acceleration, and gets about 26
mpg....over double what the original got. It was a little time
consuming, and aggravating as hell, to deal with the computer and all
associated wiring, but in the end well worth it. The real funny part
that catches a lot of people off guard...it still has the original
factory hubcaps with whitewall tires...like Granny's car! Nice quiet
pipes too.
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Harry Face
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:37 am Post subject:
Re: Cars Are Better Now Than They Ever Were!.DS |
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Smith,
I wouldn't Dwell on the fact you have to adjust yer points.
LOL !
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Harryface
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1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE
3800 V6 ( C ), Black/Slate Grey
_~_~_~295,865 miles_~_~_
~_~_~_~_U.S.A._~_~_~_~_~_
~~~The Former Fleet ~~~
89 Cavalier Z 24 convertible
78 Holiday 88 coupe
68 LeSabre convertible
73 Impala sedan |
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Full_Name
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 10:11 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:37:33 -0600, harryface@webtv.net (Harry Face)
wrote:
| Quote: | Smith,
I wouldn't Dwell on the fact you have to adjust yer points.
LOL !
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AGRHH.............. Very Punny.....
Rolling eyes... |
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Al Bundy
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject:
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"Chuck" <chuck@spamhater.com> wrote in message news:<XvLkd.274305$a85.249756@fed1read04>...
| Quote: | You are absolutely right.
Cars in general are far superior today in so many ways. Comfort, safety,
drivability, longevity and even price.
My main complaint and why I'll never own a GM again ( I have owned only GMs
and now Toyota) is GM's lack of quality in the simplest things. Alternator
bearings, fuel pumps and fuel gauge senders, hinge pins on the full sized
pickups and Suburbans, engine gaskets that don't seal properly. The list is
really long.
Look through this newsgroup and others like alt.trucks.chevy and
alt.autos.4x4.chevy.trucks.
Checkout the kind of problems others are having with their GMs.
Allot of these people are having real issues with basic lack of quality.
Notice too that a large number of these posters are having trouble with late
model GMs. I am calling 5-6 year old cars and trucks late model.
In my opinion most of these problems should have been avoided with proper
engineering and quality control.
Just for fun you might want to look through the Toyota based newsgroups. I
think you will find fewer serious flaws and quality issues.
You drive what ever makes you happy.
I know I will.
Chuck in Phoenix
"R" <Bob34@aol.com> wrote in message
news:vnykd.7415$_J2.5506@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
I am getting annoyed at people's comments about some of the newer cars. I
have occasionally come to this site and try to offer advice. If someone has
a problem, I am glad to try to help. But comments about new cars are
baffling to me. Like saying a new car should have a FUNCTIONING hood scoop.
Why? They make more power than almost any 60's car that had to have a
functioning scoop to gain power without one. Remember, the horsepower
rating was changed in 1972 to show net horsepower not gross horsepower.
That means that a car in 1970 that had 390 horse would equal about 315 in
todays ratings. Don't believe it? Check the quarter mile times. They will
bear it out using the power to weight ratio. I am 45 years old and when I
first got my license, it was in 1975. The cars we had were from the 60's
since we did not have the money for new ones. I thought that era was the
best. When I turned 21 and started going to bars, I listened to the older
guys say that the 50's cars were the best. I decided that I will not stick
to an era based on my age but judge cars based on the way they are. Back in
the 60's you had 12000 mile plugs, 6000 mile point adjustments with a 12000
mile replacement,12000 mile fuel filter and so on. As the points wore, the
cars performance changed. Now they run solid their whole life. They used to
have bias ply tires that were not speed rated and dangerous at high speed.
No air bags, no anti lock brakes, worse gas mileage,4 wheel drum brakes on
a 4200 pound car with much more brake fade. No crumple zones in the sheet
metal, no shoulder harness, junk radios from the factory, no factory
alarms, thin sway bars on heavy cars, 40 amp alternators(remember sitting
at idle and watching the amp gauge go to d(discharge)?) Just check these
performance times and you will see that the 60's and 70's cars can't touch
today. And now they are adding even more power. Before you say, yeah but
look at the prices, They say that 5000 dollars in 1966 is equal to 45000
today. The top performance cars then were 4200-6000 then. No difference.
Don't mean to open a can of worms but I want to give credit where credit is
due.
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml
Check the chart and you will see that you stiil go very fast but you ride
in more comfort and luxury(no vinyl seats or vinyl floors with no a/c and
vent windows) and much more safety all on unleaded gas with better milege
in a car that you can take on a trip because it doesn't have a 4.11 rear
end without overdrive and a lockup converter. My 2 cents
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well, I'm still driving an '83 Malibu with the original driveline,
untouched engine and transmission. It has cost almost nothing in
actual repairs. I wonder what it would cost to keep a new car running
for the next 20 years. Power and acceleration don't interest me in the
least. I just want to drive cheap. And by the way I only had one break
down needing a tow in all that time. |
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ABC
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:03 pm Post subject:
Re: Cars Are Better Now Than They Ever Were! |
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"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
news:1213ff7f.0411120330.1b6c66d6@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | "Chuck" <chuck@spamhater.com> wrote in message
news:<XvLkd.274305$a85.249756@fed1read04>...
You are absolutely right.
Cars in general are far superior today in so many ways. Comfort, safety,
drivability, longevity and even price.
My main complaint and why I'll never own a GM again ( I have owned only
GMs
and now Toyota) is GM's lack of quality in the simplest things.
Alternator
bearings, fuel pumps and fuel gauge senders, hinge pins on the full
sized
pickups and Suburbans, engine gaskets that don't seal properly. The list
is
really long.
Look through this newsgroup and others like alt.trucks.chevy and
alt.autos.4x4.chevy.trucks.
Checkout the kind of problems others are having with their GMs.
Allot of these people are having real issues with basic lack of quality.
Notice too that a large number of these posters are having trouble with
late
model GMs. I am calling 5-6 year old cars and trucks late model.
In my opinion most of these problems should have been avoided with
proper
engineering and quality control.
Just for fun you might want to look through the Toyota based newsgroups.
I
think you will find fewer serious flaws and quality issues.
You drive what ever makes you happy.
I know I will.
Chuck in Phoenix
"R" <Bob34@aol.com> wrote in message
news:vnykd.7415$_J2.5506@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
I am getting annoyed at people's comments about some of the newer cars.
I
have occasionally come to this site and try to offer advice. If someone
has
a problem, I am glad to try to help. But comments about new cars are
baffling to me. Like saying a new car should have a FUNCTIONING hood
scoop.
Why? They make more power than almost any 60's car that had to have a
functioning scoop to gain power without one. Remember, the horsepower
rating was changed in 1972 to show net horsepower not gross horsepower.
That means that a car in 1970 that had 390 horse would equal about 315
in
todays ratings. Don't believe it? Check the quarter mile times. They
will
bear it out using the power to weight ratio. I am 45 years old and when
I
first got my license, it was in 1975. The cars we had were from the
60's
since we did not have the money for new ones. I thought that era was
the
best. When I turned 21 and started going to bars, I listened to the
older
guys say that the 50's cars were the best. I decided that I will not
stick
to an era based on my age but judge cars based on the way they are.
Back in
the 60's you had 12000 mile plugs, 6000 mile point adjustments with a
12000
mile replacement,12000 mile fuel filter and so on. As the points wore,
the
cars performance changed. Now they run solid their whole life. They
used to
have bias ply tires that were not speed rated and dangerous at high
speed.
No air bags, no anti lock brakes, worse gas mileage,4 wheel drum brakes
on
a 4200 pound car with much more brake fade. No crumple zones in the
sheet
metal, no shoulder harness, junk radios from the factory, no factory
alarms, thin sway bars on heavy cars, 40 amp alternators(remember
sitting
at idle and watching the amp gauge go to d(discharge)?) Just check
these
performance times and you will see that the 60's and 70's cars can't
touch
today. And now they are adding even more power. Before you say, yeah
but
look at the prices, They say that 5000 dollars in 1966 is equal to
45000
today. The top performance cars then were 4200-6000 then. No
difference.
Don't mean to open a can of worms but I want to give credit where
credit is
due.
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml
Check the chart and you will see that you stiil go very fast but you
ride
in more comfort and luxury(no vinyl seats or vinyl floors with no a/c
and
vent windows) and much more safety all on unleaded gas with better
milege
in a car that you can take on a trip because it doesn't have a 4.11
rear
end without overdrive and a lockup converter. My 2 cents
well, I'm still driving an '83 Malibu with the original driveline,
untouched engine and transmission. It has cost almost nothing in
actual repairs. I wonder what it would cost to keep a new car running
for the next 20 years. Power and acceleration don't interest me in the
least. I just want to drive cheap. And by the way I only had one break
down needing a tow in all that time.
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The original post was about "old" cars (50s and 60s) not the "new" ones of
the 80s!! <G>
We used to hear the same thing back then. "They don't build them like they
used to" and I would say "Thank God". Those from the 30s and 40s would be
wore out when they got to 50K miles. |
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Ray
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Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:00 am Post subject:
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Paradox wrote:
| Quote: | "R" <Bob34@aol.com> wrote in message
news:vnykd.7415$_J2.5506@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
I am getting annoyed at people's comments about some of the newer cars. I
have occasionally come to this site and try to offer advice....
I agree with everything, except that the stock radios now are still crap.
And that really sucks with new cars and the whole integrated "audio |
entertainment systems" in them now. Imagine if 8 track decks and
cassette decks were as integrated... |
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Ray
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Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:04 am Post subject:
Re: Cars Are Better Now Than They Ever Were! |
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J Grant wrote:
| Quote: | The trick with the old Nova's is to pull the engine and transmission,
and replace it with a late model engine with fuel injection and a 700r-4
transmission, and you have the best of both worlds...styling that can't
be matched with todays cars, and a powertrain that is going to be more
fuel efficient, and in most cases more powerful, with no cold start
problems. A few suspension upgrades, and you have a nice handling car,
which is something the original Nova suspension was not noted for. I've
had a 63, a 70, 71, and a 77. I still have the '71, but you pull the
hood, and instead of the 350 2 barrel, sits a really nice looking ,96
Corvette engine, complete with fuel injection, and a 4-speed automatic .
It will eat the original engine alive in acceleration, and gets about 26
mpg....over double what the original got. It was a little time
consuming, and aggravating as hell, to deal with the computer and all
associated wiring, but in the end well worth it. The real funny part
that catches a lot of people off guard...it still has the original
factory hubcaps with whitewall tires...like Granny's car! Nice quiet
pipes too.
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What's funny is my buddy and I are both computer techs... but his hot
rod Nova is about as traditional as you can go. Holley 650 on an
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, the infamous "mild" cam (I dunno the
specs) and a Mallory HEI and MSD (6 AL?.) No fuel injection or
computers here. It's kind of satisfying setting the timing by ear and
then checking with a light and seeing I can do about 10 degrees BTDC by
feel now...
:) |
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J Grant
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Sun Nov 14, 2004 7:47 am Post subject:
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I'm anything but a computer tech myself. I appreciate the original
engines, but I also like the gas mileage I get with the Corvette running
gear. I used to have an old Pontiac LeMans with a nice Chevy 350 in it
with the Holley carb and mild cam. It was definately a runner, but she
was a thirsty girl. |
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