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ian
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:43 am    Post subject: Brakes. Again Reply with quote
I posted just recently about my brake pedal becoming hard and the brakes
binding after a short time. I have also been reading about the'bomb' Now
Because I don't have a book I don't know where or what this is. I do have
a canister maybe 10"long to the left of my master cylinder but I assume
that's the power steering reservoir.

Now I trust the experience of the people who replied to my last post but I
need to add some more detail just to convince myself that it's the master
cylinder at fault.

Ok here goes.

1991 5cy 10 v
ABS

When starting out the brakes are good very progressive and the ABS light NOW
comes on at 15mph. After maybe 4 5 miles the power of the car drops off as
it struggles to fight the brake bind.

As previously suggested I tried cooling the master cylinder with cold water
but this did not work. The brakes remain solid for some time at least until
something has either cooled down or the pressure has dropped naturally.

In addition to this if I push the brake hard whilst not moving and cold the
pedal goes to the floor with what seems a series of pulses...

I cleaned the calipers and new rotors and pads were fitted (all round)just
before I got the car. Is there anything else which could cause these
symptoms?

I guess I am looking for confirmation of the MC problem. This is my first
Audi in the US having lived in England and I have no experience of brakes
without Vacuum servo

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Tony
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:57 am    Post subject: Re: Brakes. Again Reply with quote
ian wrote:

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I posted just recently about my brake pedal becoming hard and the brakes
binding after a short time. I have also been reading about the'bomb' Now
Because I don't have a book I don't know where or what this is. I do have
a canister maybe 10"long to the left of my master cylinder but I assume
that's the power steering reservoir.

The 'bomb' is called that for two reasons:
1) it contains pressurized nitrogen at 2,500 psi and you don't even want to
puncture it.
2) it is shaped like one of the cartoon bombs with a fuse. Round, black and
about the size of a grenade.

It is fairly easy to change and is located under the car just in back of the air
conditioner compressor.

This doesn't sound like your problem. It only is used to assist braking if the
engine kills for some reason. With the hydraulic pump working the brake assist
is fine even if the bomb has gone bad. The symptom of a bad bomb is the brake
indicator light flashing briefly under hard braking when the system sees low
pressure from the sensor just behind the brake master cylinder.

Quote:
Now I trust the experience of the people who replied to my last post but I
need to add some more detail just to convince myself that it's the master
cylinder at fault.

Ok here goes.

1991 5cy 10 v
ABS

When starting out the brakes are good very progressive and the ABS light NOW
comes on at 15mph.

Probably an ABS sensor at one of the wheels is out of adjustment. Have you
changed an axle lately and installed a new one with the wrong number of teeth on
the ABS ring? different years had different numbers of teeth.

After maybe 4 5 miles the power of the car drops off as
Quote:
it struggles to fight the brake bind.

Still sounds like MC ...

Quote:
As previously suggested I tried cooling the master cylinder with cold water
but this did not work. The brakes remain solid for some time at least until
something has either cooled down or the pressure has dropped naturally.

In addition to this if I push the brake hard whilst not moving and cold the
pedal goes to the floor with what seems a series of pulses...

Leaking MC O rings and the pulses is from the ABS.

Quote:
I cleaned the calipers and new rotors and pads were fitted (all round)just
before I got the car. Is there anything else which could cause these
symptoms?

Are the sliding bolts for the calipers free so that they can center and not bind
on inside or outside?

Quote:
I guess I am looking for confirmation of the MC problem. This is my first
Audi in the US having lived in England and I have no experience of brakes
without Vacuum servo

Still convinced that the MC is your problem.

The only other possibility is the brake proportioning controller by drivers side
rear wheel could bind but that usually results in the rear brakes not operating
rather than binding. This device reduces the pressure to the rear brakes
relative to the fronts so that the rear won't try to beat the front of the car
while breaking in slippery condition (spin-out).
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ian
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: Brakes. Again Reply with quote
Ok I feel happier now. Your explainations makes sense to me.

I am very used to the caliper set up on the Audi it's a dream to change pads
so I am confident that they are well cleaned and operational.


thanks again for your insight.

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ian
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:14 am    Post subject: Brakes at last Reply with quote
New master cylinder cured the problem. Many thanks and seasons greetings
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Tony
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:51 am    Post subject: Re: Brakes at last Reply with quote
Thanks for letting us know the result.

Glad you got it solved.

Tony

ian wrote:

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New master cylinder cured the problem. Many thanks and seasons greetings

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