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Berkshire Bill
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
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Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional,
suspicion that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the front
rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards.
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Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the
price you pay..DEAL with it!
I'm confused (easily by the way).. you have two different design rims?
One specifically for the left side and the other for the right side
or they mounted the tires ignoring the directional arrows?
Wheel are directional, not the tires
Note an early nineties Bird... they have spokes that look like turbine
vanes...
sorta like a fan blade. And I cant recall if they are that plainly
marked but they were bassackwards on my first bird and I went through
rotors quick.
Finally figured it out, the 'vanes must AT LEAST assist air passing from
the rotors.
Turned em right and no problems in 70,000 miles since.
On a vane type wheel as you describe if all four wheels are the same |
pattern, two of them are always going to be wrong .. one side pushing air
in to the rotors, the other side pulling brake dust out. When we sell sets
off a car two of them are always dirtier for that reason.
Bill K.
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Backyard Mechanic
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
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"Berkshire Bill" <bkitterm@berkshire.rr.com> wrote:
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"Backyard Mechanic" <pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote in message
news:Xns972780623D2Dpettyfogery@207.115.17.102...
Went to Walmart yesterday, got 4 new Goodyear Viva Touring in prep
for the snow last night.
(seem to be GOOD tires for money, 3rd set I've bought for various
vehicles)
Reminded the tech that early 90's TBird alloys are directional,
suspicion that installing wrong way disrupts air-flow over the front
rotors.
So, naturally, he installed them all backwards.
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the
price you pay..DEAL with it!
I'm confused (easily by the way).. you have two different design rims?
One specifically for the left side and the other for the right side
or they mounted the tires ignoring the directional arrows?
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Wheel are directional, not the tires
Note an early nineties Bird... they have spokes that look like turbine
vanes...
sorta like a fan blade. And I cant recall if they are that plainly
marked but they were bassackwards on my first bird and I went through
rotors quick.
Finally figured it out, the 'vanes must AT LEAST assist air passing from
the rotors.
Turned em right and no problems in 70,000 miles since.
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it! |
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Berkshire Bill
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject:
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On a vane type wheel as you describe if all four wheels are the same
pattern, two of them are always going to be wrong .. one side pushing
air in to the rotors, the other side pulling brake dust out. When we
sell sets off a car two of them are always dirtier for that reason.
arrgghhhh!!!
there are two designed for the left, two for the right.
Damn... dont you think I can see my own f$%^g car!
Tbirds aint that rare, still, look at one!
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I asked earlier if you had two different rims.... as a rule we don't find |
those here (they are listed in Hollander®). Often when a car is impounded
following an accident things end up missing, much to the insurance companies
dismay. On the other hand we beat the first snow and got everything before
'05 shredded and crushed and sent to the port. (I also initially stated I'm
easily confused).
Bill K.
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Berkshire Bill
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Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:
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"Berkshire Bill" <bkitterm@berkshire.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Lkymf.24356$XJ5.15893@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
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On a vane type wheel as you describe if all four wheels are the same
pattern, two of them are always going to be wrong .. one side pushing
air in to the rotors, the other side pulling brake dust out. When we
sell sets off a car two of them are always dirtier for that reason.
arrgghhhh!!!
there are two designed for the left, two for the right.
Damn... dont you think I can see my own f$%^g car!
Tbirds aint that rare, still, look at one!
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I asked earlier if you had two different rims.... as a rule we don't find
those here (they are listed in Hollander®). Often when a car is impounded
following an accident things end up missing, much to the insurance
companies dismay. On the other hand we beat the first snow and got
everything before '05 shredded and crushed and sent to the port. (I also
initially stated I'm easily confused).
Bill K.
That should have read vehicles before 1995 shredded and crushed, I'm hoping |
to have enough money to operate in '06 and retire in '07.
Bill K. |
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Puddin' Man
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:05 am Post subject:
Re: Sigh... tire changers! |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:14:43 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | Wheel are directional, not the tires
Note an early nineties Bird... they have spokes that look like turbine
vanes...
sorta like a fan blade. And I cant recall if they are that plainly
marked but they were bassackwards on my first bird and I went through
rotors quick.
Finally figured it out, the 'vanes must AT LEAST assist air passing from
the rotors.
Turned em right and no problems in 70,000 miles since.
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You have maybe seen the "Aluminum 7-spoke" wheels like I have
on my '94 'Boid?
I just checked 'em: 2 forward, 2 backwards (as mounted with
4 new tires at NTB before Tire Kingdom got 'em).
Same directional issue: I need to get 'em to rotate to
my specs?
Thx,
Puddin'
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Berkshire Bill
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:44 am Post subject:
Re: Sigh... tire changers! |
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Finally figured it out, the 'vanes must AT LEAST assist air passing from
the rotors.
Turned em right and no problems in 70,000 miles since.
You have maybe seen the "Aluminum 7-spoke" wheels like I have
on my '94 'Boid?
I just checked 'em: 2 forward, 2 backwards (as mounted with
4 new tires at NTB before Tire Kingdom got 'em).
Same directional issue: I need to get 'em to rotate to
my specs?
Thx,
Puddin'
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*** Puddin' Man PuddingDotMan at GmailDotCom ***
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Bummer. If the tire guy had mindlessly done one side at a time instead of
piling them all on the floor at once you would be driving care free !
Bill K. |
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Puddin' Man
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:59 am Post subject:
Re: Sigh... tire changers! |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:44:30 GMT, "Berkshire Bill"
<bkitterm@berkshire.rr.com> wrote:
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Finally figured it out, the 'vanes must AT LEAST assist air passing from
the rotors.
Turned em right and no problems in 70,000 miles since.
You have maybe seen the "Aluminum 7-spoke" wheels like I have
on my '94 'Boid?
I just checked 'em: 2 forward, 2 backwards (as mounted with
4 new tires at NTB before Tire Kingdom got 'em).
Same directional issue: I need to get 'em to rotate to
my specs?
Thx,
Puddin'
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*** Puddin' Man PuddingDotMan at GmailDotCom ***
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Bummer. If the tire guy had mindlessly done one side at a time instead of
piling them all on the floor at once you would be driving care free !
Bill K.
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'Twas but a drop in the ocean of comic opera that occurred
around that time.
First, my OEM Firestone exploded whilst passing an 18-
wheeler on the interstate. Tripped the "inertia switch"
(which failed to trip 2 yrs previous when some guy rear-ended
me, doing $5k in body etc damage), shut fuel pump/motor
down. Somehow managed to wrestle thru i-state traffic
sans power steering and miraculously lived to tell ...
So I get new BFG'S at NTB, garage car. Next morn 1 is flat,
took a goddamn pop-rivet. Guy at NTB plugs possibly the
tiniest puncture in the newest tire in the universe, I
drive home to garage. Next morn, flat again. NTB takes
maybe 3 days to get a new tire to spec. The tech just
slings a floor jack under the 'boid, bends flange on
frame. NTB Dist. Mngr. is nice guy, stops by house,
we put band-aid on bent flange, spray some gook for
rust-proof, he gives me $50 to cover damage.
NTB "made good" for all the sillinesses, but it wasted
lotsa time on both sides the fence. For the better part
of 2 years I was afraid to take my car over there. Got
a load-test on battery there a couple weeks ago: there's
maybe 1 (uno) writer there that I'd trust to do somethin'
logical (if the moon is in the right position).
Place was a floggin' zoo. Probably still is.
What do they pay the techs? $8/hr ? $10 ??
Prost,
Puddin'
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Paul of Dayon
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
Re: Sigh... tire changers! |
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The older I get, the better my vision, at least when it comes to car service
places. It is amazing how well I can see the age and general degree of
happiness on these folks nowadays! I found the place with older employees
who seem happy to be there and glad to see you usually do better work (I
know, profiling...) The places with a crew that seems like it would rather
be anywhere else doing anything else... lookout!
PoD
(Just another ol' coots opinion)
"Puddin' Man" <Pudding.Man@Gmail.Com> wrote in message
news:44rop1t41q31h46fucmggf5b45ek660mum@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:44:30 GMT, "Berkshire Bill"
bkitterm@berkshire.rr.com> wrote:
Finally figured it out, the 'vanes must AT LEAST assist air passing
from
the rotors.
Turned em right and no problems in 70,000 miles since.
You have maybe seen the "Aluminum 7-spoke" wheels like I have
on my '94 'Boid?
I just checked 'em: 2 forward, 2 backwards (as mounted with
4 new tires at NTB before Tire Kingdom got 'em).
Same directional issue: I need to get 'em to rotate to
my specs?
Thx,
Puddin'
--
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*** Puddin' Man PuddingDotMan at GmailDotCom ***
******************************************************;
Bummer. If the tire guy had mindlessly done one side at a time instead of
piling them all on the floor at once you would be driving care free !
Bill K.
'Twas but a drop in the ocean of comic opera that occurred
around that time.
First, my OEM Firestone exploded whilst passing an 18-
wheeler on the interstate. Tripped the "inertia switch"
(which failed to trip 2 yrs previous when some guy rear-ended
me, doing $5k in body etc damage), shut fuel pump/motor
down. Somehow managed to wrestle thru i-state traffic
sans power steering and miraculously lived to tell ...
So I get new BFG'S at NTB, garage car. Next morn 1 is flat,
took a goddamn pop-rivet. Guy at NTB plugs possibly the
tiniest puncture in the newest tire in the universe, I
drive home to garage. Next morn, flat again. NTB takes
maybe 3 days to get a new tire to spec. The tech just
slings a floor jack under the 'boid, bends flange on
frame. NTB Dist. Mngr. is nice guy, stops by house,
we put band-aid on bent flange, spray some gook for
rust-proof, he gives me $50 to cover damage.
NTB "made good" for all the sillinesses, but it wasted
lotsa time on both sides the fence. For the better part
of 2 years I was afraid to take my car over there. Got
a load-test on battery there a couple weeks ago: there's
maybe 1 (uno) writer there that I'd trust to do somethin'
logical (if the moon is in the right position).
Place was a floggin' zoo. Probably still is.
What do they pay the techs? $8/hr ? $10 ??
Prost,
Puddin'
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