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Sam Nickaby
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject:
Serpentine Belt goes bad too soon. |
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I've been having trouble with premature belt failure for a while and can't
figure this out. The first belt that came with the car had a section of it
chipped off. The belt caused a knocking sound on the pulleys and was
removed. I'd checked the idler pulley and they spin smoothly. I'd installed
a new belt by the brand of Continental and it failed the same way (in the
California climate) as the first one only after a year. There is another brand
from the dealer which I should be using. The brand is BMW. I feel that
I've installed the belt incorrectly on this BMW 96 318ti. I made a simple
drawing of the belt configuration. What are some practical things I
should be doing?
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4377/serpentine3de.gif
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Dave Plowman (News)
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject:
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In article <_0zlf.26977$dO2.9478@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
Sam Nickaby <Samhasnoemail@no.no.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I've been having trouble with premature belt failure for a while and
can't figure this out. The first belt that came with the car had a
section of it chipped off. The belt caused a knocking sound on the
pulleys and was removed. I'd checked the idler pulley and they spin
smoothly. I'd installed a new belt by the brand of Continental and it
failed the same way (in the California climate) as the first one only
after a year. There is another brand from the dealer which I should be
using. The brand is BMW. I feel that I've installed the belt incorrectly
on this BMW 96 318ti. I made a simple drawing of the belt configuration.
What are some practical things I should be doing?
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I replaced the original 5 year old 70,000 mile ones on my E39 a couple of
years ago - purely as a precaution, as the AC one was showing signs of
cracking. The replacements were Bosch so I assume OEM.
I had to have the waterpump replaced at a specialist I trust recently -
too cold to work in the street - and they reckoned they needed replacing
again. They kept the old ones for me, and the AC one had a deep crack at
right angles on both sides, and the main one was showing bad deterioration
on the ribbed side - chunks of ribbing missing.
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*Never miss a good chance to shut up *
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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Lawrence Glickman
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject:
Re: Serpentine Belt goes bad too soon. |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:43:06 GMT, "Sam Nickaby"
<Samhasnoemail@no.no.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I've been having trouble with premature belt failure for a while and can't
figure this out. The first belt that came with the car had a section of it
chipped off. The belt caused a knocking sound on the pulleys and was
removed. I'd checked the idler pulley and they spin smoothly. I'd installed
a new belt by the brand of Continental and it failed the same way (in the
California climate) as the first one only after a year. There is another brand
from the dealer which I should be using. The brand is BMW. I feel that
I've installed the belt incorrectly on this BMW 96 318ti. I made a simple
drawing of the belt configuration. What are some practical things I
should be doing?
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4377/serpentine3de.gif
Thanks
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Buying a quality belt like
a Goodyear Gator Back
or
Gates
check any car repair manual for routing of the belt over the pulleys.
Sounds like cheap quality issue to me.
Lg
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Mike Romain
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject:
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If your engine has a harmonic balancer and it is going bad, it can start
eating one edge of the belt.
Mike
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88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Sam Nickaby wrote:
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I've been having trouble with premature belt failure for a while and can't
figure this out. The first belt that came with the car had a section of it
chipped off. The belt caused a knocking sound on the pulleys and was
removed. I'd checked the idler pulley and they spin smoothly. I'd installed
a new belt by the brand of Continental and it failed the same way (in the
California climate) as the first one only after a year. There is another brand
from the dealer which I should be using. The brand is BMW. I feel that
I've installed the belt incorrectly on this BMW 96 318ti. I made a simple
drawing of the belt configuration. What are some practical things I
should be doing?
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4377/serpentine3de.gif
Thanks |
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Malt_Hound
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Serpentine Belt goes bad too soon. |
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:43:06 GMT, "Sam Nickaby"
Samhasnoemail@no.no.com> wrote:
I've been having trouble with premature belt failure for a while and can't
figure this out. The first belt that came with the car had a section of it
chipped off. The belt caused a knocking sound on the pulleys and was
removed. I'd checked the idler pulley and they spin smoothly. I'd installed
a new belt by the brand of Continental and it failed the same way (in the
California climate) as the first one only after a year. There is another brand
from the dealer which I should be using. The brand is BMW. I feel that
I've installed the belt incorrectly on this BMW 96 318ti. I made a simple
drawing of the belt configuration. What are some practical things I
should be doing?
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4377/serpentine3de.gif
Thanks
Buying a quality belt like
a Goodyear Gator Back
or
Gates
check any car repair manual for routing of the belt over the pulleys.
Sounds like cheap quality issue to me.
Lg
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Complete nonsense. Continental belts are the best there is. In fact,
I'm pretty sure they are OE.
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Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject:
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I would not install a gates belt on this BWM. Gates are a good belt,
but not on a euro car. Stick with the continental. |
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Lawrence Glickman
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:51 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:43:16 -0500, Malt_Hound
<""Malt_Hound\"@*spam-me not*yahoo.com"> wrote:
| Quote: | Lawrence Glickman wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:43:06 GMT, "Sam Nickaby"
Samhasnoemail@no.no.com> wrote:
I've been having trouble with premature belt failure for a while and can't
figure this out. The first belt that came with the car had a section of it
chipped off. The belt caused a knocking sound on the pulleys and was
removed. I'd checked the idler pulley and they spin smoothly. I'd installed
a new belt by the brand of Continental and it failed the same way (in the
California climate) as the first one only after a year. There is another brand
from the dealer which I should be using. The brand is BMW. I feel that
I've installed the belt incorrectly on this BMW 96 318ti. I made a simple
drawing of the belt configuration. What are some practical things I
should be doing?
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4377/serpentine3de.gif
Thanks
Buying a quality belt like
a Goodyear Gator Back
or
Gates
check any car repair manual for routing of the belt over the pulleys.
Sounds like cheap quality issue to me.
Lg
Complete nonsense. Continental belts are the best there is. In fact,
I'm pretty sure they are OE.
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Made by the same company that made the O rings on the shuttle that
blew up?
If they're so great, why are they falling apart like cheap Chinese
Shite on this guy's vehicle? eh?
That's two *continentals* in a row that self-destructed in no time on
this guy's car. PREMATURE belt failure. I've never known a Gates I
couldn't run over with a Caterpillar earth mover that wouldn't still
work.
It's your money. But remember, the definition of insanity is DOING
THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT. |
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Lawrence Glickman
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:52 am Post subject:
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On 7 Dec 2005 09:08:57 -0800, jfrancis311@gmail.com wrote:
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I would not install a gates belt on this BWM. Gates are a good belt,
but not on a euro car. Stick with the continental.
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see my other post on this topic.
From this guy's anecdotal experiences, I wouldn't touch one if you
gave it to me for free.
Lg |
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mst
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:16 am Post subject:
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On 7 Dec 2005 09:08:57 -0800 jfrancis311@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | I would not install a gates belt on this BWM. Gates are a good belt,
but not on a euro car. Stick with the continental.
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Why? A belt is a belt, built according to specs from the manufacturer.
(Think: width, length, grooves, and so on). The most important thing
is the quality of the materials in the manufacturing of the belt, plus
the overall manufacturing process.
I use Gates belts and hoses on my Porsche, Isuzu, Chevy,
and Suzuki (motorcycle) - Gates outlasts the OEM.
Just because some vehicle is not made Stateside, doesnt mean Gates
cant build a quality belt/etc for it.
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sdlomi2
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:28 am Post subject:
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"Sam Nickaby" <Samhasnoemail@no.no.com> wrote in message
news:_0zlf.26977$dO2.9478@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
| Quote: | I've been having trouble with premature belt failure for a while and can't
figure this out. The first belt that came with the car had a section of it
chipped off. The belt caused a knocking sound on the pulleys and was
removed. I'd checked the idler pulley and they spin smoothly. I'd
installed
a new belt by the brand of Continental and it failed the same way (in the
California climate) as the first one only after a year. There is another
brand
from the dealer which I should be using. The brand is BMW. I feel that
I've installed the belt incorrectly on this BMW 96 318ti. I made a simple
drawing of the belt configuration. What are some practical things I
should be doing?
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4377/serpentine3de.gif
Thanks
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Sam, I'd look closely at each pulley surface, including idlers.
Sometimes they wear at an angle towards the center, rather than flat across
the original surface--supercharged Buicks have been esp. troublesome in my
experience. The idlers have also worn with grooves from who-knows-where ?
These grooved pulleys then wear grooves into the belts. HTH, s |
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Malt_Hound
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:48 am Post subject:
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:43:16 -0500, Malt_Hound
""Malt_Hound\"@*spam-me not*yahoo.com"> wrote:
Lawrence Glickman wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:43:06 GMT, "Sam Nickaby"
Samhasnoemail@no.no.com> wrote:
I've been having trouble with premature belt failure for a while and can't
figure this out. The first belt that came with the car had a section of it
chipped off. The belt caused a knocking sound on the pulleys and was
removed. I'd checked the idler pulley and they spin smoothly. I'd installed
a new belt by the brand of Continental and it failed the same way (in the
California climate) as the first one only after a year. There is another brand
from the dealer which I should be using. The brand is BMW. I feel that
I've installed the belt incorrectly on this BMW 96 318ti. I made a simple
drawing of the belt configuration. What are some practical things I
should be doing?
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4377/serpentine3de.gif
Thanks
Buying a quality belt like
a Goodyear Gator Back
or
Gates
check any car repair manual for routing of the belt over the pulleys.
Sounds like cheap quality issue to me.
Lg
Complete nonsense. Continental belts are the best there is. In fact,
I'm pretty sure they are OE.
Made by the same company that made the O rings on the shuttle that
blew up?
If they're so great, why are they falling apart like cheap Chinese
Shite on this guy's vehicle? eh?
That's two *continentals* in a row that self-destructed in no time on
this guy's car. PREMATURE belt failure. I've never known a Gates I
couldn't run over with a Caterpillar earth mover that wouldn't still
work.
It's your money. But remember, the definition of insanity is DOING
THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.
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Your a real genius, huh Larry? Let me guess... your some kind of a
marketing guy, aren't you?
So, let's see, one guy reports a relatively rare failure mode of a belt
occurring twice on one car and you attribute the failure to the belt
being defective. Don't you think there just might be some other
factor(s) involved specific to this particular car or driver? Not only
that, but the OP failed to state how many miles were involved in these
failures.
There are literally hundreds of thousands of similar BMWs running around
with the same belts in them and none of them seem to be having this kind
of thing happening, especially in such a short time, let alone twice on
the same car.
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:58 am Post subject:
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"Lawrence Glickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message
| Quote: | Made by the same company that made the O rings on the shuttle that
blew up?
If they're so great, why are they falling apart like cheap Chinese
Shite on this guy's vehicle? eh?
That's two *continentals* in a row that self-destructed in no time on
this guy's car. PREMATURE belt failure. I've never known a Gates I
couldn't run over with a Caterpillar earth mover that wouldn't still
work.
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Oh, come ON! The space shuttle was a shitteaux design. Wouldnt have
made any difference who made the o-rings on that doomed piece of shit. |
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Lawrence Glickman
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:07 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:48:13 -0500, Malt_Hound
<""Malt_Hound\"@*spam-me not*yahoo.com"> wrote:
| Quote: | Your a real genius, huh Larry?
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Are you jealous?
| Quote: | Let me guess... your some kind of a
marketing guy, aren't you?
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Well that's strike ONE! You've got 2 left.
| Quote: | So, let's see, one guy reports a relatively rare failure mode of a belt
occurring twice on one car and you attribute the failure to the belt
being defective.
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I would switch brands to see if that made a difference, wouldn't you?
After of course, looking at other factors like mis-aligned pulleys and
the normal things one looks at.
| Quote: | Don't you think there just might be some other
factor(s) involved specific to this particular car or driver?
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If there are, he didn't mention them. You can fabricate, invent,
fantasize that there are other factors, but that's YOUR fantasy. I'm
working off the information given in the report.
| Quote: | Not only
that, but the OP failed to state how many miles were involved in these
failures.
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He said premature.
| Quote: | There are literally hundreds of thousands of similar BMWs running around
with the same belts in them and none of them seem to be having this kind
of thing happening, especially in such a short time, let alone twice on
the same car.
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How do you know that * continental * belt isn't a Chinese counterfeit.
Question me that, Batman.
There are even counterfeit bolts in our military aircraft, one reason
the cobra was losing its' rotary wings early in its appearance.
What's the big deal, Your Highness and most Excellent Diagnostician?
With the serpentine belt OFF, it takes a couple of minutes to check
for worn bearings and misaligned pulleys. Only an IDIOT would put
another belt on without checking for those things first.
Are you calling the OP an idiot?
Lg |
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:11 am Post subject:
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Who, maybe not. Now if they'd been made of a material that didn't
harden-up in freezing temps...
That is not to say its NOT a doomed piece-of-shit, though!
Dave |
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Lawrence Glickman
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Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:11 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:58:50 GMT, <HLS@nospam.nix> wrote:
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"Lawrence Glickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message
Made by the same company that made the O rings on the shuttle that
blew up?
If they're so great, why are they falling apart like cheap Chinese
Shite on this guy's vehicle? eh?
That's two *continentals* in a row that self-destructed in no time on
this guy's car. PREMATURE belt failure. I've never known a Gates I
couldn't run over with a Caterpillar earth mover that wouldn't still
work.
Oh, come ON! The space shuttle was a shitteaux design. Wouldnt have
made any difference who made the o-rings on that doomed piece of shit.
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WAS a shitteaux design? They're still flying the thing ya know.
Dude, there is such a thing as CRAP RUBBER. Have you never come
across this *stuff* before? I've got a Fram Oil Filter out in the
garage with CRAP RUBBER for a sealing gasket.
If you want a Sample of CRAP RUBBER send me your mailing address and
I'll try to get the gasket to you before Christmas.
Lg |
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