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John Horner
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject:
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The intake manifold problems of most of GM's modern V-6 engines are but
one example of poor engineering and/or poor manufacturing control which
have caused hundreds of thousands of customers to be burned. These are
not used car hand-me-downs, but people who put out their hard earned
money and got screwed.
If GM were serious about treating customers right it would start with a
10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty. Why doesn't GM do this? If
their stuff is good, then a vehicle maintained by-the-book should not
have any powertrain failures in 100,000 miles. This should also be made
retroactive to all GM vehicles sold in the past 9 years.
This would be money well spent on building the brand image. Much more
sensible than throwing discounts down the rat hole of marketing
foolishness. If GM were building top quality vehicles then this extra
warranty would cost almost nothing.
Increased rebates and incentives destroy resale values of previously
sold vehicles. Extend the warranty and the resale value of previously
sold vehicles actually goes up.
John
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No One You Know
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject:
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Trolling again? The intake gasket problem has been solved. Why would GM
or any other auto maker give more warrantee than the others?
Kia & the asian upstarts need to to lure unwary customers to their junk. |
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John Horner
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject:
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No One You Know wrote:
| Quote: | Trolling again? The intake gasket problem has been solved. Why would GM
or any other auto maker give more warrantee than the others?
Kia & the asian upstarts need to to lure unwary customers to their junk.
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Hmmm, first I am accused of never providing a realistic suggestion, then
I am a "troll" for doing so. Make up your mind Mr/Ms no name.
If GM makes well built products then what possible reason could there be
not to give a long warranty? If the product is well engineered and
well built then there is no reason for the powertrain to fail before
100,000 miles when a customer maintains it by-the-book. GM would need
to require that the customer document proper maintenance.
As far as the intake gasket problem being solved, how do you know? It
hit my three year old Olsmobile which is powered by a 3.4l V-6 engine GM
has had one version or another of in production for well over a decade.
What are your suggestions for GM to pull out of the sales and financial
tailspin it is clearly in? More rebates? More Red Tag Sales Events?
John
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« Paul »
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Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject:
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No One You Know wrote:
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Trolling again? The intake gasket problem has been solved. Why would GM
or any other auto maker give more warrantee than the others?
Kia & the asian upstarts need to to lure unwary customers to their junk.
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Why do you say the intake gasket problem has been solved?
What has been changed in the basic design of the GM 60 degree engine? |
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Muhammed Mustafo Goldstei
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:24 am Post subject:
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"No One You Know" <nooneyouknow34474@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133626263.294403.153530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Trolling again? The intake gasket problem has been solved. Why would GM
or any other auto maker give more warrantee than the others?
Kia & the asian upstarts need to to lure unwary customers to their junk.
Horner is right..I got burned myself with the faulty intake gasket, and |
thats why I decided not to buy the 3.9 G6 coupe cuz it uses that same basic
design v6 that has been failing the last 10 to 15 years because of a poor
design. Now if GM thinks they have their shit together with the new engine
then warrantee it for at least 8 years then I will bite. Otherwise my GM
days may be over. Then again I dont care if they put an airplane engine in
the G6 sedan cuz that thing is so ugly they would have to give it to me. |
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Muhammed Mustafo Goldstei
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:35 am Post subject:
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"No One You Know" <nooneyouknow34474@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133626263.294403.153530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Trolling again? The intake gasket problem has been solved. Why would GM
or any other auto maker give more warrantee than the others?
Kia & the asian upstarts need to to lure unwary customers to their junk.
The facts are 90% of people with a 3.1, 3.4 or 3.8 will have an expensive |
intake gasket failure before reaching 100k miles. The rest will have the
failure before 200k miles unless extremely lucky. Now why would I buy the
new 3.9 v6 when GM let the problem with the previous engines go on for 10 or
15 years knowing of the problem hitting customers fo $800 a pop for the
repairs. The 3.9 may well have the same problem. Sounds like gauranteed
money for the GM shops, now its come back to bite them in the ass. I was a
hard core GM fan growing up as a kid in the 60s and 70s admiring everything
from a 57 chevy to a 70 454 Chevelle, but lets face it those days are over
and GM screwed itself. |
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Brad Clarke
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:03 am Post subject:
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On 3 Dec 2005 08:11:03 -0800, "No One You Know"
<nooneyouknow34474@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Trolling again? The intake gasket problem has been solved.
Like it was solved at least twice before, only to keep on happening? |
Perhaps they got it right this time....time will tell. |
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Al Bundy
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:17 am Post subject:
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John Horner wrote:
| Quote: | The intake manifold problems of most of GM's modern V-6 engines are but
one example of poor engineering and/or poor manufacturing control which
have caused hundreds of thousands of customers to be burned. These are
not used car hand-me-downs, but people who put out their hard earned
money and got screwed.
If GM were serious about treating customers right it would start with a
10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty. Why doesn't GM do this? If
their stuff is good, then a vehicle maintained by-the-book should not
have any powertrain failures in 100,000 miles. This should also be made
retroactive to all GM vehicles sold in the past 9 years.
This would be money well spent on building the brand image. Much more
sensible than throwing discounts down the rat hole of marketing
foolishness. If GM were building top quality vehicles then this extra
warranty would cost almost nothing.
Increased rebates and incentives destroy resale values of previously
sold vehicles. Extend the warranty and the resale value of previously
sold vehicles actually goes up.
John
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Unfortunately John, GM can't do that as they would go broke even
sooner. Wagner prefers to administrate a slow demise where the pain can
be felt by the customers, employees and the public at large.
Eventually, if they need to, they will try to buy new customers with
longer warranties. They already spent your money and more so they won't
be giving any back.
PS. GM tried what you are suggesting years ago with their 8V71 diesel
engines that were failing cylinder kits at early mileage. They issued
one FIX after another. They bought back engines and overhauled others
up to 300,000 miles. Customers soaked it all up and went to Cummins for
their next spec. |
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James C. Reeves
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:16 am Post subject:
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"No One You Know" <nooneyouknow34474@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133626263.294403.153530@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Trolling again? The intake gasket problem has been solved. Why would GM
or any other auto maker give more warrantee than the others?
Kia & the asian upstarts need to to lure unwary customers to their junk.
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You forgot Chrysler. Chrysler covers 7/70 on an 03 Stratus and 04 Sebring
the Wife and I have. I had a 03 Malibu...but it only came with a 3/36
warranty. I dumped it before it could get the gasket and piston slap
problems. It was a POS car anyway in comparison to the cars we have now.
At least the sludge problems of the 2.7 Chrysler engine can be owner
mitigated by using Synthetic oil. |
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James C. Reeves
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:16 am Post subject:
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This is an excellent suggestion. I don't think GM would loose much on this
deal...at least it would be far less that $3K-$6K per unit that they loose
now with these crazy profit-busting sales. And those costs would come over
several years, not up front.
However, I still personally wouldn't buy a GM vehicle again. I like some of
their models, when the lights are off and you can actually see them. But
all of them are most annoying "lights-in-your-face-all-the-time" cars. I
just don't want to even drive such a annoying vehicle. |
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Bob Bitch'n
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject:
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The question was " if " GM made a quality car.
They don't and would go broke much sooner with a 100k mile warranty.
I'm done with them and their cars.
Bob
"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
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John Horner wrote:
The intake manifold problems of most of GM's modern V-6 engines are but
one example of poor engineering and/or poor manufacturing control which
have caused hundreds of thousands of customers to be burned. These are
not used car hand-me-downs, but people who put out their hard earned
money and got screwed.
If GM were serious about treating customers right it would start with a
10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty. Why doesn't GM do this? If
their stuff is good, then a vehicle maintained by-the-book should not
have any powertrain failures in 100,000 miles. This should also be made
retroactive to all GM vehicles sold in the past 9 years.
This would be money well spent on building the brand image. Much more
sensible than throwing discounts down the rat hole of marketing
foolishness. If GM were building top quality vehicles then this extra
warranty would cost almost nothing.
Increased rebates and incentives destroy resale values of previously
sold vehicles. Extend the warranty and the resale value of previously
sold vehicles actually goes up.
John
Unfortunately John, GM can't do that as they would go broke even
sooner. Wagner prefers to administrate a slow demise where the pain can
be felt by the customers, employees and the public at large.
Eventually, if they need to, they will try to buy new customers with
longer warranties. They already spent your money and more so they won't
be giving any back.
PS. GM tried what you are suggesting years ago with their 8V71 diesel
engines that were failing cylinder kits at early mileage. They issued
one FIX after another. They bought back engines and overhauled others
up to 300,000 miles. Customers soaked it all up and went to Cummins for
their next spec.
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John Horner
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Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:45 pm Post subject:
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Al Bundy wrote:
| Quote: | Unfortunately John, GM can't do that as they would go broke even
sooner. Wagner prefers to administrate a slow demise where the pain can
be felt by the customers, employees and the public at large.
Eventually, if they need to, they will try to buy new customers with
longer warranties. They already spent your money and more so they won't
be giving any back.
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You are probably right :(. GM's management and union leaders seem to
have completely missed the lessons of the demise of the once powerful
British-based auto industry which self destructed in the 1960-1980
period. There is now not a single remaining UK based automotive company
of any significant size. Even the niche players like Rolls-Royce and
Lotus are now owned by other companies (Germany's BMW for Rolls,
Malaysia's Proton for Lotus).
General Motors = British Leyland ??????
John |
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Dad
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:03 am Post subject:
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John Horner wrote:
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If GM were serious about treating customers right it would start with a
10 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty. Why doesn't GM do this? If
their stuff is good, then a vehicle maintained by-the-book should not
have any powertrain failures in 100,000 miles. This should also be made
retroactive to all GM vehicles sold in the past 9 years.
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John, you are such a doorknob! Why not a 20 year/200,000 mile powertrain
warranty? If their stuff is good, then using your logic, a vehicle
maintained by-the-book should not have any powertrain failures in
200,000 miles. Where does one draw the line of practicality? John, the
answer to this question is held in assessing the odds of component
failure. i.e. the longer the time period, the greater the risk of
component failure. Not to mention the impact on powertrains of the
varying driving styles from person-to-person. John, wake up and smell
the burning clutch! |
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Dad
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:09 am Post subject:
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Muhammed Mustafo Goldstein Jr wrote:
| Quote: | Horner is right..I got burned myself ...
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Muhammed Mustafo Goldstein Jr! Now there's a good Irish name! *lol* Well
that's good enough for me Jr! If you got burned, Horner must be right!
You have just joined the exclusive "Bitchers, Whiners, Moaners and
Losers Club"! You join John Horner and James C, Reeves as one of only 3
members! *lol* |
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Dad
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Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:22 am Post subject:
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James C. Reeves wrote:
| Quote: | This is an excellent suggestion. I don't think GM would loose much on this
deal...at least it would be far less that $3K-$6K per unit that they loose
now with these crazy profit-busting sales. And those costs would come over
several years, not up front.
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What a surprise that you agree with Horner! Neither one of you would
appear to have even a basic knowledge of the economics of Horner's
suggestion. And together, your combined IQ's would fall well short of
your respective shoe sizes!
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However, I still personally wouldn't buy a GM vehicle again.
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Then why do you remain in this News Group? Take a look up above James -
it say's alt.autos.gm up there! *lol* Quit tormenting us and troll on
over the the News Group whose vehicles you will be buying in the future.
My gosh, how you moan and whine!
| Quote: | I like some of
their models, when the lights are off and you can actually see them. But
all of them are most annoying "lights-in-your-face-all-the-time" cars. I
just don't want to even drive such a annoying vehicle.
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I'd pay a surcharge to GM to keep producing their
"lights-in-your-face-all-the-time" cars, if it would drive you and
Horner out of the News Group. The only nice thing about reading whiney
posts from you and Horner is that I know that the rest of day has to be
better! Your "woe-is-me" posts make me realize how lucky I am, not be be
a malcontent like you and Horner! |
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