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Mike Hunter
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Still no free lunch! |
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By definition the turbine in a JET engine uses thrust for motivation. The
turbine engine in that car did not produce thrust but torque to mechanically
turn the cars drive train, much in the way a turbine turns the generator in
a electrical facility
mike hunt
"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:26:58 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
The car that Chrysler studied back in the early sixties was a gasoline
turbine engine, not a jet engine. Its exhaust was no hotter than a
convention engine. A friend of mine had the opportunity to test run one
for
a year they were all paint eh same bronzy color ;)
mike
And here I thought jet engines were turbines.... That's what they
called them in the UH-1s and many others. Thought the only difference
was the aircraft were using them as direct propulsion, while the one I
recall from Popular Mechanics and Popular Science worked on the same
principle but were used to drive gears for propulsion.
"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:36:11 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:
HEh... I've been hearing the 'news' of wonderful new automotive tech
since I was a kid and I'm now in my sixties....like the experimental
Chrysler asphalt-melter turbine car of the fifties
That's cute and all, but not accurate. Even the earliest turbine cars'
exhaust was of comparable temperature to standard cars' exhaust as it
exited the tailpipe.
Is that right?!!!
Granted, the only real problem was at long stops at stop signs, signals,
etc... where DID that turbine heat go?
You might want to consider the Harrier Jump jet and the damage it does
to the runway and parking apron surfaces not protected. While a
turbine powered vehicle may not damage the asphalt.... It may have
some detrimental affect upon any vehicle behind it... especially when
the light turns green.... : 0 )
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Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
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Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg |
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Mike Hunter
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Still no free lunch! |
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Around $30 to $60 for a lead acid battery. ;)
mike hunt
<dold@XReXXStill.usenet.us.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In alt.autos.ford Mike Hunter <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
I hope you are you putting away some money to replace the battery pack a
some point. Current cost of the Escape battery pack is over $7,000 ;)
Last time this came up, I asked what the list price was at the Ford dealer
for the standard 12v battery.
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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5
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Mike Hunter
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject:
Re: Hybrid Lovers Read This and Lament |
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Will they also design a trailer to carry all the LA batteries need to
produce enough voltage? ;)
mike
"Ted Mittelstaedt" >
| Quote: | Why are you thinking that these cars batteries are going to be replaced
by NiMH? My guess is the aftermarket battery industry will come out
with a lead acid gel cell conventional technology retrofit battery for
these
cars, that will cost a quarter of the NiMH. Obviously the fuel mileage
will
suffer but not a lot, and the battery industry is under no obligation to
manufacture a part that will retain the existing mileage. All that would
probably need to be done is a reprogrammed battery computer to
be installed that will properly maintain charge on a lead acid pack.
Ted
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Sharon K.Cooke
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject:
Re: Still no free lunch! |
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Mike Hunter wrote:
| Quote: |
By definition the turbine in a JET engine uses thrust for motivation. The
turbine engine in that car did not produce thrust but torque to mechanically
turn the cars drive train, much in the way a turbine turns the generator in
a electrical facility
mike hunt
"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:7ft4o1dp718k8nrqemh55da5i43kcee19j@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:26:58 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
The car that Chrysler studied back in the early sixties was a gasoline
turbine engine, not a jet engine. Its exhaust was no hotter than a
convention engine. A friend of mine had the opportunity to test run one
for
a year they were all paint eh same bronzy color ;)
mike
And here I thought jet engines were turbines.... That's what they
called them in the UH-1s and many others. Thought the only difference
was the aircraft were using them as direct propulsion, while the one I
recall from Popular Mechanics and Popular Science worked on the same
principle but were used to drive gears for propulsion.
"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in message
news:i4l4o1d6l8kk7h4fr2j2agjhgisp14rhja@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:36:11 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:
"Daniel J. Stern" <dastern@127.0.0.1> wrote:
HEh... I've been hearing the 'news' of wonderful new automotive tech
since I was a kid and I'm now in my sixties....like the experimental
Chrysler asphalt-melter turbine car of the fifties
That's cute and all, but not accurate. Even the earliest turbine cars'
exhaust was of comparable temperature to standard cars' exhaust as it
exited the tailpipe.
Is that right?!!!
Granted, the only real problem was at long stops at stop signs, signals,
etc... where DID that turbine heat go?
You might want to consider the Harrier Jump jet and the damage it does
to the runway and parking apron surfaces not protected. While a
turbine powered vehicle may not damage the asphalt.... It may have
some detrimental affect upon any vehicle behind it... especially when
the light turns green.... : 0 )
--
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
--
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
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All about the Chrysler Turbine Car: http://www.turbinecar.com/top.swf |
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John Horner
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:31 pm Post subject:
Re: Hybrid Lovers Read This and Lament |
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:50:08 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com
wrote:
Have people learning nothing from cell phones and laptop computers where
failure to take a charge rechargeable batteries are often the death
sentence?
John
Ever hear of proofreading??
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You must have way too much time on your hands to be spending it
nitpicking on usenet over spelling and grammar. Now go back to that
high school and make the kids there miserable like so many teachers do.
John |
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necromancer
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Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject:
Re: Hybrid Lovers Read This and Lament |
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John Horner, <jthorner@yahoo.com> was motivated to say this in
rec.autos.driving on Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:31:09 GMT:
| Quote: | You must have way too much time on your hands to be spending it
nitpicking on usenet over spelling and grammar. Now go back to that
high school and make the kids there miserable like so many teachers do.
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Judy spends its free time (when its not showing its silliness in r.a.d.)
by sitting out in the back porch of its trailer wearing a tinfoil hat
and watching for black helicopters with UN logos piloted by grey
aliens... |
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Steve
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:24 am Post subject:
Re: Hybrid Lovers Read This and Lament |
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
| Quote: | On 21 Nov 2005 10:44:27 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com
wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
The whole idea of hybrids is stupid. Just make cars smaller and leave
out all the useless crap. Detroit could easily build a 2500 pound
family car that gives 40 mpg and costs $8,000 brand new and gives
250,000 trouble-free miles on nothing but routine maintenance.
What the fuck would you know about routain maintenance, Mr. Drive a POS
vehicle with bald tires and no dash lights?
I change the oil every 1500 miles and grease the front end every 1000.
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Absolutely idiotic! Changing the oil at 3000 mile intervals is wasteful
enough given that modern oils are generally good to 7000 or more miles,
1500 is just flat stupid. But what I'd expect from an "environmental
responsibility is for everyone BUT me" liberal... |
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Backyard Mechanic
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:44 am Post subject:
Re: Hybrid Lovers Read This and Lament |
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Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
| Quote: | laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
On 21 Nov 2005 10:44:27 -0800, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com
wrote:
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote:
The whole idea of hybrids is stupid. Just make cars smaller and
leave
out all the useless crap. Detroit could easily build a 2500 pound
family car that gives 40 mpg and costs $8,000 brand new and gives
250,000 trouble-free miles on nothing but routine maintenance.
What the fuck would you know about routain maintenance, Mr. Drive a
POS
vehicle with bald tires and no dash lights?
I change the oil every 1500 miles and grease the front end every 1000.
Absolutely idiotic! Changing the oil at 3000 mile intervals is wasteful
enough given that modern oils are generally good to 7000 or more miles,
1500 is just flat stupid. But what I'd expect from an "environmental
responsibility is for everyone BUT me" liberal...
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Here we go again!
NOT if that coincides with every three months on a grocery getter..
BUT!
Lubing joints that often MAY be bad... tends to burst boots and seals,
leading to premature failure, UNLESS you are very careful.
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Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it! |
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necromancer
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:07 am Post subject:
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Steve, <no@spam.thanks> was motivated to say this in rec.autos.driving
on Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:24:42 -0600:
| Quote: | But what I'd expect from an "environmental
responsibility is for everyone BUT me" liberal...
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Or a speed limits are for everyone BUT me nincompoop...
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"> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit?
Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open
stretch could be 25, i thought."
Pride of America (c.k.a. "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMOCIDE), 10/3/2002
Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff@posting.google.com>
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg
Connecting POA to LBMHB/lbVH:
See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj |
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Laura Bush murdered her b
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:32 am Post subject:
Re: Hybrid Lovers Read This and Lament |
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Bill Putney wrote:
| Quote: | laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
...And i change the air filter and plugs and rotor/cap every 10k or so.
That's what i'm talking about...
New plugs, rotor, and cap every 10k? That's not very smart.
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I got an old car. Not old enough to have points mind you; it does use
electronic ignition. But even with EI i don't believe that 30K miles
stuff. Same with greasing the front end. Every 1000 miles sounds like
overkill to some people but i think it's a good idea. |
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Spike
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:
Re: Still no free lunch! |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:09:26 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
| Quote: | By definition the turbine in a JET engine uses thrust for motivation. The
turbine engine in that car did not produce thrust but torque to mechanically
turn the cars drive train, much in the way a turbine turns the generator in
a electrical facility
mike hunt
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The same way it works in a helicopter... The turbine engine powers the
drive train to turn the rotors. And , as if the noise were not bad
enough, you'd not want to stand behind two turbines cranking out heat
and fumes.
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg |
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Guest
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:16 am Post subject:
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John Horner wrote:
| Quote: | laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:50:08 GMT, John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com
wrote:
Have people learning nothing from cell phones and laptop computers where
failure to take a charge rechargeable batteries are often the death
sentence?
John
Ever hear of proofreading??
You must have way too much time on your hands to be spending it
nitpicking on usenet over spelling and grammar. Now go back to that
high school and make the kids there miserable like so many teachers do.
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Uh, Judy hasn't been to high school yet. |
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Mike Hunter
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:31 am Post subject:
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Again you are referring to a jet engine, the engine in the Chrysler was NOT
a jet engine and it create not thrust. That engine is more akin to a
steamturbo, that has virtually no exhaust because the condenser creates a
vacuum over the last three larger rotors. The exhaust was no larger then one
on a large V8. If you go to cars shows you may get the chance to see one.
There are at least two still around. Try doing a search, if it is not just
you intention to argue, and you really want to know about that car.
mike hunt
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Spike
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:08 am Post subject:
Re: Still no free lunch! |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:31:03 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Again you are referring to a jet engine, the engine in the Chrysler was NOT
a jet engine and it create not thrust. That engine is more akin to a
steamturbo, that has virtually no exhaust because the condenser creates a
vacuum over the last three larger rotors. The exhaust was no larger then one
on a large V8. If you go to cars shows you may get the chance to see one.
There are at least two still around. Try doing a search, if it is not just
you intention to argue, and you really want to know about that car.
mike hunt
No argument. Just trying to understand why you have two things called |
turbines, and both convert through gears to create propulsion (one by
rotors and one by wheels), through what appears to be nearly identical
means of creating the energy, just a difference in how it is adapted
to achieve motion. Yet, your position is that there is no resemblance.
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg |
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Bill Putney
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:12 am Post subject:
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Mike Hunter wrote:
| Quote: | Will they also design a trailer to carry all the LA batteries need to
produce enough voltage? ;)
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Mike Hunter wrote:
| Quote: | Will they also design a trailer to carry all the LA batteries need to
produce enough voltage? ;)
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Put two 9 volt transistor radio batteries in series and you have enough
*voltage* - I can carry that in my pocket. I think you mean enough
power - voltage is only half the equation. :)
Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
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