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Coyoteboy
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:
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Huw wrote:
| Quote: | It is a description of the differential, not of its end result
in traction.
Huw
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This isnt what every other source of info I've ever found on LSD's has
said, and indeed the toyota manual that states "Torque Sensing (torsen)
Limited Slip Differential", however having visited a few manufacturer
sites I can concur that non who produce non-clutch type systems call
them LSDs - they call them torque sensing traction differentials.
however we are only arguing over semantics.
J
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Philip
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:39 am Post subject:
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"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Coyoteboy wrote:
:) Agreed. I wasnt contradicting the advice, i was just pointing out
the differences.
The supra is a close relative of the celica. My GT4's (alltrac) LSD is
torsen, thats the only connection i was making.
Then you have emphatically not got a limited slip differential. What you
*have* got is a Torsen worm gear 'torque proportioning differential'. Your
use of 'LSD' to describe your differential is incorrect. There is nothing
in a Torsen that slips, even in a limited way.
Huw
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You go get him, Huw! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! |
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Philip
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:39 am Post subject:
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"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:52:54 -0000, "Huw"
hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
Coyoteboy wrote:
:) Agreed. I wasnt contradicting the advice, i was just pointing out
the differences.
The supra is a close relative of the celica. My GT4's (alltrac) LSD is
torsen, thats the only connection i was making.
Then you have emphatically not got a limited slip differential. What you
*have* got is a Torsen worm gear 'torque proportioning differential'. Your
use of 'LSD' to describe your differential is incorrect. There is nothing
in
a Torsen that slips, even in a limited way.
That's not what "limited slip" means, moron.
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Ditzy ... shut up.
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Philip
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:39 am Post subject:
Re: Supra LSD gear oil recommendation |
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"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:11:30 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:17:06 +0000, dizzy wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:47:47 -0600, "DB" <d.brook@nospamsasktel.net
wrote:
Just bought a 1984 Supra with a Limited Slip Differential. The owners
manual indicates that the gear oil should be API Service GL-5 lubricant
for
limited slip differentials. I went around to the local auto supply
shops
and none of the gear oil containers stated suitable for limited slip
differentials including the synthetic and semi-synthetic. The fellows
at
the shop didn't know what the difference would be or if it was OK to use
in
the LSD. I bought the semi-synthetic API Service GL-5 lubricant . Is
this
OK for my differential? I checked some of the oil supplier websites
(i.e.
Castrol) and there didn't appear to be a specific oil for LSD. Just
their
regular gear oils said suitable for LSD.
Do NOT use regular gear oil. Look harder for the LSD-compatible oil
that you need.
Took you a while. Where the hell you been?
Taking a break from the stupidity in here.
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Huw
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:39 am Post subject:
Re: Supra LSD gear oil recommendation |
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Coyoteboy wrote:
| Quote: | Ray O wrote:
The center differential in the All Trac Celicas that used to be sold
in the U.S. had a viscous coupling for a center differential. The
viscous coupling uses a silicone fluid that is completely different
and incompatible with normal gear oil or LSD oil.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply
I wasnt talking about the centre diff which is indeed a viscous link.
I'm talking about the rear diff, of which the limited edition and some
UK versions had torsen LSDs.
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Now look, a Torsen diff is not a LSD. Is that too much to comprehend?
A proof that this is so is that a very similar clutch pack diff arrangement
but which has a piston arrangement to clamp the discs together and
completely eliminate the slip in the clutch pack is certainly not called a
LSD. It is called a 'hydraulically actuated diff-lock'. This proves that the
term describes the diff and nothing else. I have defined the Torsen
elsewhere.
Now you may continue to call your Torsen [with a capital 't'] a LSD but that
is not a correct use of the term and just because you have used it without
challenge for a period of time will not make it so.
It is a similar mistake to calling a 'pump/injector' or 'unit/injector' fuel
system a 'common rail'. This may appear pedantic to you but the correct use
of terms is important otherwise some will soon call a 'chair' a 'table' and
before you know it confusion will reign and the Earth will be consumed by
Hellfire. Well not quite, but you get the drift I'm sure.
Huw
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Huw
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:43 am Post subject:
Re: Supra LSD gear oil recommendation |
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Coyoteboy wrote:
| Quote: | Huw wrote:
It is a description of the differential, not of its end result
in traction.
Huw
This isnt what every other source of info I've ever found on LSD's has
said, and indeed the toyota manual that states "Torque Sensing
(torsen) Limited Slip Differential",
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Then the technical illiterates an the manual writers [probably not employed
by Toyota directly] are as wrong as you.
however having visited a few
| Quote: | manufacturer sites I can concur that non who produce non-clutch type
systems call them LSDs - they call them torque sensing traction
differentials. however we are only arguing over semantics.
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The actual differential manufacturers are of course correct and agree with
me. If 'semantics' be the correct use of terms, then yes, we are arguing
over semantics. It is important in some small way.
Huw |
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Huw
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:48 am Post subject:
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Philip wrote:
| Quote: | "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3umuieF11l022U1@individual.net...
Coyoteboy wrote:
:) Agreed. I wasnt contradicting the advice, i was just pointing out
the differences.
The supra is a close relative of the celica. My GT4's (alltrac) LSD
is torsen, thats the only connection i was making.
Then you have emphatically not got a limited slip differential. What
you *have* got is a Torsen worm gear 'torque proportioning
differential'. Your use of 'LSD' to describe your differential is
incorrect. There is nothing in a Torsen that slips, even in a
limited way. Huw
You go get him, Huw! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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You know that I'm right and he is wrong, don't you Philip?
LOL
Huw |
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Ray O
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:13 am Post subject:
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"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Philip wrote:
"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3umuieF11l022U1@individual.net...
Coyoteboy wrote:
:) Agreed. I wasnt contradicting the advice, i was just pointing out
the differences.
The supra is a close relative of the celica. My GT4's (alltrac) LSD
is torsen, thats the only connection i was making.
Then you have emphatically not got a limited slip differential. What
you *have* got is a Torsen worm gear 'torque proportioning
differential'. Your use of 'LSD' to describe your differential is
incorrect. There is nothing in a Torsen that slips, even in a
limited way. Huw
You go get him, Huw! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!
You know that I'm right and he is wrong, don't you Philip?
LOL
Huw
I also know that Huw's descriptions are correct! |
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Ray O
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Ray O
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
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"Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Ray O wrote:
The center differential in the All Trac Celicas that used to be sold in
the
U.S. had a viscous coupling for a center differential. The viscous
coupling
uses a silicone fluid that is completely different and incompatible with
normal gear oil or LSD oil.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply
I wasnt talking about the centre diff which is indeed a viscous link.
I'm talking about the rear diff, of which the limited edition and some
UK versions had torsen LSDs.
J
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I was merely clarifying differential types.
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Ray O
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Philip
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:17 am Post subject:
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"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Philip wrote:
"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3umuieF11l022U1@individual.net...
Coyoteboy wrote:
:) Agreed. I wasnt contradicting the advice, i was just pointing out
the differences.
The supra is a close relative of the celica. My GT4's (alltrac) LSD
is torsen, thats the only connection i was making.
Then you have emphatically not got a limited slip differential. What
you *have* got is a Torsen worm gear 'torque proportioning
differential'. Your use of 'LSD' to describe your differential is
incorrect. There is nothing in a Torsen that slips, even in a
limited way. Huw
You go get him, Huw! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!
You know that I'm right and he is wrong, don't you Philip?
LOL
Huw
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What know is that you have not had fresh prey in awhile. LOL
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Coyoteboy
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:36 am Post subject:
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"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Is it because I use big words that you hate me? Or because I am correct?
LOL
Take it with good humour you animal you.
Huw
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The latter. I didnt see any big words in your posts, you git :-)
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Coyoteboy
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject:
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Philip wrote:
| Quote: | You go get him, Huw! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!
You know that I'm right and he is wrong, don't you Philip?
LOL
Huw
What know is that you have not had fresh prey in awhile. LOL
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Lol, anyone who can get that worked up over the *naming* of different
differentials is a little worrying :-)
J |
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Huw
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:45 pm Post subject:
Re: Supra LSD gear oil recommendation |
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Coyoteboy wrote:
| Quote: | Philip wrote:
You go get him, Huw! Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!
You know that I'm right and he is wrong, don't you Philip?
LOL
Huw
What know is that you have not had fresh prey in awhile. LOL
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- Philip
Lol, anyone who can get that worked up over the *naming* of different
differentials is a little worrying :-)
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I'm not a monster. Really I am not :-)
Huw |
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Coyoteboy
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject:
Re: Supra LSD gear oil recommendation |
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Huw wrote:
| Quote: | Coyoteboy wrote:
It is a similar mistake to calling a 'pump/injector' or 'unit/injector' fuel
system a 'common rail'. This may appear pedantic to you but the correct use
of terms is important otherwise some will soon call a 'chair' a 'table' and
before you know it confusion will reign and the Earth will be consumed by
Hellfire. Well not quite, but you get the drift I'm sure.
Huw
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Calm down Huw - we see your point, its purely because its a commonly
mistaken term (that i for one have only just found out was mistaken)
that it takes time for someone to change over. I'll get there in the
end :) However your condescending tone isnt helpful.
J |
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Huw
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Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Supra LSD gear oil recommendation |
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Coyoteboy wrote:
| Quote: | Huw wrote:
Coyoteboy wrote:
It is a similar mistake to calling a 'pump/injector' or
'unit/injector' fuel system a 'common rail'. This may appear
pedantic to you but the correct use of terms is important otherwise
some will soon call a 'chair' a 'table' and before you know it
confusion will reign and the Earth will be consumed by Hellfire.
Well not quite, but you get the drift I'm sure.
Huw
Calm down Huw - we see your point, its purely because its a commonly
mistaken term (that i for one have only just found out was mistaken)
that it takes time for someone to change over. I'll get there in the
end :) However your condescending tone isnt helpful.
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Is it because I use big words that you hate me? Or because I am correct?
LOL
Take it with good humour you animal you.
Huw |
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